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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Yenny on May 26, 2008, 09:51:38 PM
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hey gentlemen,
A lot of people have asked me how to BnZ. I originally recorded this film with the intend to show my squaddies how to BnZ. Since so many people like to find out how it's done from my view, I'd though it would be helpful to post it in this forum. The film is about an hour long, haven't edit it. 23 or so kills, 1 rearm. Hopefully this helps for those other pilot that try to BnZ.
http://files.filefront.com/BnZ+23ahf/;10367557;/fileinfo.html
Yenny
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cherry picks and vulches included? :D
or not lol
nice film wtg
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hey gentlemen,
A lot of people have asked me how to BnZ. I originally recorded this film with the intend to show my squaddies how to BnZ. Since so many people like to find out how it's done from my view, I'd though it would be helpful to post it in this forum. The film is about an hour long, haven't edit it. 23 or so kills, 1 rearm. Hopefully this helps for those other pilot that try to BnZ.
http://files.filefront.com/BnZ+23ahf/;10367557;/fileinfo.html
Yenny
oooo god!!!!!
now we're gonna have an influx of alt monkeys to go with the rammin hotards now? :confused:
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is it worth watching? CAP1?
to go from 20 hrs or so flying in Fighter Mode up to 221+ hours a month flying in Fighter mode really tells me alot to be honest...
I guess I will download it tomorrow after work and see if there is anything to comment on, in the film
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is it worth watching? CAP1?
to go from 20 hrs or so flying in Fighter Mode up to 221+ hours a month flying in Fighter mode really tells me alot to be honest...
you mean me>?
i haven't got 20 hours yet this month. i used to do somewhere around 20-30 hours a month, but since i got my own shop, i haven't had the time now.
besides the fact that i've always just liked to get into the fight, now i like that more than ever with my limited time on the game.
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no not you, the film that is posted in the link, I looked at his stats to see how long he has been flying...and notice such a huge jump in playing time 20+ hrs to 221+ hours in just a few+ months..........you know when the bug really bites its teeth and sinks in to you and you become infected with Aces High....so you play 24/7 :O :O
do not mean to sound harsh toward your film Yenny............I have been out of the arenas a good bit lately and am seeing a whole bunch of new names/players who apparently have taken after the muppets logo, and received "all das skillz" ;)
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no not you, the film that is posted in the link, I looked at his stats to see how long he has been flying...and notice such a huge jump in playing time 20+ hrs to 221+ hours in just a few+ months..........you know when the bug really bites its teeth and sinks in to you and you become infected with Aces High....so you play 24/7 :O :O
do not mean to sound harsh toward your film Yenny............I have been out of the arenas a good bit lately and am seeing a whole bunch of new names/players who apparently have taken after the muppets logo, and received "all das skillz" ;)
aaahhh......
well, i didn't even click on the link. if it's all bnz, un-edited, then it's probably gonna be more exciting to watch thre slow races at a harley meet :D
i do however almost always d/l films of actual fights, and try to learn from them.
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not worth watching if bnz bores you to death but if you wanna learn it's kind of instructional.
one thing i noticed though is that just about the only knights you hear talking and calling out information in this whole film are yenny and a squadie of his i think. we should all run our mouths that much :d lol (not that that's a bad thing it does help other's SA) at some point in playing though i get kind of agravated when the fith person has told me i have a guy on me im draggin but its all good better to have 20 check sixes for one guy on your tail than none for 20 guys on your tail.
no dis5 yen at one point he was wondering if his mike was working right!!!!
must have been very late at night because ive heard more chatter at a funeral.
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It has its up and down time. Taking off and getting to the fight, rtb etc=). The bulk of it is bnz, I do just want to point out that it's not meant to be fast pace, because it was real time in the game w/o editting. You will have to hit the fast foward button a fews time to get to the fight area. Only thing that's a little interesting would be at 11:30 min mark where I force an over shot, other then that it's mainly for instructional and demonstration purpose. I made about 40 passes and down about 23 planes and 10 assists, just a normal run.
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It has its up and down time. Taking off and getting to the fight, rtb etc=). The bulk of it is bnz, I do just want to point out that it's not meant to be fast pace, because it was real time in the game w/o editting. You will have to hit the fast foward button a fews time to get to the fight area. Only thing that's a little interesting would be at 11:30 min mark where I force an over shot, other then that it's mainly for instructional and demonstration purpose. I made about 40 passes and down about 23 planes and 10 assists, just a normal run.
i really can't do much more than just shake my head.....
the few occasions i fly buffs it's kinda hard fighting off the boredom. i cannot even begin to imagine it in a fighter, flying for an hour, and no fight. flying for an hor, droping into a furball, nail a con that's involved with another bogie, climb back up and think to myself ""dam i'm good!!" fly for another hour while i wait for the guy chasing me to run low on fuel and leave me alone because i can't bnz him. rearm, rinse and repeat :( :rolleyes:
i know each of us has his or her own idea of what's fun, but if this is all that's fun, then you could save your 15 a month, and do this to the drones. :D heck, i think i'd rathr run into a bunch of gangtards, as at least THEY fight.
gotta go before i puke on the monitor
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Now now, cease fire on flaming. This thread is not for measuring E-peen, it's to use as a tool for some people that are trying to learn BnZ. The reason I post these films is to help out those that willing to search for and help themselves.
When I first started the game, about 5 months ago no one really help. In fact I remember asking for help with turn fighting on the forum and one of the reply I got was, "Why don't you go learn that for yourself." I was willing to learn, but I couldn't find the help. As a new guy, I was okay with getting shot down 10-20x in an hour, but it wasn't cool to look up to some of the high speed guy for some advice to get smack in the face and be told you suck. The first 3 months in the game I spent maybe 15-20 hours a month in the game because I was bored of getting airborne and die right away. I spent tons of time reading the help forum, and all the help site. Literature can only do so much, it can paint a picture of how things are done. It doesn't replace visual aid or a conversation with someone that knows it.
Fortunately I stick to the game, eventually I linked up with Widewing and had him help me out with stall fighting. I played AW for 3-4 years prior to AH so I had a good understanding of ACM, but I just couldn't figure how the planes were programs, how the gunnery work, how the models were etc. I just had to readjust to that. After a good 4 hours practicing and learning what Widewing taught me, I was able to use it effectively against other players. It was a significant step because it allowed me to able to see what I was doing wrong when I duel with other players. I got spanked by Messiah1 a buncha time to his k4 hax reversal, but eventually I think I figured out how to break that maneuver. I was able to do all that after a 4 hours sessions learning with Widewing. Without his help, I don't think I'd last long enough against other good players, to actually see what I was doing wrong.
To recap, this thread is intended to help other players that are searching how to BnZ. If it does not suit your flying style, then please try to hold your flame back at the door.
Yenny
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i really can't do much more than just shake my head.....
the few occasions i fly buffs it's kinda hard fighting off the boredom. i cannot even begin to imagine it in a fighter, flying for an hour, and no fight. flying for an hor, droping into a furball, nail a con that's involved with another bogie, climb back up and think to myself ""dam i'm good!!" fly for another hour while i wait for the guy chasing me to run low on fuel and leave me alone because i can't bnz him. rearm, rinse and repeat :( :rolleyes:
i know each of us has his or her own idea of what's fun, but if this is all that's fun, then you could save your 15 a month, and do this to the drones. :D heck, i think i'd rathr run into a bunch of gangtards, as at least THEY fight.
gotta go before i puke on the monitor
Truthfully I think you are out of line. Just because he doesn't fly the way you think he should is no reason to flame him. He is trying to help those that have asked for pointers. This is the help and training section of the bbs, after all he is trying to help. You are doing what now? Next time maybe you should ask yourself. How am I contributing to this community, what can I do to teach people to be better at what ever it is they enjoy doing in this game? Just because you can post doesn't always mean you should.
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I got spanked by Messiah1 a buncha time to his k4 hax reversal, but eventually I think I figured out how to break that maneuver.
Yenny
Lol, the only thing you have figured out is how to delay your imminent death!
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Truthfully I think you are out of line. Just because he doesn't fly the way you think he should is no reason to flame him. He is trying to help those that have asked for pointers. This is the help and training section of the bbs, after all he is trying to help. You are doing what now? Next time maybe you should ask yourself. How am I contributing to this community, what can I do to teach people to be better at what ever it is they enjoy doing in this game? Just because you can post doesn't always mean you should.
yaknow...i have to give ya that one, and maybe an apology is in order. i just get sick of being picked all the time, then when i get to a co-alt position, the guy runs. i've tried bnz, rather unsucessfully..and like i said itbored me. i've hung around above the furballs, and cherry picked the cherry pickers. i've bombed, pretty much done and still do a bit of everything. if the bnz'rs continued the battle when they lost their advantage, then it would';t be so bad. one of the times i'mreferencing, was a ponyB V a p38J. i think that woould have actually been a good matchup.
as far as contributing, i offer advice whenever i can, whereever i can....look in other threads here. i'm all too happy to offer help from my limited experience, ESPECIALLY if it's going tohelp me find a good fun fight.
anyway, i do apologize if anyone took insult to my previous post.
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Now now, cease fire on flaming. This thread is not for measuring E-peen, it's to use as a tool for some people that are trying to learn BnZ. The reason I post these films is to help out those that willing to search for and help themselves.
When I first started the game, about 5 months ago no one really help. In fact I remember asking for help with turn fighting on the forum and one of the reply I got was, "Why don't you go learn that for yourself." I was willing to learn, but I couldn't find the help. As a new guy, I was okay with getting shot down 10-20x in an hour, but it wasn't cool to look up to some of the high speed guy for some advice to get smack in the face and be told you suck. The first 3 months in the game I spent maybe 15-20 hours a month in the game because I was bored of getting airborne and die right away. I spent tons of time reading the help forum, and all the help site. Literature can only do so much, it can paint a picture of how things are done. It doesn't replace visual aid or a conversation with someone that knows it.
Fortunately I stick to the game, eventually I linked up with Widewing and had him help me out with stall fighting. I played AW for 3-4 years prior to AH so I had a good understanding of ACM, but I just couldn't figure how the planes were programs, how the gunnery work, how the models were etc. I just had to readjust to that. After a good 4 hours practicing and learning what Widewing taught me, I was able to use it effectively against other players. It was a significant step because it allowed me to able to see what I was doing wrong when I duel with other players. I got spanked by Messiah1 a buncha time to his k4 hax reversal, but eventually I think I figured out how to break that maneuver. I was able to do all that after a 4 hours sessions learning with Widewing. Without his help, I don't think I'd last long enough against other good players, to actually see what I was doing wrong.
To recap, this thread is intended to help other players that are searching how to BnZ. If it does not suit your flying style, then please try to hold your flame back at the door.
Yenny
ok...based on the next post down, i do apologize.
i do find it hard though to believe that you couldn't find help? i've never been refused when io've asked. i go to the TA, or DA, and find someone willing. helll...i suck, but if someone asks me i still will offer whatever i can.......
anyway...sorry dude
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I haven't watched the film and won't but I'll just say this; While there is a place for BnZ tactics in the game if that's all anyone ever did I would have left years ago out of boredom.
For those that want this to be a learning experience, go ahead and learn from it what you can but don't do so at the expense of learning acm. It's much more rewarding winning a hard fought battle against someone of equal skill than it is landing your ten easy picks. I still remember fights from 12 years ago. I don't remember a pick from yesterday.
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I haven't watched the film and won't but I'll just say this; While there is a place for BnZ tactics in the game if that's all anyone ever did I would have left years ago out of boredom.
For those that want this to be a learning experience, go ahead and learn from it what you can but don't do so at the expense of learning acm. It's much more rewarding winning a hard fought battle against someone of equal skill than it is landing your ten easy picks. I still remember fights from 12 years ago. I don't remember a pick from yesterday.
i think you just said what i was trying to. you though, did it much more eloquently :aok
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Cheers yenny, I will be watching with great interest. I want to stop your name popping up before "shot you down" :D
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If you think about it, BnZing is almost like art. Everything has to be done right, to make somthing out of it. Of course there are m diffrent styles of picking, and I like Yenny's way of doing things. My way though, is a diffrent style of picking. When you watch my vid, you see that I do not look for the straight shot, I anticipate where that plane is going to break, and I pull a slight break with them, giving me that one, canopy shot that sends him to the tower.
My way works realy well at about 5K because you do not get as fast as if you were 10K.
Here is my D9 vid of me picking (and vulching at the end):
http://www.mediafire.com/?cwxz06uxcwt
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Flying pilot wounded and shooting vulchers down blacked out is a lot more fun than flying a formula!
http://www.ziddu.com/download.php?uid=YqqZnJ2mZrCampzzY6qZnJGlZ6eZl5utZA%3D%3D1
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Thought I'd point out Yenny doesnt just BnZ - a squaddie and I had some major fun with him and Rogent fighting it out low and slow - Yenny kept sending me home spanked lol..... :D
Was fun tho, and that, to me, is what makes this game so enjoyable - plus I learn something every time I go up (and down obviously)....
<S> Yenny,
Wurzel
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That wasn't just "go learn yourself", it meant "make an effort, like all of us 190 tnb jocks did". Because you didn't seem to be making an effort in the game.. Not as far as trying to get your hands dirty in knife fights with 1:1 odds anyway.
You were good enough to have the basic dogfighting acm down pat, but you were asking to be shown the ropes to get better still.. I'm not going to help out someone who will use that improvement in skills to do nothing but pick and avoid real fights.
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Now calm down m00t, you basically do the same thing as I do when it comes a long to picking and not wanting to die. We all know in fighter mode we both try not to die, where in attack mode it's okay to die. We can judge this by looking at our scores. The majority of people do this, when they r in fighter mode they are a bit more timid. I've catch you running a few time, and that was you're probably in fighter mode.
Only different is the majority of my time spent 80% + is contributed to fighter mode, compare to your 20% of time in fighter mode. I mean all you really do is wait til the area is ripe, get in your uber bnz plane and bnz for that 20% to bank your "ranking". That's fine, however you play suits you.
The majority of my time flying the game I spent it with my squaddie. I enjoy this aspect of the game more then the air combat itself. I enjoy working together to take over bases, because it's something that involve teamwork within a squad. You guys shouldn't judge people playing the game the way they want. I mean it's fine to be like sunfan to take an f4ud fly into a big horde of 20 people mission on an air field solo, and try to get a few kills before he get shot down. However, the problem is crying about it. If you're gunna try to solo flight into a group of 20 planes expect to be shot down if you're low and slow. It's cool that army of muppets prefer the combat side of the game, but take in consideration of other people that enjoy the game differently. There are a lot of guys who just like buffing, probably because they can't get their frame rate pass 15 to play fighter.
Just because it's pixel plane doesn't mean one should treat it like one and suicide, ram etc. It takes the fun out of the game when people doesn't care about bringing the plane back home, it opens avenues for careless play such as ramming, bailing their buffs after dropping its eggs etc. Realistically a lot of thing can't be accurate, such as yanking 7G and turn your head around to check your six. There are certain aspect of flight that just can't be capture by a simulation. AH does a pretty good job at promoting teamwork and giving each country a piece of turf to defend. That's what I like about AH. There are a lot of games out there that have more realistic game play such as IL2s, etc, but it doesn't have as much of the teamwork and the countrymen mentality that AH has.
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Now calm down m00t, you basically do the same thing as I do when it comes a long to picking and not wanting to die. We all know in fighter mode we both try not to die, where in attack mode it's okay to die. We can judge this by looking at our scores. The majority of people do this, when they r in fighter mode they are a bit more timid. I've catch you running a few time, and that was you're probably in fighter mode.
Only different is the majority of my time spent 80% + is contributed to fighter mode, compare to your 20% of time in fighter mode. I mean all you really do is wait til the area is ripe, get in your uber bnz plane and bnz for that 20% to bank your "ranking". That's fine, however you play suits you.
The majority of my time flying the game I spent it with my squaddie. I enjoy this aspect of the game more then the air combat itself. I enjoy working together to take over bases, because it's something that involve teamwork within a squad. You guys shouldn't judge people playing the game the way they want. I mean it's fine to be like sunfan to take an f4ud fly into a big horde of 20 people mission on an air field solo, and try to get a few kills before he get shot down. However, the problem is crying about it. If you're gunna try to solo flight into a group of 20 planes expect to be shot down if you're low and slow. It's cool that army of muppets prefer the combat side of the game, but take in consideration of other people that enjoy the game differently. There are a lot of guys who just like buffing, probably because they can't get their frame rate pass 15 to play fighter.
Just because it's pixel plane doesn't mean one should treat it like one and suicide, ram etc. It takes the fun out of the game when people doesn't care about bringing the plane back home, it opens avenues for careless play such as ramming, bailing their buffs after dropping its eggs etc. Realistically a lot of thing can't be accurate, such as yanking 7G and turn your head around to check your six. There are certain aspect of flight that just can't be capture by a simulation. AH does a pretty good job at promoting teamwork and giving each country a piece of turf to defend. That's what I like about AH. There are a lot of games out there that have more realistic game play such as IL2s, etc, but it doesn't have as much of the teamwork and the countrymen mentality that AH has.
Yenny you are so wrong on so many levels, im privlaged to have m00t as a squaddie and a friend, and I have never ever seen him refuse or turn down a fight even when outnumbered. Like last night i was flying with him me in my 109 him his 152 and we fought the horde from bellow constantly avoiding bnzs hoes etc. Ill post film if you wish. !52 is hardly uber the plane has more twitches than anything. M00ts got skill and you can learn alot from him as i have.
just change your attitude
ps im always in fighter mode
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m00t = good fight everytime! <S>
yenny = all BnZ, nothing to back it up when he loses his initial advantages. at least from the times i remember killing him.
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Again perspective, maybe you haven't been picked by moot as often since you guys usually are on the same side. I usually fly D9, if you can force me in a tnb yea, I'll give ya fight. Other then that I'll stay fast. I have no problem getting down and dirty in D9, I've done it many times, but only when I have to. As for moot running from me when I take my LA-7 up hunting down pickers, you bet it had happen.
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I flew against him plenty in a privately arranged group duel in the special events arena.
I don't think he was BnZing at all in the 109s and I know for sure that he wasn't BnZ in the TA152 which blew my mind. I struggled to turn and roll with him in a 38.
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I think the point folks are trying to make Yenny, and I was saying it to you the other night in the MA, is that for many of us there is a greater challenge of trying to get the absolute most out of our bird of choice, instead of just flying it the way that is 'safest'.
That night the only time you 'engaged' was while I was turning with someone else. You blew in from up high in the D9, picked, and blew back up high and never took a chance. I'd have been frustrated if I was the guy on your side that was actually fighting the guy you picked.
Your comment was, "I'll come back in a Spit'.
That misses the point and in my mind points to a bigger concern with 'living' in a world where we don't really die. If you love the D9, then get the absolute most out of the D9. Find the edge you can ride in it. Fight in it down low and see what happens. Test your own abilities instead of just staying 'safe' in the one way you feel comfortable in.
That's the beauty of this being a game. The only risk we take is that our cartoon airplane might get powdered now and then. We won't die though, so it's hard for many of us to understand not taking the risk, because thats where the challenge is and the reward.
I think what you also miss, is that most of us 'furball' type flyers, can also fly 'safe'. In a Scenario where 1 life matters, you bet I'll fly different, and I promise you that the time spent 'furballing' and testing the limits of my 'plane' and myself, sure pays off when that 'life' does matter.
But it's your dime, and you have to have fun however you choose.
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But anywho, let's lay off on the flames. I still want this thread to be informational for other BnZers. It's kinda not fair for some to knows and some not to knows=)
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Thread should be named " How to pick" or "How to steal kills"
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I don't think he was BnZing at all in the 109s and I know for sure that he wasn't BnZ in the TA152 which blew my mind. I struggled to turn and roll with him in a 38.
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But anywho, let's lay off on the flames. I still want this thread to be informational for other BnZers. It's kinda not fair for some to knows and some not to knows=)
Perhaps you would edit it down to just the times when you used your clear energy and speed advantage to BnZ an unengaged off the runway opponent. Not just post a I played it safe and look at how big my name in lights was that time film. TY!
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Yeah, ask him to fight you in it. I'm pretty sure I can guess how long the fight will last :D
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Perhaps you would edit it down to just the times when you used your clear energy and speed advantage to BnZ an unengaged off the runway opponent. Not just post a I played it safe and look at how big my name in lights was that time film. TY!
I dont think you seen the film. I never vulch anyone up the runway, it was 6 knight vs 20+ rook and and 4-5 biship in there too.
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No I'm not going to waste that much space on my HD for BnZ lessons, easy energy state difference attack to learn; a simple 1 minute film is all thats needed really.
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Then chill, this is for those that like to learn the bnz. You guys are obviously just here for flamage.
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Maybe, but I think we're also looking out to keep the Help and Training forum informative and not just a place to post up 12+ kill sorites. I think most of us saw your ego sticking way out there on this one :aok
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Nah, when I started the game I couldn't find a film on how to BnZ. Just doing what I can to help the community. I have given a lot of people rides on how to BnZ, but they can't see when I fire etc, when they are on the passenger seat, and that's where the film comes in. I don't give a crap for ego, I know i'd get flame for posting this film. But i dear hope to god i'd get 50 more good bnzmer out there.
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Listen, BnZing is an important facet of this game and it takes a certain art to perfect, like Yenny has. If people had more SA, they could easily avoid the BnZ, attempt a reversal, or even try getting co-alt to fight him better. Don't blame Yenny for being good at what he does. Easily the best Dora pilot in this game, bar none.
I hate getting picked as much as the next person, but I'm always trying to better myself by keeping a more watchful lookout for BnZers and get up to their alt.
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Now calm down m00t
wth? I typed that at normal heart rate and blood pressure, and calling it like I see it.. I think it's you and your non-fighting buddies that are deficient in alternative perspectives. That's all.
And Yenny isn't the best D9 pilot in the game.. You have to be pretty green to believe that. That's not flaming, it's just the truth. It's pertinent here because Yenny doesn't have knife fighting in the D9 "to perfection", nowhere near it.. Just yesterday I ran into D9s that I expected were Yenny during the fight.. I was thinking he had finaly broken through and gotten the hang of hard tnb, but it wasn't him. There were actualy two or three different sticks who had me thinking that. It doesn't really matter who they are.. What matters is that people see these films and have the context right - that there's more to dogfighting than the high-speed half of the (bell) curve in speeds of all the different ways to dogfight in a D9.
If you really want to see what a 190 looks like near mastery.. You could look up NathBDP films. That's what people ought to look at as "near perfection".
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wth? I typed that at normal heart rate and blood pressure, and calling it like I see it.. I think it's you and your non-fighting buddies that are deficient in alternative perspectives. That's all.
what you muppets can bnz and everyone else can't? get over it
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Listen, BnZing is an important facet of this game and it takes a certain art to perfect, like Yenny has. If people had more SA, they could easily avoid the BnZ, attempt a reversal, or even try getting co-alt to fight him better. Don't blame Yenny for being good at what he does. Easily the best Dora pilot in this game, bar none.
Not trying to be disrespectfuel, but no, he isnt.
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And Yenny isn't the best D9 pilot in the game.. You have to be pretty green to believe that.
Yeah, you're right. Next you'll tell me about this pilot who is absolute genius in a D9, never lands kills, but who you can swear is the best in the game because you've seen the unbelievable ACMs he pulls off.
Give me a break.
*EDIT** How about I revise my position of Yenny being ONE OF THE BEST D9 pilots in the game. Happy?
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what you muppets can bnz and everyone else can't? get over it
You are so lost in your own ego, the action in the first 5 mins of anyone of my sorties is more action than happens in one of your hour+ sorties, but appearntly you think good sticks get good because they can bnz :lol
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what you muppets can bnz and everyone else can't? get over it
Now that's ego! I struck a nerve :P Sorry, just calling it like it is, no flaming.
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Yeah, you're right. Next you'll tell me about this pilot who is absolute genius in a D9, never lands kills, but who you can swear is the best in the game because you've seen the unbelievable ACMs he pulls off.
Made up fudge. But like I said, look up NathBDP 190 films.. Compare and contrast..
*EDIT** How about I revise my position of Yenny being ONE OF THE BEST D9 pilots in the game. Happy?
That's accurate... More accurate might be to say he's one of the best high speed acm D9 sticks..
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Nah like I said, it's for informational purposes =) to teach young BnZmer how to BnZ. I really want to see more effective BnZmers out there. Sad to see 190s landing with 2-3 kills. As for ego O.o? who am i really, I just play the game 4 months + ago, I know im way behind the time curve. I have nothing to gain by showing people how to BnZ except gettin flame for it because the "older experience" pilots doesnt wanna see it. Which I think it's not fair to with hold information about the game, from others that are seeking for it. Make them work for it, but give them a lil nud into the right direction.
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We can judge this by looking at our scores. The majority of people do this, when they r in fighter mode they are a bit more timid. I've catch you running a few time, and that was you're probably in fighter mode.
Only different is the majority of my time spent 80% + is contributed to fighter mode, compare to your 20% of time in fighter mode. I mean all you really do is wait til the area is ripe, get in your uber bnz plane and bnz for that 20% to bank your "ranking". That's fine, however you play suits you.
What? Not even gonna touch this one.. :lol Best of luck teaching others BnZ.
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p.s. The whole point that flew over your head in most of the above posts is that doing nothing but BnZ and stalling the fight until the enemy is as close to 0% threat as possible is not "the right direction". That's as shallow a "victory" as you could have, whether it's done in whatever score mode, or whether your squaddies are there too, salivating over the prospect that one measly con is about to be completely drained of E and incapable of putting up a fight - cue commitment from the "best of the D9 sticks".
Maybe I'm just jaded.
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I don't see any ego emanating from Yenny's posts at all. He is simply showing his BnZ films in the Training forum. Also, if you've actually talked to him in the game, you'll see he doesn't give off a sense of superiority and big headedness (not a word I know) when he gets and lands kills.
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Well, he's the first one to mention ego.. I was pointing out what ought to be obvious, he immediately makes it about "ego", "the muppets", "score", etc, when all I said what that emphasizing only BnZ and saying Yenny is the best D9 stick are both inaccurate and not what new players ought to take as the truth.
It doesn't matter if I've gotten one impression of him or another in the game.. That too has nothing to do with what I posted here. What matters is that new players show up here, see this, and come away thinking doing nothing but timid BnZ is all the game has to offer, or all it's about. That's skewed perspective and not going to make the game much better.. Most crappy(how many PC rules do I break using this word? - just calling it like it is)/new players are already far into the BnZ habits and showing them more timid flying as examplary isn't "good".
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I look at it the ohter way, I show them how to survive longer first. THen TnB skill will come. Peeps will get tired of just dying and leave, it's better off to see them making it through the first few months surviving imo.
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They're both the same thing. Both TnB and BnZ are geometry & timing at different speeds.
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Yes and No. I do think that by having new players surviving longer, they will have more confident and stay with our community. My squad, we recruit all the new guys and show them the rope. Either as bomber, as fighter, GV etc.. I believe in helping out the new guys, making them feel welcome to the game, and stay at it. That just me though.
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Suriving longer thanks to a proper control of ACM, aka geometry and timing, whether BnZ or TnB. There's no ambiguity there.
If welcoming new guys and turning them into non-fighting sticks like gavagai and syrax are your idea of positive additions to the game... Let's just say Fw190s' reputation isn't about to improve.
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Nah objective is to make them learn how to survive, then work on tnb. ACM comes over time, not right away.
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The best way to survive is to kill. ACM does come pretty much right away, it's as simple as seeing a diagram of it. It's perfecting the execution that takes time, and that happens with practice. There's no substitute.
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^^ that's what happen at the end of WWII when german had no more aces. Them new pilot just get slaughter. Good thing they dont get slaughter in AH but, they do lose that will to play after getting shot down 50x in a few hours. I know I did for a bit, took a few break etc.
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The best way to survive is to kill. ACM does come pretty much right away, it's as simple as seeing a diagram of it. It's perfecting the execution that takes time, and that happens with practice. There's no substitute.
M00t is correct if a new guy is taught to only bnz then he will be stuck with that reaction and method its a bad habbit and it makes it even harder to aquire good acm skill later. Bnz is a shortcut imo no way you can actually fight through bnz.
I wish I woulda been trained in acm off the bat but i devolped bad tendencies that were really hard to work out of later on and only because I had 2 very qualified trainers did I get over them.
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I had to learn it the hard way I guess. When I was new I got shot down a buncha times. I got discourage and quit a few x. I came back rethink what I did wrong, and starting to BnZ. From BnZ I learn how to tnb, not as good as ya 6 years + ace but I can handle my own with TnB. It's working progress though. That's why I am a big fan of BnZ first then TnB after.
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The best way to survive is to kill. ACM does come pretty much right away, it's as simple as seeing a diagram of it. It's perfecting the execution that takes time, and that happens with practice. There's no substitute.
Truth.
The rest of this thread makes me laugh. Yenny has no clue what BnZ truly is.
I should post the film where he has 5 castrati following me to try to get an easy pick on me then I hand his bellybutton to him without ever giving one of his lackeys a shot.
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Truth.
The rest of this thread makes me laugh. Yenny has no clue what BnZ truly is.
I should post the film where he has 5 castrati following me to try to get an easy pick on me then I hand his bellybutton to him without ever giving one of his lackeys a shot.
^^ cause I disengage for about 5 min just lookin at them chasing ya? then you come and HO me?
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You think you died to a ho? <snicker>
I need to find it I guess. The commentary on it is great too.
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You think you died to a ho? <snicker>
I need to find it I guess. The commentary on it is great too.
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NOpe, but do post your film. You can see me hang back out about 4k form ya just watchin the fight.
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I see your Yenny and raise you one WarlockL...
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I see your Yenny and raise you one WarlockL...
<zing!>
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i really can't do much more than just shake my head.....
the few occasions i fly buffs it's kinda hard fighting off the boredom. i cannot even begin to imagine it in a fighter, flying for an hour, and no fight. flying for an hor, droping into a furball, nail a con that's involved with another bogie, climb back up and think to myself ""dam i'm good!!" fly for another hour while i wait for the guy chasing me to run low on fuel and leave me alone because i can't bnz him. rearm, rinse and repeat :( :rolleyes:
i know each of us has his or her own idea of what's fun, but if this is all that's fun, then you could save your 15 a month, and do this to the drones. :D heck, i think i'd rathr run into a bunch of gangtards, as at least THEY fight.
gotta go before i puke on the monitor
The funny thing is, this is the best post of the thread because of the truth involved. <<S>> CAP1, my feelings duplicate this.
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I see your Yenny and raise you one WarlockL...
I summon CMUSTARD and use SQUEAKER SCREECH LVL 9.
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I summon CMUSTARD and use SQUEAKER SCREECH LVL 9.
OMG that's OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!
donkey
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It's kinda sad that a thread with its intended to help out new bnzmer turns into a flame thread. I don't give a flying crap that you guys like or dislike bnz, I know the majority of you guys don't. However, there are others out there that want to get better at it. I know you guys hate getting picks etc but get over it, it's part of the game. To flame on my thread because you don't like the idea of other new players BnZ is a little bit low.
I think it's unfair for people like moot that have mastered BnZ, to kept that to himself and discourage other players to use the technique while one can use it for themselves. I want to show new players their option, other then just tnb. If you don't like it you can start a thread about how yenny suck, I don't care. I just wanna help the new folks that getting slaughter left and right. Think about what you guys are doing, you're not really contributing to the community.
Yenny
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Think about what you guys are doing, you're not really contributing to the community.
Yenny
And you are?
donkey
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Yenny, it's fine to do this, except painting it as a benefit to the community.. I say this cause I've seen you and Syrax and Gavagai fly your 190s very much like you're avoiding any real combat. You push the "BnZ" to all but anti-gameplay. When you saw me "run", it wasn't from a fight, it was from what I knew would be a waste of time. Like your friend Syrax said: "You're so stupid, m00t, what did you expect flying into a 2:1 [actualy, chasing his lone 190 on my own for sectors]?"
Well, all he needed to add to that, to make that question complete was " [...] a fight?". No, I don't expect "a fight" from him or Gavagai, based on every single time I've seen them in the game, and I don't expect they "contribute to the community" flying like they do. Especialy not if the guys you say you take in and tutor are taught the same things..
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I don't run often moot, when i do it's usually on fuel and wanting to land my kills. I do tell my guys if it's a gangfest then don't go in, if you are in then expect to get gangbang. I also tell them it's not wrong to run if you're facing 1 vs 10. But it's also okay to die trying to kill a c47 on the deck that has troop. it's all situation dependent.
To my knowledge the majority of the AH community are new players, 1 months to 1 years? The old school are the minority of the AH population? That's what I think anyway. I don't have the data, but I'm just guessing base on the new players I see. I can't tell because i'm only here for maybe 5 months. So I can't back up these data. So when I say "community" i'm addressing the new folks more then the old school players since to me, the old school are the minority of this group.
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And you are?
donkey
yes, donkey. There are more to air combat then just on the deck going in circle and such, at least real air combat any who.
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yes, donkey. There are more to air combat then just on the deck going in circle and such, at least real air combat any who.
I'm still scratching my head wondering why you think that us that actually fight only go around in circles... If I did that in my 38 all day long I'd be dead in 15 seconds.
So please, get that out of your head.
donkey
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I'm still scratching my head wondering why you think that us that actually fight only go around in circles... If I did that in my 38 all day long I'd be dead in 15 seconds.
So please, get that out of your head.
donkey
On the deck though am I right? most air combats in WWII were above 10k, and same with korea and vietnam era.
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This is really quite sad... all this flaming... why... because your opinion differs....people really shouldn't knock. I'm pretty sure all have done this at one time or other....the only thing which could change this may be the wording perhaps ....grammer police ....or is all the anamosity due to the fact you get nailed by this style. why can't we take it for what it is and learn from it, those who want to try it, do...
Peace , love , and understanding man, Yeah :cool:
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Moot are you sure you have Gavagai in the right grouping here ? he is primarily a 109 driver. Not nosing into the discussion just didn't want him lumped into anything squaddie and all :salute
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Yep, saw him myself. He might've been flying a 51D in the anecdote above.. From what I've seen, him and Syrax are litteraly opposite the good sportsmanship and courage (if we can call it that) of everyone else in JG11..
"I'm pretty sure all have done this at one time or other." The problem is doing it every single time..
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I watched the film and thought it was quite good. I wish my gunnery skills were half as good. I could be wrong but from what I've read here it looks like Yenny sees AH as more of a war sim than Quake on wings. Making it home in your ride seems important to me too. There would be no real life aces if they all went into battle looking for a furball and fighting till their death for the sake of the fight. More often than not, they flew their mission from a lofty perch looking for an enemy to pounce on and hoping they can finish him off in one swoop. I'm sure the real life fighter pilot wouldn't call furballing fun. Some folks like to think of AH as a fun game that takes a lot of skill to master, others like to think of it as more of a simulation, the common denominator is, both sides see it as fun. The problem around here is, no one believes the other guy could possibly believe his way is fun.
Thank you for the film Yenny and don't try to win over the furballers and duelers , they want to enjoy their 15 bux their way and want you to join them! :salute :)
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I'm pretty sure Yenny is just ignoring the fact that most of this is brought on by his ego. It's off the scale.
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I watched the film and thought it was quite good. I wish my gunnery skills were half as good. I could be wrong but from what I've read here it looks like Yenny sees AH as more of a war sim than Quake on wings. Making it home in your ride seems important to me too. There would be no real life aces if they all went into battle looking for a furball and fighting till their death for the sake of the fight. More often than not, they flew their mission from a lofty perch looking for an enemy to pounce on and hoping they can finish him off in one swoop. I'm sure the real life fighter pilot wouldn't call furballing fun. Some folks like to think of AH as a fun game that takes a lot of skill to master, others like to think of it as more of a simulation, the common denominator is, both sides see it as fun. The problem around here is, no one believes the other guy could possibly believe his way is fun.
Thank you for the film Yenny and don't try to win over the furballers and duelers , they want to enjoy their 15 bux their way and want you to join them! :salute :)
I think if the thread title and motive had been more honest and less transaparent - people probably wouldnt flame so much.
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I mean it's fine to be like sunfan to take an f4ud fly into a big horde of 20 people mission on an air field solo, and try to get a few kills before he get shot down. However, the problem is crying about it. If you're gunna try to solo flight into a group of 20 planes expect to be shot down if you're low and slow.
no thats not usally how it happens..... usually im flying 1 v 1 or 1 v 2 then the horde of 20 shows up to save the other guys arse.
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no thats not usally how it happens..... usually im flying 1 v 1 or 1 v 2 then the horde of 20 shows up to save the other guys arse.
I chased a milkmaid to his base last night. He landed well before I caught him but a Mossie upped. I dragged him out away from the field ack and we started a fight. Then A Ki-61 upped and joined. Then a high 190 joined. Then something else upped and joined. Then another upped and was joining as I got killed. 5 on 1 and I was the only one there. It was clear for sectors other than me. How many is enough? You just have to ask.