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Title: fights and levels...
Post by: SkyRock on May 26, 2008, 10:39:47 PM
Don't know if this will fly, but here it goes.     I will duel people and give an honest and very respectful assessment that will determine a level.  Each level will have objectives to jump up to the next level.  These will be assessed my me annd an elite group of unknown badarses., and will include duels I witness, are involved in, and films that I have viewed of duels. 
If you are interested in joining in on the idea, let me know and I will make it happen.

Egos are left at the door with this, as the main purpose is for individual improvement, and all involved will be halping the ones below them, with tips, practice sessions, and comradre!

 :aok will be tallied as an IN!


 :aok
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: PFactorDave on May 26, 2008, 10:41:55 PM
 :aok

I'm always interested in improving, if this can be a training tool then I am all for it.  I'm a bit dubious, however.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: DoNKeY on May 26, 2008, 10:50:55 PM
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/dadonkey1234/halp-i-not-cheezburger.jpg)

 :aok

(If I'm on...)

donkey
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Banshee7 on May 26, 2008, 10:57:44 PM
I'm on the level right after the "two week" stage.  so i guess count me out
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Messiah on May 26, 2008, 11:09:45 PM
IMO classifying someone on a 'level' in this game is in vain because the game has too many variables to it.  I'm all for dueling and teaching people things and identifying their weakness/strong points etc.  But giving them a bureaucratic 'level' will do nothing but put a negative self-image over their heads. Like, "man I'm still on cherry pick tard ho'ing level, this sucks".  Maybe instead of level you should simply call them goals and set specific ones tailored to each pilots needs, since every player is different in style and abilities.  That's just my 2c and I could be completely wrong though. :)  Good Luck on the teaching tho, I'm horrible at it, lol.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: SIK1 on May 26, 2008, 11:15:51 PM
I'm willing to try anything to improve my fighter skills.
 :aok
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: lagger86 on May 26, 2008, 11:56:27 PM
 :aok

I'm well aware of my "level" and it isn't good, but fighting a good stick 1v1 is always fun and a good learning experience.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Wingnutt on May 26, 2008, 11:59:51 PM
too many variables to even attempt such a classification.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: XtrmeJ on May 27, 2008, 12:00:44 AM
I want to be a badarss.  :rock
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: lagger86 on May 27, 2008, 12:04:53 AM
I don't care about the classification aspect, I would just like to fight some good sticks. It can't hurt my confidence any....and I check my ego every time I log in(sometimes I may forget however). I just think it might be fun.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: BaldEagl on May 27, 2008, 12:11:56 AM
I thought that's what the trainers were for.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: dedalos on May 27, 2008, 12:15:20 AM
Don't know if this will fly, but here it goes.     I will duel people and give an honest and very respectful assessment that will determine a level.  Each level will have objectives to jump up to the next level.  These will be assessed my me annd an elite group of unknown badarses., and will include duels I witness, are involved in, and films that I have viewed of duels. 
If you are interested in joining in on the idea, let me know and I will make it happen.

Egos are left at the door with this, as the main purpose is for individual improvement, and all involved will be halping the ones below them, with tips, practice sessions, and comradre!

 :aok will be tallied as an IN!


 :aok

I am in  :D
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: PFactorDave on May 27, 2008, 12:17:58 AM
I thought that's what the trainers were for.

That was my first instinctual response.  This sounds like nothing more then an opportunity for personal ego stroking and character assasination.  But I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt and make an attempt to help this to work, since it might be good for the game.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: hunter128 on May 27, 2008, 12:42:24 AM
sounds interesting, i'm always up for a duel with a good opponent

count me in, but i must warn you...I suck :aok
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Scotch on May 27, 2008, 02:02:59 AM
 :aok
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: BiPoLaR on May 27, 2008, 02:32:32 AM
pick me i wana die  :O :O :O
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: fcmartin on May 27, 2008, 02:45:39 AM
 :aok Im in
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Gixer on May 27, 2008, 05:33:14 AM
I thought we already have trainers? Isn't there enough to go around or something?



<S>...-Gixer
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: LLogann on May 27, 2008, 06:52:56 AM
SkyRock, I take back every bad thing I ever said about you sir!

 :rock
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: yanksfan on May 27, 2008, 07:06:16 AM
I thought that's what the trainers were for.

The trainers do an awsum job :salute

But there isn't enough of them, SkyRock is willing to take his time and help out , this can only be a good thing and should be taken advantage of.

 :salute SkyRock

Yanksfan owns SkyRock by the way!

Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: culero on May 27, 2008, 07:23:17 AM
That was my first instinctual response.  This sounds like nothing more then an opportunity for personal cucumber stroking
snip

Edited for keerect speeling :)
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Hornet33 on May 27, 2008, 07:39:24 AM
Egos are left at the door with this....

All except your own that is. What makes you so special that you can rate me and tell me what I need to do to improve my game?

No offense there Skyrock, you are a good stick in the virtual world, but your post kind of strikes me as nothing but a big ego boost to yourself. Comes across like "I am the best there is and if you ever want to be a badarse like me, you have to let me tell you how to fly."

Give me a break.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: yanksfan on May 27, 2008, 07:55:36 AM
All except your own that is. What makes you so special that you can rate me and tell me what I need to do to improve my game?

No offense there Skyrock, you are a good stick in the virtual world, but your post kind of strikes me as nothing but a big ego boost to yourself. Comes across like "I am the best there is and if you ever want to be a badarse like me, you have to let me tell you how to fly."

Give me a break.

You may not like SkyRock's attitude, or game play, or him, i don't know, but he is just trying something new to help out, cut him some slack.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: CAP1 on May 27, 2008, 08:06:54 AM
All except your own that is. What makes you so special that you can rate me and tell me what I need to do to improve my game?

No offense there Skyrock, you are a good stick in the virtual world, but your post kind of strikes me as nothing but a big ego boost to yourself. Comes across like "I am the best there is and if you ever want to be a badarse like me, you have to let me tell you how to fly."

Give me a break.

well, dude, in that respect what exactl makes our trainers so special that they can rate us and tell us what we need to do to improve? the same as skyrock......they've put in time to learn and have the willingness to teach others. all he's trying to do is help us all out. is that really such a bad thing?
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Shane on May 27, 2008, 08:07:13 AM
All except your own that is. What makes you so special that you can rate me and tell me what I need to do to improve my game? No offense there Skyrock, you are a good stick in the virtual world, but your post kind of strikes me as nothing but a big ego boost to yourself. Comes across like "I am the best there is and if you ever want to be a badarse like me, you have to let me tell you how to fly."  Give me a break.

Ermmm, well.... SkyRock has probably dueled some of the best sticks in the game at some point, and gotten his butt handed to him, i'm sure, so I would give him the benefit of being able to "rate" others, entirely subjective, tho'.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: uptown on May 27, 2008, 08:07:54 AM
 :aok
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Hornet33 on May 27, 2008, 08:17:21 AM
I probably wouldn't even have posted but for one thing. His ego IS that big and this is nothing but a way for him to try and stroke it some more. I can't count the number of posts he's made here in the BBS of him talking about how uber he is and everyone else sucks, or the number of times I've seen him on 200 talking down to people.

If he wants to claim himself as the know all authority for flying cartoons airplanes, and you want to back him up thats fine, but I've been playing this game for quite awhile now (coming up on 3 years) and I know who Skyrock is and I know how he thinks he's the best there is. If I met him face to face we'd probably get along just fine, but his in game persona and how he conducts himself in game most times is pretty lame IMHO.

I've fought him before in the MA and I've lost most of those fights and I learned from all of them. I think it's great if he wants to teach someone, but his post didn't really say anything about that did it? No it said Skyrock and a handfull of other badarse pilots wil duel you and then rate you.

Might have come off better if he had said something along the lines of "Hey I'm looking to teach people advanced ACM, if your interested look me up and I'll see if I can find areas where you can improve your ACM."

This time his persona proceeded himself and I found his post rather lame so I commented on it.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: CHAPPY on May 27, 2008, 08:26:18 AM
How much do you charge for this service skyrock?

flat rate or hourly?
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Shane on May 27, 2008, 08:28:32 AM
No it said Skyrock and a handfull of other badarse pilots wil duel you and then rate you.


that's the beauty of it - it's voluntary.  nice sig, btw.

 :aok
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Balsy on May 27, 2008, 08:30:48 AM
that's the beauty of it - it's voluntary.  nice sig, btw.

 :aok

7 more posts and you've hit the 5000 mark, and you can open a school for BB's pwnage rating of peoples posts.

BTW how was this one?

Balsy
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: 2bighorn on May 27, 2008, 08:33:02 AM
I will duel people and give an honest and very respectful assessment that will determine a level.  Each level will have objectives to jump up to the next level.  These will be assessed by me and an elite group of unknown badarses., and will include duels I witness, are involved in, and films that I have viewed of duels.

Do "unknown badarses" and you give credits for previous duels, or do we have to start from scratch?  :aok
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: yanksfan on May 27, 2008, 08:34:23 AM
I probably wouldn't even have posted but for one thing. His ego IS that big and this is nothing but a way for him to try and stroke it some more. I can't count the number of posts he's made here in the BBS of him talking about how uber he is and everyone else sucks, or the number of times I've seen him on 200 talking down to people.

If he wants to claim himself as the know all authority for flying cartoons airplanes, and you want to back him up thats fine, but I've been playing this game for quite awhile now (coming up on 3 years) and I know who Skyrock is and I know how he thinks he's the best there is. If I met him face to face we'd probably get along just fine, but his in game persona and how he conducts himself in game most times is pretty lame IMHO.

I've fought him before in the MA and I've lost most of those fights and I learned from all of them. I think it's great if he wants to teach someone, but his post didn't really say anything about that did it? No it said Skyrock and a handfull of other badarse pilots wil duel you and then rate you.

Might have come off better if he had said something along the lines of "Hey I'm looking to teach people advanced ACM, if your interested look me up and I'll see if I can find areas where you can improve your ACM."

This time his persona proceeded himself and I found his post rather lame so I commented on it.

NP pal, your a good dude, if you would like to get a little better take on SkyRock, i would suggest you go here http://www.freewebs.com/yanksfan001/ and veiw his film bio, it will at least give you a closer look at the hows and whys of what he does and how he acts in game, he may come off a little rough at times (really rough) but he is a really good guy and a great stick, he has much to offer the community.

Don
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: thndregg on May 27, 2008, 08:35:05 AM
If I met him face to face we'd probably get along just fine, but his in game persona and how he conducts himself in game most times is pretty lame IMHO.

I guess this is one reason I don't play as much as I used to. I don't see the need for personas. I respect a person a lot more if they are just as real in a game (anonymous or not) as they are in life.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: yanksfan on May 27, 2008, 08:36:46 AM
Do "unknown badarses" and you give credits for previous duels, or do we have to start from scratch?  :aok

Yanksfan owns Bighorn
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: CAP1 on May 27, 2008, 08:39:32 AM
His ego IS that big ...I can't count the number of posts he's made here in the BBS of him talking about how uber he is and everyone else sucks, or the number of times I've seen him on 200 talking down to people.

If he wants to claim himself as the know all authority for flying cartoons airplanes, and I know how he thinks he's the best there is. If I met him face to face we'd probably get along just fine, but his in game persona and how he conducts himself in game most times is pretty lame IMHO.

This time his persona proceeded himself and I found his post rather lame so I commented on it.

well, dude/.......this is about 80 to 90% of the pilots in here :D
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: 2bighorn on May 27, 2008, 08:43:14 AM
Yanksfan owns Bighorn

Very true, sir!  :salute
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: yanksfan on May 27, 2008, 08:45:22 AM
Very true, sir!  :salute

i wish  :salute
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Impakt on May 27, 2008, 08:50:10 AM
Quote
All except your own that is. What makes you so special that you can rate me and tell me what I need to do to improve my game?

No offense there Skyrock, you are a good stick in the virtual world, but your post kind of strikes me as nothing but a big ego boost to yourself. Comes across like "I am the best there is and if you ever want to be a badarse like me, you have to let me tell you how to fly."

Give me a break.

My view exactly, well said. Training certainly is helpful, and I have been lucky to work with two squadmate trainers in Warbirds---dhyran and flubby. Anyone who has spent some time duelling 1 v 1 would realize that it is a lot like golf or being a pitcher in baseball. Some days you have "good stuff" and your "A game" and others you wonder if you know how to play the game. I wouldn't want my "skills" evaluated on a single duel. Furthermore, what is required in a 1 v 1 duel is often quite different from what is prudent in the MA or in historical scenarios. Often a duel requires looking for that moment to throw "all your cards" down, fly on the edge, and get that "firing solution,"----such moves might be damned stupid with other cons around---but a warranted risk 1 v 1. I always did better in duelling tournaments than in the "game", i.e., defeating higher rated sticks---just because of the prudence of the imprudent move in a duel.

   There is one word for this thread----MEGALOMANIA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomaniac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomaniac)
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: CAP1 on May 27, 2008, 08:54:32 AM
I guess this is one reason I don't play as much as I used to. I don't see the need for personas. I respect a person a lot more if they are just as real in a game (anonymous or not) as they are in life.


 :aok :aok
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: crockett on May 27, 2008, 09:22:15 AM
I dunno about giving people skill levels, because there are just so many variables in this game even in strict DA style 1 on 1's. On the flip side anything that helps teach people to fight I'm all for it, but I'd rather see it as a dog fighting school mixed into a ladder competition. Meaning set up something like the DFC but allow noobs or whoever to join and help teach them how to fight in both 1 on 1 and 2 and even multi con set ups.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: sunfan1121 on May 27, 2008, 09:39:14 AM
word :aok
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Rogue9Volt on May 27, 2008, 10:20:59 AM
I actually like the general idea...  I dunno about putting labels on folks, but I'd love to pick up some new tricks and see how I stack up (not that I'd stack up all that high lol). :aok
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Gixer on May 27, 2008, 10:32:20 AM
No offense there Skyrock, you are a good stick in the virtual world, but your post kind of strikes me as nothing but a big ego boost to yourself. Comes across like "I am the best there is and if you ever want to be a badarse like me, you have to let me tell you how to fly."

Give me a break.

Yes, exactly my thought on the thread as well. But thought I'd see how it pans out over a few months.

IMHO being a average/good stick is only a part of whats required for a trainer. Far more importantly trainers need patience,good communication skills, plenty of spare time and a genuine interest towards helping others. Otherwise it just turns into aimless sessions in the TA/DA over a couple weeks with no direction or ongoing development for the students. Which is pretty much where the levels idea slots in.


<S>....-Gixer
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: SkyRock on May 27, 2008, 10:34:08 AM
Well, some of the replys are typical and others are more on the spot...  let me quote myself here:


"  These will be assessed my me and an elite group of unknown badarses, and will include duels I witness, are involved in, and films that I have viewed of duels.  "  I might also add that duels that the other judges have been in.

So, those of you tards that automatically got your panties in an I hate SkyRock bunch, can simply pull them out while noones looking.  (and wash your hands afterwards) :aok



The duels will be submitted by film and there will be several suggestions on how to enhance your chances at winning in these duels.  I will not be the only one viewing the films or the only one giving feedback, this will be done by fellas that will slap the average MA'er to slapville and back with one hand tied behind their back.   You will not know who is giving you the advice as it will be anonymous.  There will be no ego involved in the assessment and it will be as honest and ehlpful as follows.  Look at it like getting your singing reviewed by Paula, Randy, and Simon! lolz


Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: BigPlay on May 27, 2008, 10:59:45 AM
All except your own that is. What makes you so special that you can rate me and tell me what I need to do to improve my game?

No offense there Skyrock, you are a good stick in the virtual world, but your post kind of strikes me as nothing but a big ego boost to yourself. Comes across like "I am the best there is and if you ever want to be a badarse like me, you have to let me tell you how to fly."

Give me a break.



I'm more interested in where we can view some more of your wife beater t-shirt collection. The 08 slept in cowboy hat collection is another one I would be interested in seeing more of. I live in California so don't get much of a chance to lay my eyes upon that kind of apparel. Are they at WalMart yet ?
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Hornet33 on May 27, 2008, 11:11:22 AM


I'm more interested in where we can view some more of your wife beater t-shirt collection. The 08 slept in cowboy hat collection is another one I would be interested in seeing more of. I live in California so don't get much of a chance to lay my eyes upon that kind of apparel. Are they at WalMart yet ?

 :huh  Not sure what your getting at here, care to elaborate?
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: CAP1 on May 27, 2008, 11:24:29 AM
Don't know if this will fly, but here it goes.     I will duel people and give an honest and very respectful assessment that will determine a level.  Each level will have objectives to jump up to the next level.  These will be assessed my me annd an elite group of unknown badarses., and will include duels I witness, are involved in, and films that I have viewed of duels. 
If you are interested in joining in on the idea, let me know and I will make it happen.

Egos are left at the door with this, as the main purpose is for individual improvement, and all involved will be halping the ones below them, with tips, practice sessions, and comradre!

 :aok will be tallied as an IN!


 :aok

ok...i've been reading through this thread, and there's a few of ya that are putting this guy down for this. well, i have no clue who skyrock is in the arenas, but from all i've read on the boards here he seems ok.
 this offer, in my opinion is very very generous of him. he could just keep going in the MA's and killing you all, and rant and rave about how much yall suckkkkk, b ut he's not., he's offering to help you(and me) better ourselves. don't berate the guy for this offer. if you think he's only trying to boost his own ego, then that's your opinion, and you don't have to take him up on his offer.

 me personally, i think it's a win-win. we're ALL looking for good fights. well, here's your chance. skyrock's OFFERING you a fair fight. he wins because no doubt some of you will give him great fights. we all win, because we're all gonna GET ssome great fights. so what's the problem here?

<<S>>
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: AKDogg on May 27, 2008, 11:26:45 AM
What happens if u beat all the Elite group of raters?
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: CAP1 on May 27, 2008, 11:28:19 AM
What happens if u beat all the Elite group of raters?

you get a cookie?
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: BigPlay on May 27, 2008, 11:29:09 AM
:huh  Not sure what your getting at here, care to elaborate?


go look at SkyRocks u tube or my space or whatever his sight is. He is sporting his 2008 clothing line in some of the photos.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: humble on May 27, 2008, 11:34:53 AM
I thought that's what the trainers were for.

Yes and No...

Training is a complex and variable undertaking. In most cases "dueling" is only a small subset of the equation. Both the interest of the student and the capabilities of an individual trainer come into play. Back when I was a trainer I was glad that DMF (leviathon), Citabria (fester), Nash,+jase and a bunch of others hung out in the TA. Not only did it help me get better but I'd often get help from "the guys"...
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: humble on May 27, 2008, 11:37:55 AM
All except your own that is. What makes you so special that you can rate me and tell me what I need to do to improve my game?

No offense there Skyrock, you are a good stick in the virtual world, but your post kind of strikes me as nothing but a big ego boost to yourself. Comes across like "I am the best there is and if you ever want to be a badarse like me, you have to let me tell you how to fly."

Give me a break.

When I decided to polish my 1 on 1 game back up Mark was very insightful. We're lucky to have guys like mark, batfink, dedalos, barbossa, TC and others that are willing and able to lend a hand.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: Impakt on May 27, 2008, 11:42:57 AM
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So, those of you tards that automatically got your panties in an I hate SkyRock bunch, can simply pull them out while noones looking.  (and wash your hands afterwards) Thumbs UP!



The duels will be submitted by film and there will be several suggestions on how to enhance your chances at winning in these duels.  I will not be the only one viewing the films or the only one giving feedback, this will be done by fellas that will slap the average MA'er to slapville and back with one hand tied behind their back.


The rudeness and channel 200 attitude contained in those remarks says all that needs to be said about your "offer" of "help." I'd rather work with the patient and respectful friends I already have, thank you very much. Pretty cocky stuff---I'm someone who needs empirical back up---I'll be on the lookout for my slap to slapville. Even if I get one, I'll pick myself up,dust myself off, put my head down and charge in for more.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: edog1977 on May 27, 2008, 11:46:27 AM
Look at it like getting your singing reviewed by Paula, Randy, and Simon! lolz

So are you gonna name the "contest" American Ace?  Just think of all the possibilities.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: 2bighorn on May 27, 2008, 12:32:34 PM
What happens if u beat all the Elite group of raters?
I know of 3, maybe 4 sticks who could beat all of them. You're not on that list  :devil
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: WMLute on May 27, 2008, 12:37:35 PM
oh I dunno...

I put AKDogg on the "any given Sunday" list.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: stickpig on May 27, 2008, 12:46:19 PM
Now will these "duels" be DA type rules and such or is gonna be more of a MA senerio fight?

I think people will have different tactics DA vs MA enviroment
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: 2bighorn on May 27, 2008, 12:48:48 PM
oh I dunno...

I put AKDogg on the "any given Sunday" list.

Oh, I don't doubt you, but those "raters" (if they are who I think they are), are good from Monday until Sunday, 51 and 1/2 weeks per year.
Consistency is what makes them so darn good.
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: dedalos on May 27, 2008, 12:52:31 PM
oh I dunno...

I put AKDogg on the "any given Sunday" list.

I see a bet coming  :D  I will bet my 45 fighter perks and my 12 GV perks.  What you got?  :rofl
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: SIK1 on May 27, 2008, 01:18:32 PM
Geez a guy offers to help out and most of you just jump all over him. How many of you are part of all the whine threads too?
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: NoBaddy on May 27, 2008, 01:29:01 PM
The nice thing about being me....I gave up caring about how good I was long before anyone here even started playing.

Have fun. :rock
Title: Re: fights and levels...
Post by: SEraider on May 27, 2008, 01:58:01 PM
Skyrock,  forget about the haters here!

Would this be a 1x week thing at a certain time lets say?  :aok  I'm always opened minded.

I'm tired of getting pwned by Dedalos and Barbossa (or whatever shade he is now).  I'm tired I tell ya. I'm tired I'm tired I'm tired of it. :cry