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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wrag on June 03, 2008, 12:07:45 AM
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Looks like it's coming ..................
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080602/tec_time_warner_cable_internet.html?.v=4
as the way things go it's starting out small then going to go UP............
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Question is, how much bandwith does AH use per hour?
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the day it does, is the day I unplug.
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This will be very interesting to watch.
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I just unplug and hide the webcam....
:huh
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Question is, how much bandwith does AH use per hour?
Is there a way to tell? I would like to know.
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This is what happens when you try to stop ISPs shaping/managing bandwidth. Someone has to pay for the infrastructure.
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"The metered Internet has been tried and tested and rejected by the consumers overwhelmingly since the days of AOL,"
Been there done that...
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The cable companies are pushing for this.
I do know that it has been brought up in verizon's internal newsletter.
Not a direct quote but the gist is this:
Verizon will not be doing any metering of internet usage. We will let the cable companies meter theirs and when their customers leave them in droves Verizon will welcome them with open arms and absolutely no metered restrictions!! :rock :rock
This includes Verizon's FIOS and Verizon's HSI (ie DSL service)
The main reason the cable companies and are going to the metered system is because (as the article states) they are structured differently meaning people "share" their bandwidth with everyone else. Personally I wouldnt use a cable co. for my internet even if it was free.....WAY to many issues
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I'd kill for a Japanese/Korean internet speed and bandwidth!
Prices Per Megabit US$ Per Megabit
Japan 0.70
Korea (R.O.K) 0.80
Taiwan, China 1.80
Iceland 2.00
Sweden 2.50
United States 4.90
Netherlands 7.30
Finland 7.30
Hong Kong, China 8.30
Canada 10.50
Macao, China 11.60
Belgium 12.20
United Kingdom 13.50
Singapore 15.90
Israel 32.50
Denmark 32.70
Switzerland 33.50
France 36.70
Norway 62.60
Austria 65.10
Source: ITU Internet Reports 2005
Also, I watch hi-quality streaming videos online, torrenting, and listen to internet radio with bit-rates higher than 192. I can easily exceed Time Warner's 5 gb cap in just 2 weeks :mad:
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The cable companies are pushing for this.
I do know that it has been brought up in verizon's internal newsletter.
Not a direct quote but the gist is this:
Verizon will not be doing any metering of internet usage. We will let the cable companies meter theirs and when their customers leave them in droves Verizon will welcome them with open arms and absolutely no metered restrictions!! :rock :rock
This includes Verizon's FIOS and Verizon's HSI (ie DSL service)
The main reason the cable companies and are going to the metered system is because (as the article states) they are structured differently meaning people "share" their bandwidth with everyone else. Personally I wouldnt use a cable co. for my internet even if it was free.....WAY to many issues
This is laughable....
Are you telling me that FIOS and DSL customers on the Verizon network do not share the company's bandwidth? Did you hit your head?
I fix cable issues everyday and have many, many happy customers. AT&T is launching a FIOS style product here in Tulsa and they are sinking millions in infrastructure. It will be a formidable competitor, don't get me wrong. But, to think that FIOS and DSL will be without problems is the dumbest thing I've heard in a very long time. Verizon has a great product. If cable goes metered, you will see all ISP's go metered.
:aok
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Problem is Japanese Int'll bandwidth sucks, they're focussed primarily on local content.
And don't forget the japanese fuzzy out the squidgy bits on their pr0n.
I'd kill for a Japanese/Korean internet speed and bandwidth!
Prices Per Megabit US$ Per Megabit
Japan 0.70
Korea (R.O.K) 0.80
Taiwan, China 1.80
Iceland 2.00
Sweden 2.50
United States 4.90
Netherlands 7.30
Finland 7.30
Hong Kong, China 8.30
Canada 10.50
Macao, China 11.60
Belgium 12.20
United Kingdom 13.50
Singapore 15.90
Israel 32.50
Denmark 32.70
Switzerland 33.50
France 36.70
Norway 62.60
Austria 65.10
Source: ITU Internet Reports 2005
Also, I watch hi-quality streaming videos online, torrenting, and listen to internet radio with bit-rates higher than 192. I can easily exceed Time Warner's 5 gb cap in just 2 weeks :mad:
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This is laughable....
Are you telling me that FIOS and DSL customers on the Verizon network do not share the company's bandwidth? Did you hit your head?
I fix cable issues everyday and have many, many happy customers. AT&T is launching a FIOS style product here in Tulsa and they are sinking millions in infrastructure. It will be a formidable competitor, don't get me wrong. But, to think that FIOS and DSL will be without problems is the dumbest thing I've heard in a very long time. Verizon has a great product. If cable goes metered, you will see all ISP's go metered.
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That's all good but I really wish AT&T would refocuse on the short-comings of Uverse before any internet related projects. I can't believe how far short Uverse comes compared to what I had with Time-Warner.
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Del, AH uses very little, Gaming in general doesnt use much.
If you use 3rd party Vox like ventrilo it pushes it up a bit more but again as long as you arent downloading movies and porn 24/7 it shouldnt be a problem.
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Coincidentally i received a letter this morning notifying me that my isp is now capping everyones broadband during the day.
between 10am-3pm i can only d/l 1gb
between 3pm-9pm it's 0.5gb
with a maximum speed of 1MB. i'm paying for 2MB broadband yet for 11hrs of the day the maximum speed i can achieve is 1MB!
They point out that other isp's charge you if you go over certain limits, but they're too nice to do a thing like that. Oh gee! that's great! instead they're stopping my internet all together, should i go over these newly imposed caps.
If I hadn't cancelled already because i'm moving house in a couple of weeks i would do so now.
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benefit for working for an ISP.
up to 24mb speed, get around 8-10gb down. 15gb usage a month £12 :D. Our equipment in the exchange so it is tweaked for maximum stability.
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Metering is not a new idea. It was tried by many ISP's who are no longer in business.
Verizon just raises their rates for everyone to compensate for the bandwidth usage. They do have an edge over cable companies. They are part of the telecommunications base that runs the equipment which the Internet uses. The cost of bandwidth for them is going to be less than than the cable companies.
Cable companies only own their network and have to buy bandwidth from Tier 1 ISP's to be on the Internet.
When Verizon needs to bridge to another ISP's network, they can make peering arrangements which are far cheaper than having to buy the bandwidth outright.
The cable Internet business plan has been doomed from the start. @Home was the worst beginning the cable industry could have for Internet service. They opened it up far too cheap to ever be profitable and everyone else followed suit. There is no way the cable companies will ever be able to match what the phone companies can offer for Internet, for the same price and still maintain a viable business. They are struggling as it is.
The problem we will be facing in the near future is a phone company who wants to own it all. Verizon has and continues to use some very underhanded methods to kill its competition. I know, as I was a victim of those methods. Nothing can be done as they are protected by the State of Texas. Texas does not want to lose a large employer such as Verizon, so they not only turn their collective cheeks to what is going on, they also provide protection through the Texas Public Utilities Commission.
Verizon got a new one passed on the people of Texas just recently. It is a fee based on non-usage of long distance services. That's right. If you are a Verizon customer in Texas, you now have to pay $3.50 a month for non-use of long distance service. If you are in Verizon territory, you have no choice on phone service any longer.
As FIOS is wholly owned by Verizon, they are not required to share it with any other phone company. So they are turning down the copper where it goes in and voila; you no longer have a choice in phone service.
People do not see this coming, until it is too late. Of course, this will happen in Texas. It may not happen in other states, if the PUC at other states is on the ball, but in Texas, the PUC is Verizon's ball.
I digress. I suspect the cable companies are simply making noise about the usage fee to gauge reaction and then determine if the Internet portion of their service can remain viable. Time will tell.
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This is laughable....
Are you telling me that FIOS and DSL customers on the Verizon network do not share the company's bandwidth? Did you hit your head?
I fix cable issues everyday and have many, many happy customers. AT&T is launching a FIOS style product here in Tulsa and they are sinking millions in infrastructure. It will be a formidable competitor, don't get me wrong. But, to think that FIOS and DSL will be without problems is the dumbest thing I've heard in a very long time. Verizon has a great product. If cable goes metered, you will see all ISP's go metered.
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I think you might want to reread my post. I merely said that verizon isnt going to be metering custs internet usage.
I also never said that fios cust and dsl cust dont "share" bandwidth I said that the cable companies system is STRUCTURED differently.
I also NEVER said there was no problems.
As for ATT's "fios" style service, I know a few ppl with it and tho its better than the cable companies it just doesnt compare to FIOS. Verizon's is FTTP whereas ATT is fiber to the curb IE to the neighborhood copper crossbox.
AS for the problems with FIOS as a Verizon installer I'm well aware of our issues and they pale in comparison to the cable companies. I dont know alot about ATT's system but as I stated I know some folks who have it and have heard of some of their limitations and issues.
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As FIOS is wholly owned by Verizon, they are not required to share it with any other phone company. So they are turning down the copper where it goes in and voila; you no longer have a choice in phone service.
I wont argue with ya skuzzy on the underhanded meathods that verizon and ATT both use. AS a union member and steward I see it all the time.
AS for turning down the copper, I havent see it. I install fios and I know our copper techs are still busy as any other time. Verizon isnt going to sink and money into their copper plant except what the Texas PUC makes em do. Just isnt cost effective. I have installed plenty of custs that use SBC or ATT STILL on our existing copper lines while we install FIOS for their intardnet and video service.
Then their is also the VoIP stuff like ...Vonage :rolleyes:.
I respect your veiws and agree with many of em skuzzy but the part of turning down the copper and the PUC letting them is erroneous.
Thats not to say that in your area their wasnt some "issue" with the old copper plant that Verizon is going to upgrade...just not cost effective to do so unless they are forced to.
The area I work in (Garland, Tx) has the OLDEST copper plant in the DFW area and there are plenty of ppl still on it.
It all boils down to this IMNSHO both the telecomm companies and the cable companies are out to make a buck, if screwing the custs is what it takes...then "bohica". ?Ya just gotta go with the outfit that uses the most KY <if any>.
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i'm capped @ 95 gb a month...
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Willcard, I got a notice than Verizon is moving off the copper in my neighborhood and all phone service will be switched to run off the fiber. It was all nice and sweet about all the wonderful advantages.
I am keeping my copper and hunting for a new phone company after that and the final blow being charged for not using long distance. I am not going to support a company who is trying very hard to be the only phone company in town and acting like it.
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Cable companies only own their network and have to buy bandwidth from Tier 1 ISP's to be on the Internet.
Time Warner Cable is in slightly different position, since both, TWC (includes RR) and ATDN (tier 1) are subsidiaries of Time Warner Inc.