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Title: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: chewie86 on May 26, 2008, 11:08:30 AM
Ok ok, I know this is a recurrent topic .. I got my AHII running on my linux machine but I was browsing the internet and I found that there is a "mac version" of cedega (the linux emulator for win games), and it's a tool for programmers too, it's called Cider. On its official site is explained that the programmers can "write" a mac version of a Win game in very few time ...  So what's my final Question?

I would only know If you, HTC, have took it under your consideration! because there are many mac-players and, by the way this year I saw many ppl switching from win to mac.. may be there are some AH2 players too between those :P  ....

Pls I'm curious to hear everyone opinion about this !  :aok

<S> 100Chewi

p.s.: sry for my awful english...  :)
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: Max on May 27, 2008, 06:24:48 AM
I recall someone once quoting Hitech who said it would be cheaper to buy every Mac user, who wanted to play AH, a PC than it would to port the code over to Mac.
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: Skuzzy on May 27, 2008, 07:03:04 AM
That is an accurate quote Max, and still very true.
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: hubsonfire on May 27, 2008, 11:20:04 AM
Sweet, you've got all of our addresses, right?  :D
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: Skuzzy on May 27, 2008, 11:39:55 AM
Calm down hubs.  He said "it would be", not "he would".
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: llama on May 27, 2008, 01:49:32 PM
Now that every new Mac is really a PC running an arguably better proprietary OS, the solution is simple: any Mac user who wants to play Windows games needs to buy and install Windows on their Mac. Your Mac *came with* Boot Camp. Use it.

I mean, really, when you bought a Mac you knew you weren't buying it as a gaming platform. Why should HiTech spend a ton of effort and money to solve a problem that already has a good solution?

And as a bonus, you get to play all the other Windows games too.

Now don't get me wrong - I love Macs. I own several. I've owned Apple products since 1983. But Apple's official solution to the "not enough games for Macs" problem is Boot Camp.

-Llama
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: chewie86 on June 04, 2008, 07:19:27 AM
Now that every new Mac is really a PC running an arguably better proprietary OS, the solution is simple: any Mac user who wants to play Windows games needs to buy and install Windows on their Mac. Your Mac *came with* Boot Camp. Use it.

I mean, really, when you bought a Mac you knew you weren't buying it as a gaming platform. Why should HiTech spend a ton of effort and money to solve a problem that already has a good solution?

And as a bonus, you get to play all the other Windows games too.

Now don't get me wrong - I love Macs. I own several. I've owned Apple products since 1983. But Apple's official solution to the "not enough games for Macs" problem is Boot Camp.

-Llama


putting a very tough machine towards viruses and other malware risks that every PC has got, then you need an antivirus which slows down everything etc ... BootCamp I know is a solution, but not a safe one... what do you think ?
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: Ghosth on June 04, 2008, 07:25:14 AM
You want to play windows games then you take the risks along with the rest of the windows world.
Pure and simple.

Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: chewie86 on June 04, 2008, 07:31:00 AM
like putting some fuel on moneys and keep them under sun during a hot summer day... no  ?   Here is why I got my AH running on linux platform.
Are you not afraid from all this 100k+ threats on the net ?
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: VonMessa on June 04, 2008, 07:43:41 AM
like putting some fuel on moneys and keep them under sun during a hot summer day... no  ?   Here is why I got my AH running on linux platform.
Are you not afraid from all this 100k+ threats on the net ?

Just learn safer porn-surfing habits.
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: Skuzzy on June 04, 2008, 08:05:21 AM
like putting some fuel on moneys and keep them under sun during a hot summer day... no  ?   Here is why I got my AH running on linux platform.
Are you not afraid from all this 100k+ threats on the net ?

I think that is a pretty paranoid attitude.  I never use anti-virus programs.  I never use anti-anything software.  Yet, my computer has never had any viruses or spyware at all.  I have been running the same installation of Windows Xp on my home computer for about 3 years without a re-installation and it still boots in under 15 seconds and runs very nicely.

Again, it would be cheaper to buy every Mac user a Windows based PC than to port and support a Mac version of the game.  There is nothing that says that will change.  If anything, it has become more true today than ever before.
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: BaldEagl on June 04, 2008, 08:57:10 AM
I think that is a pretty paranoid attitude.  I never use anti-virus programs.  I never use anti-anything software.  Yet, my computer has never had any viruses or spyware at all.  I have been running the same installation of Windows Xp on my home computer for about 3 years without a re-installation and it still boots in under 15 seconds and runs very nicely.

I can attest to this.  On my old machine I had McAfee installed.  I kept the entire suite turned off and once a month I'd update it and run scans, then shut it back down.  I never got a virus or spyware except once (adware) which I know exactly where and how I got it.  This was for almost 9 years.
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: Nilsen on June 04, 2008, 09:36:01 AM
Vulcan will be here shortly to "set you straight" on how bad OSX and mac is  :D

He really puts on a show, and its worth the ticket  :)
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: Hap on June 04, 2008, 10:15:30 AM
After the time came when I came to my senses and got rid of all the security and virus stuff, I've run with no add ons.  PC for 3 years, counting back 2 years ago.  Guess that's 5 years ago.

Anyhoo, ditched the PC and been Mac for the past 2 years.

Played AH on it too.  Worked great.
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: chewie86 on June 04, 2008, 10:37:19 AM
Just learn safer porn-surfing habits.
:huh

ROFL I dont need these kinda stuff, do you instead ?

To the others that replied in a more mature way: thank you.

I might think that most of you are very lucky, may be your ISP clean the net or so .. dont know how it works.  However I never had viruses but some malwares and dialers despite of I had an antivirus working. Once I forgot my pc turned on and connected, I went out for about the whole day and when I came back there were those threats inside hidden directories and the connection was down...

to skuzzy: can you buy me a brand new iMac?  :lol

<S>
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: Skuzzy on June 04, 2008, 11:14:19 AM
Sounds like you were using the default security settings of XP.  Those are never good to use.

You also have to stay on top of Windows updates as well.
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: 68Wooley on June 04, 2008, 11:42:16 AM

I might think that most of you are very lucky, may be your ISP clean the net or so .. dont know how it works.  However I never had viruses but some malwares and dialers despite of I had an antivirus working. Once I forgot my pc turned on and connected, I went out for about the whole day and when I came back there were those threats inside hidden directories and the connection was down...


Buy a cheap router, use NAT, and be sensible with email and websites and stay current with patches. Do all that and depending on your browser settings, the worst thing that you'll get is a bunch of low-threat tracking cookies. Even those can be blocked if you want.
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: Vulcan on June 04, 2008, 09:55:09 PM
like putting some fuel on moneys and keep them under sun during a hot summer day... no  ?   Here is why I got my AH running on linux platform.
Are you not afraid from all this 100k+ threats on the net ?

Which is the worse situation:
 - 100k+ threats with hundreds if not thousands of tools to deal with them
 - <100 threats with no tools to deal with them

and answer this, which OS is hacked and defaced more?  (www.zone-h.org for a clue)
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: Reschke on June 05, 2008, 08:58:26 AM
I can't imagine that there are no threats at all to an Apple OS. Maybe it is only because there are so few real every day, home apple users other than graphics designers and people who try fooling themselves due to the commercials on television.
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: Hap on June 05, 2008, 09:01:56 AM
Of course you're right.  There's 5 Apples in the world owned by Moms and Pops.

I'm one of them.

Wonder who has the other 4?
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 05, 2008, 10:45:57 AM
Of course you're right.  There's 5 Apples in the world owned by Moms and Pops.

I'm one of them.

Wonder who has the other 4?

I have one
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: 68Wooley on June 05, 2008, 12:47:54 PM
Sure there are threats to Macs out there, and Linux, being the most popular platform for hosting web servers, gets attacked all the time.

But here's the thing, as a desktop platform, Linux, Mac and any other form of UNIX takes the fundamental view that unless you are specifically granted permission to do something, you can't do it. Windows has traditionally worked the other way - unless you are specifically prevented form doing something, you can do it. This makes Windows an easier platform to attack than Mac or Linux.

Mac and Linux are certainly not impervious and Mac users in particular would be well advised to keep an eye on the situation as the OS gains popularity (and thus a bigger target for script kiddies).

Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 05, 2008, 01:54:26 PM
Mac is in fact full of holes like a Swiss cheese - they're just getting discovered now that it's getting more popular.
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: Vulcan on June 05, 2008, 04:05:31 PM
Yup, leopard was pretty bad for holes.

There have been plenty of privilege escalation exploits revealed for OS X. So MrRipley while the methodology for security is nicer on OS X and *nix the execution has been perfect. If we look at the number attacks in our IPS engines (Sonicwall, Juniper, McAfee, etc) the signatures for *nix OS attacks are staggering.
Title: Re: umpteenth time.. (Mac Version)
Post by: llama on June 05, 2008, 06:30:52 PM

putting a very tough machine towards viruses and other malware risks that every PC has got, then you need an antivirus which slows down everything etc ... BootCamp I know is a solution, but not a safe one... what do you think ?

As others have said, this just isn't true on two counts.

First, my main gaming and work machine at home has exactly NO antivirus software on it. It hasn't for 4 years. And this is coming to you from someone who reviews AV and security software for a living, so I get all the good stuff for free. I periodically ghost my system, install the latest and greatest security software, let it do a full scan, determine that the system is still clean, and then Ghost it back to a point when it didn't have any security software installed just to be thorough, since I actively collect viruses for the purposes of testing.

IF you only use your Windows computer for gaming - that is, you don't web surf and you don't check your email,  and you keep it up to date with patches, AND if you use a DSL Router/Firewall, your gaming machine will almost certainly remain Virus and malware free.  If you have a Mac, use MacOS for all your internet stuff. Just play games in Windows, AND THAT'S IT.

Alernatively, you can install AV software that is light on resources, such as Eset NOD32. It increased the boot time in my test machine by just two seconds, and had no effect on Aces High framerates. NONE.

In short, there are plenty of ways to have safe gaming in Windows. Making ridiculous statements about safe computing that have no basis in fact doesn't help anyone.

-Llama