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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunthr on June 02, 2008, 06:21:07 PM
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This is something that we should all know how to do. I am not a normally aggressive person. But I have had my prettythang significantly kicked before. I would like to know what YOU have learned.
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Walk softly and carry plenty of ammo.
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Learned and used:
Boxing, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Can't wait to use:
Knife.
In.
Buttcrack.
:D
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38 years of hitting pepole with sticks in the SCA,
In that time, one store robber intimidated into surrender, one ethnic wedding after riot quashed (A specific ethnic group celebrates the wedding reception with a fight between the groom and brides family and friends, the bigger the fight the better the marrage, one such spilled over on one of our medieval parties) one knife attack stopped, one really fun bar fight in Tiejeras NM between rounds of a tourney (Best flash scene of the fight, a bruiser tried to sucker punch me in the gut, but I had a steel breast plate on under my sweat shirt[Grin]) and one rowdy drunk "Encouraged" into the pond.
Nothing ever life threatening but a lotta fun had by all,
Kevin
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Get with the technology... Gunpowder has been around for ages now.
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you can't win a fight unless you know you are in a fight.
lazs
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Wrestling, muay thai, judo, and brazilian jiujitsu. Fun stuff to pass along to the children.
Not a substitute for my 9mm, but very nice to have.
edit: It really doesn't matter what you know, as long as you know something, and train that something in a full-resistance environment. Anything but full-speed, full-resistance is just man-dancing (like most Aikido).
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I would like to know what YOU have learned.
I have learned when it comes to street fighting that to have any chance of survival you must have a female in the 85 to 90 pound range on your side. She must have the physical measurements equal to that of a broomstick to be most effective.
They are good to take down anywhere from 5 to 20 male attackers of great physical stature no matter how heavily they are armed.
I learned all of this from movies and TV shows.
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This is something that we should all know how to do. I am not a normally aggressive person. But I have had my uncle significantly kicked before. I would like to know what YOU have learned.
easiest thing? don't be in the areas where you're gonna hafta worrty about that.
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The most useful thing I know: When you're about to smack someone, ask them a question.....any question.....just before you do. And then aim for the nut sacks.
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Haven't been in a fight since 1990. Since I received my pistol permit, I carry my 9mm just in case.. :D
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This is something that we should all know how to do. I am not a normally aggressive person. But I have had my uncle significantly kicked before. I would like to know what YOU have learned.
funny you should pose this question, I wasn't going to share this here because of the negative responses these types of machoy posts tend to draw. in any event here it is. just recently (maybe six weeks ago) I left a service call on NW 199 st and NW 60 ave not too far from county line/honey hill road at a private residence in a not too shabby residential neighborhood. as I was travelling southbound on NW67 ave in the middle lane when a little japanese car came from my right side cut in front of me and stopped so abruptly that even though I was standing on the brakes I hit his rear end. in the next instant the driver of the car opened my door and pounded me with five or six punches to my face, closing my left eye. as I removed my seat belt I pivoted in my seat and kicked him squarely in the chest, pushing him out from on top of me. I exited the vehicle and squared up on the assailant who then ran back to his car. as I proceeded to chase him out of my right periphery I see a crouched/running figure running from the assailant's car toward the back of my truck. at that point I drew my revolver. when the other assailant came around the back of the truck and saw my weapon he started screaming in spanish that I had a gun and immediately turned and fled back to his car. as I turned about the first assailant who was most likely returning to strike me from behind was now running towards his car as well. I held my fire. they jumped into their car and drove away. in doing so my truck starts to putt putt away from me because I never put the transmission on park after the impact. at that point I had to sprint (as it were) to catch the truck and jump in. I'm thanking god for those nerf bars on that truck.
what have I learned? well a lifetime of martial arts training and shooting did little for me in that instant. I thought myself as always maintaining pretty fair situational awareness I now see that I thought far too highly about myself and my ability. I now no longer wear a seatbelt as I lost too much time fumbling with the release mechanisim under duress. I now lock my doors at all times. I learned that at 52 years of age I can still take punches to the face in a hostile confrontation and that my fat bellybutton can still sprint if the need arises.
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If you could respond intelligently after taking 6 unanswered punches to the face, that guy hit like a girl.
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Glock 26.
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funny you should pose this question, I wasn't going to share this here because of the negative responses these types of machoy posts tend to draw. in any event here it is. just recently (maybe six weeks ago) I left a service call on NW 199 st and NW 60 ave not too far from county line/honey hill road at a private residence in a not too shabby residential neighborhood. as I was travelling southbound on NW67 ave in the middle lane when a little japanese car came from my right side cut in front of me and stopped so abruptly that even though I was standing on the brakes I hit his rear end. in the next instant the driver of the car opened my door and pounded me with five or six punches to my face, closing my left eye. as I removed my seat belt I pivoted in my seat and kicked him squarely in the chest, pushing him out from on top of me. I exited the vehicle and squared up on the assailant who then ran back to his car. as I proceeded to chase him out of my right periphery I see a crouched/running figure running from the assailant's car toward the back of my truck. at that point I drew my revolver. when the other assailant came around the back of the truck and saw my weapon he started screaming in spanish that I had a gun and immediately turned and fled back to his car. as I turned about the first assailant who was most likely returning to strike me from behind was now running towards his car as well. I held my fire. they jumped into their car and drove away. in doing so my truck starts to putt putt away from me because I never put the transmission on park after the impact. at that point I had to sprint (as it were) to catch the truck and jump in. I'm thanking god for those nerf bars on that truck.
what have I learned? well a lifetime of martial arts training and shooting did little for me in that instant. I thought myself as always maintaining pretty fair situational awareness I now see that I thought far too highly about myself and my ability. I now no longer wear a seatbelt as I lost too much time fumbling with the release mechanisim under duress. I now lock my doors at all times. I learned that at 52 years of age I can still take punches to the face in a hostile confrontation and that my fat bellybutton can still sprint if the need arises.
Sounds like you were lucky not to be seriously hurt. I bet my paycheck they were in this country illlegally... :mad:
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funny you should pose this question, I wasn't going to share this here because of the negative responses these types of machoy posts tend to draw. in any event here it is. just recently (maybe six weeks ago) I left a service call on NW 199 st and NW 60 ave not too far from county line/honey hill road at a private residence in a not too shabby residential neighborhood. as I was travelling southbound on NW67 ave in the middle lane when a little japanese car came from my right side cut in front of me and stopped so abruptly that even though I was standing on the brakes I hit his rear end. in the next instant the driver of the car opened my door and pounded me with five or six punches to my face, closing my left eye. as I removed my seat belt I pivoted in my seat and kicked him squarely in the chest, pushing him out from on top of me. I exited the vehicle and squared up on the assailant who then ran back to his car. as I proceeded to chase him out of my right periphery I see a crouched/running figure running from the assailant's car toward the back of my truck. at that point I drew my revolver. when the other assailant came around the back of the truck and saw my weapon he started screaming in spanish that I had a gun and immediately turned and fled back to his car. as I turned about the first assailant who was most likely returning to strike me from behind was now running towards his car as well. I held my fire. they jumped into their car and drove away. in doing so my truck starts to putt putt away from me because I never put the transmission on park after the impact. at that point I had to sprint (as it were) to catch the truck and jump in. I'm thanking god for those nerf bars on that truck.
what have I learned? well a lifetime of martial arts training and shooting did little for me in that instant. I thought myself as always maintaining pretty fair situational awareness I now see that I thought far too highly about myself and my ability. I now no longer wear a seatbelt as I lost too much time fumbling with the release mechanisim under duress. I now lock my doors at all times. I learned that at 52 years of age I can still take punches to the face in a hostile confrontation and that my fat bellybutton can still sprint if the need arises.
obviously the training you mentioned DID help quite a bit. most people wouild have been unable to respond to that. most people not trained would've drawn, and blasted away, hitting nothing.
for the seat belt issue......keep it on dude. just do like you said and lock the doors, and then pretend you're flying(for real). by this, i mean keep your head on a constant swivel. you mithg have seen this comming.
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Fast foot strike down on kneecap or shin, kick to the groin, head strikes such at directly to the tip of nose, eye gouge, all take em out pretty quick. As someone else said you have to know your being attacked and then your primary function should be to strike first and strike to drop them. Leave the body shots as well as the head strikes alone, as in hitting his forhead/skull, as most people won't go down with just a lucky punch.
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If you scream like a girl and fall on the ground yelling "Rape" it'll give you time to reach for that hidden folding blade in the buttcrack and chase off the Pineapples.
You'll get yer homework back and still be eligible for the Air Force Academy.
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If you could respond intelligently after taking 6 unanswered punches to the face, that guy hit like a girl.
that's about right and a good thing too. he was hitting me with his ring finger and pinky knuckles and didn't know how to punch. still it was a quick succession of hits and very disorienting.
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I have learned to talk my way out of trouble even if i have to eat a big slice of humble pie. On the extremly few other occations were that has not worked I have always made the first move. That has _always_ been the end of that.
Not something I ever hope to do again. :)
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that's about right and a good thing too. he was hitting me with his ring finger and pinky knuckles and didn't know how to punch. still it was a quick succession of hits and very disorienting.
Plus I imagine after many years of Karate training you have been punched in the face a number of times. Some of those are pretty hard punches. It happens accidentally during training, so you have an idea what your reaction will be to that. In other words you are desensitized to being punched in the face. Goes with the territory. If anything, a couple face punches probably made you mad to where you were ready for a fight. In that situation it became second nature to defend yourself.
That car maneuver sounds like an intentional robbery attempt. Pulling in front of another car and slamming on brakes, forcing the other car to collision. Miami is a dangerous place for things like that I've heard. Glad you're ok.
Les
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I suspect an attempt to steal the vehicle for the tools that are in it but you can't rule out road rage. as I was driving away from the service call I was also logging my time on site in order to prepare the billing and I was driving somewhat slowly. theft was probably the intent though as the guy attempted to get me to chase him which I started to do and only luckily saw the guy out of my right eye by great fortune. I suspect they expected to leave me there truckless and phoneless. it would have been a good score for them. yes I have been face punched often and it does not have the impact that it would on one who has not experienced it.
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I'm not sure driving without a seatbelt is wise, Storch. Keeping your doors locked should give sufficient time to release the belt and step into action.
I always drive with my doors locked.
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funny you should pose this question, I wasn't going to share this here because of the negative responses these types of machoy posts tend to draw. in any event here it is. just recently (maybe six weeks ago) I left a service call on NW 199 st and NW 60 ave not too far from county line/honey hill road at a private residence in a not too shabby residential neighborhood. as I was travelling southbound on NW67 ave in the middle lane when a little japanese car came from my right side cut in front of me and stopped so abruptly that even though I was standing on the brakes I hit his rear end. in the next instant the driver of the car opened my door and pounded me with five or six punches to my face, closing my left eye. as I removed my seat belt I pivoted in my seat and kicked him squarely in the chest, pushing him out from on top of me. I exited the vehicle and squared up on the assailant who then ran back to his car. as I proceeded to chase him out of my right periphery I see a crouched/running figure running from the assailant's car toward the back of my truck. at that point I drew my revolver. when the other assailant came around the back of the truck and saw my weapon he started screaming in spanish that I had a gun and immediately turned and fled back to his car. as I turned about the first assailant who was most likely returning to strike me from behind was now running towards his car as well. I held my fire. they jumped into their car and drove away. in doing so my truck starts to putt putt away from me because I never put the transmission on park after the impact. at that point I had to sprint (as it were) to catch the truck and jump in. I'm thanking god for those nerf bars on that truck.
what have I learned? well a lifetime of martial arts training and shooting did little for me in that instant. I thought myself as always maintaining pretty fair situational awareness I now see that I thought far too highly about myself and my ability. I now no longer wear a seatbelt as I lost too much time fumbling with the release mechanisim under duress. I now lock my doors at all times. I learned that at 52 years of age I can still take punches to the face in a hostile confrontation and that my fat bellybutton can still sprint if the need arises.
So my disguise as a hispanic worked! I planned this for months... how to pummel Storchie and get away with it. Muhahahahaha!
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Thats a heck of a story Storch... I'd say you did pretty darn good. You won, and you did it intelligently. I'm glad you didn't shoot in this case, but glad you were ready to shoot. Obviously, you had given personal defense some thought beforehand, so you reacted very well.
at our age, the best plan is: "I win - you lose." - by any means, and as quickly as possible...
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no I didn't win. I am the clear loser in this one. eye closed solid for two days and a nice ring for about ten days with the question "geez what happened to you?" from all I met. I felt like a wuss for being pounded. I had the sympathy of all of the women in my life, a clear sign of wussliness and the snickers of the men I work with and my son to make matters worse. also I find myself looking intently for that little car as I go about my business through town. the whole incident has been an embarassment to me. I probably should have shot them and the only reason why I didn't was because I didn't think that I could get away with it because they would have both been shots to the guy's backs. I didn't shoot for fear of the consequences and not from any concern for the two individuals. that was the first time in my life I ever needed any of the skills I thought I had and I put none of them into practice. there is a big difference between going into a confrontation knowing, being mentally prepared for a fight to one occurring spur of the moment. there were no cues and I was completely unprepared and respond weakly. I can excuse myself to the extent that I had lots to do quickly. as I hit the brakes the stuff I carry in the passenger's seat all flew forward, looking to the right quickly to see if I could dodge even while standing on the brakes etcetera but the reality is I must have looked like a deer caught in the headlights to the assailant because I never saw him approach. I saw my door pop open and fist coming. my reaction to the next punch was an upward block but I also turned my head and started fumbling with the seat belt release. he was punching with both hands but the closeness of the confined space made it difficult for him to get powerful punches and made it easy for me to get the one good kick in to his center of mass. anyway that kick was the only lick I got in and it was really more of a push because of how close he was to me. it was a good kick because it allowed me to scramble out and confront the guy on more or less equal terms. but at the end of the foray I felt like I had gotten my bellybutton kicked and I felt ashamed of myself.
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but at the end of the foray I felt like I had gotten my bellybutton kicked and I felt ashamed of myself.
Oh please. You got bruised up by some suckerpunches. It happens. You just didn't get the satisfaction of a KO or submission (I <3 armbars). They ran, you didn't get stabbed or shot. There's definately worse outcomes.
edit: wear the seatbelt. It kept me from egressing my 4Runner recently. Had I had one on my dog's harness I wouldn't have ended up dropping 3k on surgery either.
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easiest thing? don't be in the areas where you're gonna hafta worrty about that.
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Easiest the best post so far in this thread. :aok
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funny you should pose this question, I wasn't going to share this here because of the negative responses these types of machoy posts tend to draw. in any event here it is. just recently (maybe six weeks ago) I left a service call on NW 199 st and NW 60 ave not too far from county line/honey hill road at a private residence in a not too shabby residential neighborhood. as I was travelling southbound on NW67 ave in the middle lane when a little japanese car came from my right side cut in front of me and stopped so abruptly that even though I was standing on the brakes I hit his rear end. in the next instant the driver of the car opened my door and pounded me with five or six punches to my face, closing my left eye. as I removed my seat belt I pivoted in my seat and kicked him squarely in the chest, pushing him out from on top of me. I exited the vehicle and squared up on the assailant who then ran back to his car. as I proceeded to chase him out of my right periphery I see a crouched/running figure running from the assailant's car toward the back of my truck. at that point I drew my revolver. when the other assailant came around the back of the truck and saw my weapon he started screaming in spanish that I had a gun and immediately turned and fled back to his car. as I turned about the first assailant who was most likely returning to strike me from behind was now running towards his car as well. I held my fire. they jumped into their car and drove away. in doing so my truck starts to putt putt away from me because I never put the transmission on park after the impact. at that point I had to sprint (as it were) to catch the truck and jump in. I'm thanking god for those nerf bars on that truck.
what have I learned? well a lifetime of martial arts training and shooting did little for me in that instant. I thought myself as always maintaining pretty fair situational awareness I now see that I thought far too highly about myself and my ability. I now no longer wear a seatbelt as I lost too much time fumbling with the release mechanisim under duress. I now lock my doors at all times. I learned that at 52 years of age I can still take punches to the face in a hostile confrontation and that my fat bellybutton can still sprint if the need arises.
I had a friend in high school who stopped wearing their seatbelt. Not quite for the same reason but a quick exit if needed was the end reason. I really wish we (my friends and I) had been able to convince him to keep wearing it. It cost him dearly in an accident that was no fault of his own. Please reconsider the seatbelt idea!
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storch.. I understand your reluctance to repeat any stories like that.. I already regret doing so in another thread. I would also point out (before dago does) that since you only had an obsolete and harmless revolver with a pitiful six shots.. you were unarmed. You needed at least a semi auto with at least a 40 round mag to scare away the bad guys.
This is a strange thread for me.. not only am I in sympathy with storchita.. but... I find that I agree.. possibly for the first time.. with nelson..
Yep, he is right.. you do everything in your power to avoid a fight.. even it it means humbling yourself a tad.. but.. know when you are in a fight.. when the fight has really started but no one has thrown a punch yet and then be that guy who throws the first punch. I have lost a few bar and streetfights back in the day by not heeding my own advice... I have rarely won tho where I didn't get some kind of injury. best to not get into the situation. I avoid 99% of the situations that used to get me into fights by avoiding the places they happened and the situations. In storchitas case.. he really couldn't avoid the situation.. that is rare.
lazs
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Glad you are ok Storch. Sounds to me that under the circumstances you aquitted yourself quite well.
I'm betting these guys were after your truck.
Wear your seatbelt though....make sure your doors are locked.
cheers, and hope your feeling better.
RTR
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no I didn't win. I am the clear loser in this one. eye closed solid for two days and a nice ring for about ten days with the question "geez what happened to you?" from all I met. I felt like a wuss for being pounded. I had the sympathy of all of the women in my life, a clear sign of wussliness and the snickers of the men I work with and my son to make matters worse. also I find myself looking intently for that little car as I go about my business through town. the whole incident has been an embarassment to me. I probably should have shot them and the only reason why I didn't was because I didn't think that I could get away with it because they would have both been shots to the guy's backs. I didn't shoot for fear of the consequences and not from any concern for the two individuals. that was the first time in my life I ever needed any of the skills I thought I had and I put none of them into practice. there is a big difference between going into a confrontation knowing, being mentally prepared for a fight to one occurring spur of the moment. there were no cues and I was completely unprepared and respond weakly. I can excuse myself to the extent that I had lots to do quickly. as I hit the brakes the stuff I carry in the passenger's seat all flew forward, looking to the right quickly to see if I could dodge even while standing on the brakes etcetera but the reality is I must have looked like a deer caught in the headlights to the assailant because I never saw him approach. I saw my door pop open and fist coming. my reaction to the next punch was an upward block but I also turned my head and started fumbling with the seat belt release. he was punching with both hands but the closeness of the confined space made it difficult for him to get powerful punches and made it easy for me to get the one good kick in to his center of mass. anyway that kick was the only lick I got in and it was really more of a push because of how close he was to me. it was a good kick because it allowed me to scramble out and confront the guy on more or less equal terms. but at the end of the foray I felt like I had gotten my bellybutton kicked and I felt ashamed of myself.
i think ya oughta load your truck up with a small arsenel, and go out at nights, find this guy, and his buddies, and show them who not to mess with. that may make ya feel better. :aok
seriously, i don't get why you're embarrassed?? you got caught off guard, and reacted in a manner which probably saved your life. imagine if you hadn't done that, and that guy had dragged you oout of the truck? what if you did nothing, and his next move was to pull his gun on you as he tr4ied to drag oyou out of the truck?
so ya got bruises. i'm sure it wasn't the first time in your life, and most liekly won't be the last. you're alive, and lost nothing.
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Storch
You made the right call. Shooting them in the back would have gained you nothing. You won simply by pulling the gun and they ran for it. If you hadn't had the gun the situation would most likely have ended differently. I would continue to use the seatbelt but as you said, keep the doors locked. No reason to overdo it, locking the doors is fine and you'll need the seatbelt in case of a collision and/or traffic related accident.
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storch you should have pumped a few rounds into their car for good measure
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Than they wouldn't have to spend any money at autozone for those fake gunhole decals LoL :D
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I agree with storch on the seatbelt thing.. those who say the three point, rub your neck raw, crap belts we see in cars today do not limit your movement of ruin the driving experience are full of it. I have never worn the belts in my Lincoln but wear the lap belts in my hot rods. I have been in wrecks that not wearing belts that you would swear everyone died.. belts or not.. and no one died. It is exaggerated to the extreme. My Lincoln is the same car limmo services use.. they don't have to wear belts.. are they in some alternate universe of harm or just have better lobbyists? how bout school buses and taxis? alternated universe?
I would be safer in a car if I wore a helmet and nomex firesuit.. race car drivers do.... at some point you have to ask yourself.. are you driving because you enjoy it or cause you are forced to.. if it is for pleasure you have to ask yourself.. how much of the experience are you willing to throw away for a tiny little chance of safety?
Seatbelts or not.. in my Healey... I am dead in a wreck it is a 2000 lb car made mostly of aluminum and has a 6 foot spear of a steering column aimed at my chest. It is also 400 hp V8 and I have gotten it sideways at speed more times than I care to admit. It is a very dangerous car.. my motorcycles have always been dangerous.. I am not the least bit worried about what will happen to me if a guy hits my Lincoln towne car.
It is a matter of choice and perspective and individual rights.. things that have been taken away from me by people who don't know me and would not be affected by my choices and.. to be honest.. don't give a crap if I live or die but do care about control.
lazs
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I wore seatbelts because after three citations for not wearing them my insurance premium went up. all three times I was pulled over for minor infractions but was written up for the seatbelt violation. I hate insurance companies, I hate giving them my money. I have been in a few accidents in my time including one head on where you would have thought there were no survivors and only one person (the other driver) was hospitalized. no one was wearing belts. I had never been assaulted in traffic and I can tell you the seatbelt was a great impediment to me in that incident. even though the whole event was over in under one minute a lot occured in that minute. one can surely say that (parapharsing shakespear) all's well that ends well is true enough but had I been able to respond quicker there might be two guys in custody or deported by now which perhaps would have been a better outcome. sheer speculation at this point but never the less I won't be wearing seatbelts during in town driving any more.
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my point is that it should be your choice. I have only one seatbelt ticket in all these years.. I really resent the loss of choice.
I would be perfectly willing to pay more or less for insurance based on my seatbelt use. Just like we all pay more or less based on a lot of other things.
lazs
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You did fine Storch. In fact you won. Their well planned heist was stopped, and you put the idea in their head that they were about 4-6 lbs of pressure away from eternity. Something that I'm sure takes the edge off their cockiness. You may not have hit them back as physically hard as you would have liked, but you gave them a mental shock and had them running like little school girls. And, you avoided a huge legal and emotional hassle in the process by not pulling the trigger.
Just another case where an armed individual evened the odds and overcame a serious threat. You could have been killed, draggged to death or hit by a car, etc. even if they did not intend to murder. WTG. Another one of those undocumented saves that doesn't go in the official statistics book.
Charon
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Thing is that i really dont want to find out if i have a "glass jaw" or if any of the fancy blocks and counter moves i have learned in Nanbudo over the years actually works outside the ring.
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Thing is that i really dont want to find out if i have a "glass jaw" or if any of the fancy blocks and counter moves i have learned in Nanbudo over the years actually works outside the ring.
As long as you trained it full-speed, full-resistance sparring, it should work just fine. If it was compliant drilling, kata, & point sparring, then you got scammed by what's known as a McDojo. iirc, nanbudo has some judo elements in it. The phsyics of a uchi-mata or osoto gari don't change whether you're on a mat or on concrete. I'd venture to say it'd actually be more effective on the street, since you're throwing somebody onto concrete instead of a mat, and unless they've done that type of training, they're not going to be ready with a breakfall, and they'll hopefully have the wind knocked out of them and possibly broken ribs. Judo rocks.
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Yes, it has many elements from Judo. Been tinkering with it for about 18 years. On one of my few occational encounters with angry people he did find the asfalt rather hard to hit. Probably didnt feel good to have me sitting on him either, but he could have been too high to notice anything else than not beeing able to move. On the other occations they didnt get close enough.
You can read abit about it here: http://www.nanbudo.com/index.php?page=nanbudo.founderhistory
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know when you are in a fight.. when the fight has really started but no one has thrown a punch yet and then be that guy who throws the first punch.
This is what my dad taught me and it has served me well. Most people will do chest puffing, shoving, yelling, some sort of "preliminary" thing before it actually comes to blows. Recognize the point of no return first and be the first one to strike blows, don't fight fair as there is no such thing, and finish the fight. In other words, knocking a guy down then standing there as he gets back up is foolish. If it's a real fight, put him away.
but at the end of the foray I felt like I had gotten my bellybutton kicked and I felt ashamed of myself.
Storchie, in all seriousness, if you examine the goals of the individuals in your confrontation, you won a clear victory. Their goals were, probably, to get your truck and your tools by beating you into submission. Your goal was, by default, keeping your truck and survival without crippling injury. Seems to me your goal was clearly achieved and the BG's failed completely. Storchie 1, BG's 0. Well done, sir!
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I wasn't going to share this here because of the negative responses these types of machoy posts tend to draw.
Im just glad nobody introduced any negativity into Storchys post. :huh
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If you scream like a girl and fall on the ground yelling "Rape" it'll give you time to reach for that hidden folding blade in the buttcrack and chase off the Pineapples.
You'll get yer homework back and still be eligible for the Air Force Academy.
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I really, really don't like you AWMac, but that was darn funnay!
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Glad to hear you are okay Storch.
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Storch why not improvise a better belt release system? IIRC you have access to tooling machinery, and it wouldn't be a big project.
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I just think the chances of you needing no seatbelt to defend yourself are outweighed by the need in a severe crash. My friend isn't around now because of this same decision your making.
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I really, really don't like you AWMac, but that was darn funnay!
C'mon you know you like me Drunky.
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I just think the chances of you needing no seatbelt to defend yourself are outweighed by the need in a severe crash. My friend isn't around now because of this same decision your making.
agreed. i AM only around because, as i was leaving work one day about 7 years ago, i realized i hadn't buckled up, so i stopped, and put m belt on. 2 miles down the road, a lady in a saturn used me and my beautiful 12 second mustang to test the laws of physics. she crossed the center line, and i almost managed to dodge her. it totaled both cars. i was fine. she wasnt wearing her belt, and even with the airbag in hers, she still hit the windshield rather hard.
storch.....i've said bad things bout ya in the past dude, but please DON'T let this single incident make you stop wearing your belt. chances of it happening again are slim and none. chances of being involved in an accident that ou'll need it in? probably in the 50-50 range these days.
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Our experiences form our opinions, and naturally, if you live where there is little violent crime, you will not identify much with this post. If you have to live and operate daily in an area where you have to be alert, like Storch's work area, it is different from much of the USA, and most of us here would experience culture shock.
I'm not macho... the opposite - I'd just like to impart my personal knowledge and experience of fighting on the cement until muscle failure, and getting my bell rung, and remind our older friends that you only have so much time to win. If you are over 50, you just can't last long.
So do it fast, even if you are seeing stars, before you get tired out.
If you want to "victimproof" yourself, think about it ahead of time. This is your best bet to survive, but there are no guarentees. Thats it.
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Our experiences form our opinions, and naturally, if you live where there is little violent crime, you will not identify much with this post. If you have to live and operate daily in an area where you have to be alert, like Storch's work area, it is different from much of the USA, and most of us here would experience culture shock.
I'm not macho... the opposite - I'd just like to impart my personal knowledge and experience of fighting on the cement until muscle failure, and getting my bell rung, and remind our older friends that you only have so much time to win. If you are over 50, you just can't last long.
So do it fast, even if you are seeing stars, before you get tired out.
If you want to "victimproof" yourself, think about it ahead of time. This is your best bet to survive, but there are no guarentees. Thats it.
what you're saying is very true. for an idea though of where i live, i live in southern new jersey(commonly reffered to as the PRNJ). the town i live in, although going downhill, is sitll nice. the section i live in i can still sleep with my doors unlocked and/or opened. so far. 8 miles from me is camden. i'm pretty sure most of you have heard of that city, as i believe it once held the title of the most dangerous city in the country. when i used to tow, i did go into there a lot. i've been to parts of philly that, given the choice, i'd go to a combat zone in the sandbox first. i'm 46, and have been around this area most of my life. going into these areas is no culture shock for me. i DO however often wonder just WHY people that have to live there destroy things, mutilate them etc. i've been lucky to not ever have storches situation arise. the one time i did think something fishy was about to happen, they though they boxed me in, but apparently underestimated the skinny white dude in the ford superduty. i clipped the car that had me worried as i drove up the sidewalk, and punched the throttle. that was when i decided i loved the torque of the 7.3L powerstroke turbodiesel. one of them followed me for a bit, but nothing ever came of it. didn't matter though, as my doors were locked, and my foot would have stayed buried in that throttle to get me outta there.
anyway, i still stick with my original post..the best way to avoid the need for this stuff is to avoid going into these areas.
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storch.....i've said bad things bout ya in the past <<S>>
nothing anyone types to me or about me has ever bothered me on a BBS. thanks for your concern just the same. <S>
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If you are over 50, you just can't last long.
Gunthr you may want to check your figures on that one there! Do a search for the 70 or over unarmed WWII paratrooper vet that was on a cruise vacation that took on 3 armed punks! He killed 1 and subdued the other 2! People over 50 are not helpless, and most have life experience that will out weigh the youth advantage. Old age and trechery will overcome youth and vigor a lot of the time.
Just because someone is old don't expect them to be helpless and if they're a young punk don't expect them to be smart.
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If you are over 50, you just can't last long.
Gunthr you may want to check your figures on that one there! Do a search for the 70 or over unarmed WWII paratrooper vet that was on a cruise vacation that took on 3 armed punks! He killed 1 and subdued the other 2! People over 50 are not helpless, and most have life experience that will out weigh the youth advantage. Old age and trechery will overcome youth and vigor a lot of the time.
Just because someone is old don't expect them to be helpless and if they're a young punk don't expect them to be smart.
I run with my 18 year old son fairly regularly. believe me if he wanted to sprint ahead and leave me wheezing in his dust he could easily do so. gunthr is correct, you have to conclude your business rapidly and yes treachery will help I'm sure. I kind of wonder if the youths who assaulted me might not have selected me because of my age as much as because they may have seen the contents of the truck when it was open during the service call or perhaps the two factors combined. I wonder if they might not have done something similar before.
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fast feet and good balance help :D
Some muscle does too.
And so does complete brutality :devil
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Jack, I think you made the right call. On the other hand I would have liked to have heard about you capping 2 punks that don't need to be breathing the same air as you. Think of it this way; who are they going to prey on next and who's to say that victim (or victims) will survive it without any significant injury?
As for the seatbelt, that's your choice.
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i would have shot a round for each punch just over their heads... in an effort to get them to drop their purses and mud their shorts.
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Im just glad nobody introduced any negativity into Storchys post. :huh
I was going to but Skuzzy's been in a bad mood recently, so I decided not to. :uhoh
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I was going to but Skuzzy's been in a bad mood recently, so I decided not to. :uhoh
I hear ya. I mean after the server probs and Lumpy's remarks, Skuzzy will not hesitate to go Yoda on anyone.
You're the Man Skuzzy! :aok
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I hear ya. I mean after the server probs and Lumpy's remarks, Skuzzy will not hesitate to go Yoda on anyone.
You're the Man Skuzzy! :aok
Lumpy's remarks? Please tell... at least the non-skuzzy-offending version. Roy has slapped me a time or two(I deserved it, took my lumps) but I still like the guy.. wouldn't want to irk him needlessly
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Not tellin, I was just an observer.
Skuzz is fair and just. Some like to push his buttons though.
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I was going to but Skuzzy's been in a bad mood recently, so I decided not to. :uhoh
I don't care what you type to me or about me. it's nice to see the pavlovian conditioning working well though.
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so i stopped, and put m belt on. 2 miles down the road, a lady in a saturn used me and my beautiful 12 second mustang to test the laws of physics. she crossed the center line,
If you hadn't stopped to put the belt on, you'd probably have been past her when she crossed the centerline and your Mustang wouldn't have been trashed.
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If you hadn't stopped to put the belt on, you'd probably have been past her when she crossed the centerline and your Mustang wouldn't have been trashed.
:devil
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Golly-geemmmit!!!!!!!!!!! did you HAVE to make me think of that now????!!!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I pissed off Pyro and got a 7 day ban....watch what you say, don't go over the line.
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I pissed off Pyro and got a 7 day ban....watch what you say, don't go over the line.
I made him mad and he discoed me!
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I don't care what you type to me or about me. it's nice to see the pavlovian conditioning working well though.
Yeah, that's pure conditioned reflex right there. Took years to develop it. ;)
Now I COULD say that I don't care that you don't care, but you'd probably reply that you don't care that I don't care that you don't care so instead I'll just say I'm glad it turned out better than it could have and you're OK. :aok
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Yeah, that's pure conditioned reflex right there. Took years to develop it. ;)
Now I COULD say that I don't care that you don't care, but you'd probably reply that you don't care that I don't care that you don't care so instead I'll just say I'm glad it turned out better than it could have and you're OK. :aok
ya well I still don't care
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You cared enough to type a response.
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non chalantly and totally non plussed
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non chalantly and totally non plussed
i dunno, i think he's got ya there........
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I pissed off Pyro and got a 7 day ban....watch what you say, don't go over the line.
Hell Pyro is a mellow guy. What did you say to get banned?
Please tell us....
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it's a bulletin board!! how can you be "gotten"? besides that even if he did "get me" in your opinion, I still wouldn't care because well, I simply don't care.
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no, I think he meant that you got me... But I didn't care enough to ask.
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non chalantly and totally non plussed
Actually, were the word nonplussed defined correctly, it means nearly the opposite of nonchalantly. It is in very recent times that people have mistakenly used it so often that they assume it's meaning is something other than what it actually is.
The correct definition of nonplussed is: perplexed, at a loss for words, bewildered.
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steve, I meant that I'm unperturbed by people's opinions as we are each entitled to our own and I'm not in the habit of of second guessing myself and furthermore I'm bewildered why anyone would not think along the same lines or believe that I didn't. I just used far fewer words to do so. I did mis-spell nonplussed so I thank you for your correction, not that I care deeply though.
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Last fight I was in Nixon was President.
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steve, I meant that I'm unperturbed by people's opinions as we are each entitled to our own and I'm not in the habit of of second guessing myself and furthermore I'm bewildered why anyone would not think along the same lines or believe that I didn't. I just used far fewer words to do so. I did mis-spell nonplussed so I thank you for your correction, not that I care deeply though.
I care deeply, for you. I love you, man.
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Time to hide the beer....