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Title: Another rant about maps
Post by: MajIssue on June 03, 2008, 02:15:56 PM
I have posted on this subject before... but the same ol' stuff keeps happening.

As I promised on 200 last night after the reset, my latest rant on maps.


Monday Afternoon: Orange-Baltic, Blue-Baltic
Monday night after Bish Reset: Orange-Baltic, Blue-Uterus

When is sombody at HTC going to get it?!?!!

1. NEVER HAVE the same map in both LW arenas
2. ALWAYS HAVE 1 large and 1 small map in the LW arenas
3. DESTROY/DELETE/OVERWRITE the Baltic, NDIsles and Uterus maps
4. Change up the rotation so that OCCASIONALLY there is something different
5. ALWAYS have a large map on Titanic Tuesdays, and change the map at the conclusion of that "Titanic" event!

Let the usual suspects begin flaming! :P
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Lusche on June 03, 2008, 02:18:31 PM
3. DESTROY/DELETE/OVERWRITE the Baltic, NDIsles and Uterus maps


Of course.. you do not like that maps, so they should be deleted. Who cares if other players do enjoy them...
Maybe we should also delete the planes you don't like? Remove some aspects from gameplay you don't use?

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5. ALWAYS have a large map on Titanic Tuesdays

Not long ago HT stated that it should be that way.. seems like ... "someone" ... has forgotten about it  ;)

It is always supposed to have a big map, just did not know skuzzy had not got the memo.


Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: MajIssue on June 03, 2008, 02:20:51 PM


Let the usual suspects begin flaming! :P


Point taken Lusche
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Lusche on June 03, 2008, 02:28:00 PM
"Someone" has fixed the TT map :)
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Motherland on June 03, 2008, 02:36:00 PM
I like all three of those maps.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: crockett on June 03, 2008, 02:58:01 PM
I have posted on this subject before... but the same ol' stuff keeps happening.

As I promised on 200 last night after the reset, my latest rant on maps.


Monday Afternoon: Orange-Baltic, Blue-Baltic
Monday night after Bish Reset: Orange-Baltic, Blue-Uterus

When is sombody at HTC going to get it?!?!!

1. NEVER HAVE the same map in both LW arenas
2. ALWAYS HAVE 1 large and 1 small map in the LW arenas
3. DESTROY/DELETE/OVERWRITE the Baltic, NDIsles and Uterus maps
4. Change up the rotation so that OCCASIONALLY there is something different
5. ALWAYS have a large map on Titanic Tuesdays, and change the map at the conclusion of that "Titanic" event!

Let the usual suspects begin flaming! :P


Actually Baltic, NDIsles and Uterus maps are welcome changes of pace these days now that it's typically nothing but a large maps week after week.

I really just wish HTC would do a map change each week when the arena is reset Weds morning. It's nice to have a mix of everything and not just the same map week after week. Sure before the large maps came back those 3 were getting a bit old, but it's not so bad having them now.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Bosco123 on June 03, 2008, 03:06:48 PM
The only map that I don't like is the one that we were using last night. Its a giant furball, and that sometimes gets annoying too. I like the thought that Big maps for Titanic Tuesdays.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: SoonerMP on June 03, 2008, 03:35:24 PM
Way to jump to conclusions "Oh Mighty" Lusche....   Before you get your shorts in a wad you might take a minute to read and think about the initial post. I think that Maj is stating a valid point that some change would be nice in the map selection. I know it takes time to create new maps and all but a quicker rotation of maps or bringing back some old maps would be helpful until new maps can be made.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: KTM520guy on June 03, 2008, 03:35:45 PM
I like all three of those maps.

You may be the only one. Those maps need to be sent to file 13.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Impakt on June 03, 2008, 03:40:23 PM
I am quite happy with AH and despite a recent update at my old sim I'll be staying here where I think the game and the FMs are better. BUT I REALLY think the maps here---in general--- are not very good. It is obvious to see where the same terrain has been endlessly pasted with their repeated patterns. The maps and terrains could be GREATLY improved to make the game much more appealing. IMO, this is the single greatest shortcoming of AH.  Rather than add new toys they should make a concerted effort to get some good maps. The "pizza" and "magic mountain" maps are, imo, so ridiculous that I will log out rather than play on them. Sorry, great game overall---but others do this aspect better.

Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Motherland on June 03, 2008, 03:41:55 PM
I am quite happy with AH and despite a recent update at my old sim I'll be staying here where I think the game and the FMs are better. BUT I REALLY think the maps here---in general--- are not very good. It is obvious to see where the same terrain has been endlessly pasted with their repeated patterns. The maps and terrains could be GREATLY improved to make the game much more appealing. IMO, this is the single greatest shortcoming of AH.  Rather than add new toys they should make a concerted effort to get some good maps. The "pizza" and "magic mountain" maps are, imo, so ridiculous that I will log out rather than play on them. Sorry, great game overall---but others do this aspect better.



Then make one.
http://flyaceshigh.com/download/dlterraine.html (http://flyaceshigh.com/download/dlterraine.html)






Honestly, IMO, the maps are all the same, except for Trinity and NDisles which are the best two in the game due to their tank towns.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Lusche on June 03, 2008, 03:42:14 PM
You may be the only one.

He isn't the only one...

I could name quite few maps I dislike, but those three are not among them.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Yknurd on June 03, 2008, 04:04:22 PM
I have posted on this subject before... but the same ol' stuff keeps happening.


By Einstein's definition, then you are an idiot.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Noir on June 03, 2008, 04:13:46 PM
some maps are just so easy to defend it gets boring at some point...

What about a good old capture the flag mode ? :)
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Soulyss on June 03, 2008, 05:09:34 PM
You may be the only one. Those maps need to be sent to file 13.

Well that would make me one of the only 2 then, those are 3 of my favorite maps.  Wish they'd bring back Mindanao (at least in the MW) while they were at it. 
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Stang on June 03, 2008, 05:12:35 PM
Having the big maps in one LW and small in another would be fine with me.  All the toolsheddies could hang in one playing grabass while the other arena would be available to those with limited time looking for a fight.  Of course the big map arena would still be open to a little party crashing by the furballers.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: angelsandair on June 03, 2008, 05:44:24 PM
*COUGH*DONUT MAP AND FIGHTERTOWN*COUGH*  :P

Also, I havent seen Tank Town Map in a good while, put that back up there. Everybody loves that map.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: NoBaddy on June 03, 2008, 05:52:05 PM
Bottomline, if the map that is up bothers you that much.........you are doin' something wrong.  :D
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Impakt on June 03, 2008, 09:38:32 PM
Bottomline if you went and looked at the maps in other sims you would realize just how bad these are. Don't get me wrong THIS is the best Sim of the three I've flown by a longshot----but the maps are second rate. I don't want to make one---can I copy one from another game??
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: cobia38 on June 03, 2008, 09:54:46 PM
bring back trinity,AKDesert,big isle,festerma and mindo
 while ther at it  :aok
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: angelsandair on June 03, 2008, 10:01:19 PM
BRING BACK DONUT MAP!! :D
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Simba on June 04, 2008, 07:44:20 AM
I just lurv the Himalayas map, with its mountains as high as Everest and with greenery well above the normal treeline; truly amazing, makes me appreciate the efforts of the 'tween-wars RAF biplanes in NW India even more.

Which reminds me, it's the 75th anniversary of the first flight over the mighty mountain, when a Westland Wallace built not many miles from where I'm writing this did it twice. The camera froze solid on the first trip.

{S} to all bold flyers everywhere they may roam.

 :salute
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: CAP1 on June 04, 2008, 08:03:13 AM
I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE MAPS BY NAMES...BUT the only ones i don't really like, are the ones that havbe all of the bases in valleys, and the terrain is around 7k or so. the one i like the best is the one with a bunch of islands, and the middle island has tanktown on it.

<<S>>
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Rich46yo on June 04, 2008, 08:13:41 AM
My only problem with Lake Uterus is the thing is like a Vampire and you have to drive a stake thru it for someone to actually win it. I remember that one time it was up for weeks and the Battle for A9 was fought in shifts and was more like trench warfare then ariel combat.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: redman555 on June 04, 2008, 09:02:31 AM
i am getting very sick of these maps...... i wish they would put some of the older maps back in, fighter town, and stuff


-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Bruv119 on June 04, 2008, 09:16:06 AM
rotation, rotation , rotation.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: BaldEagl on June 04, 2008, 09:16:27 AM
I know no one asked for my opinion but here it is:

1.  All small maps in one arena and all big maps in the other (LWA's).
2.  No caps (or permanent caps at ~450 in each arena).
3.  Rotate ALL the small maps (including Mindi) in the small map arena.
4.  Rotate ALL the big maps (bring back Trinity, Donut, Pizza and the rest of the "lost" maps) in the other arena.
5.  Bring back weekly re-sets if there hasn't been a player re-set.

Now is that so hard?
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: DCCBOSS on June 04, 2008, 09:45:42 AM
Why not take existing maps such as the AVA & FSO they are already made so what would be the problem with incorporating them into a new hybrid type map :salute
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: haasehole on June 04, 2008, 09:48:22 AM
 more rotation, only been flying for about 9 months would like to see some of the (old) maps :salute
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: MajIssue on June 04, 2008, 10:06:48 AM
By Einstein's definition, then you are an idiot.
Surprising that a mental case like yourself can spell Einstein, given that, Prof. Einstein was a a Nobel Laureate in PHYSICS... Perhaps Dr. Freud, Dr. Jung or a qualified mental heath professional could address your obvious personality disorders, but I fear that this wish is far from probable.

BTW YKnurd I have not forgotten your post in response to my Mother's untimely passing... I am surprised that you are not banned from this forum.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: MajIssue on June 04, 2008, 10:07:42 AM
I know no one asked for my opinion but here it is:

1.  All small maps in one arena and all big maps in the other (LWA's).
2.  No caps (or permanent caps at ~450 in each arena).
3.  Rotate ALL the small maps (including Mindi) in the small map arena.
4.  Rotate ALL the big maps (bring back Trinity, Donut, Pizza and the rest of the "lost" maps) in the other arena.
5.  Bring back weekly re-sets if there hasn't been a player re-set.

Now is that so hard?

Good points Baldeagle
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: JimmyC on June 04, 2008, 10:14:47 AM
I want to see some of Croduh`s new maps :pray
he would bring loads of new flavour to AH
<S> Jimmy
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: betty on June 04, 2008, 10:32:38 AM
BRING BACK THE DONUT MAP!!!!


that is all :)

oh and IN
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Yknurd on June 04, 2008, 11:44:45 AM
Surprising that a mental case like yourself can spell Einstein, given that, Prof. Einstein was a a Nobel Laureate in PHYSICS... Perhaps Dr. Freud, Dr. Jung or a qualified mental heath professional could address your obvious personality disorders, but I fear that this wish is far from probable.

BTW YKnurd I have not forgotten your post in response to my Mother's untimely passing... I am surprised that you are not banned from this forum.

I profusely apologize...for quoting Einstein wrong.

You, sir, are insane as defined by Einstein.

Quote
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
- Albert Einstein

You are an idiot as defined by me.  Perhaps you should go read that post again and define the exact moment that necessitates my banning.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Banshee7 on June 04, 2008, 12:08:03 PM
3. DESTROY/DELETE/OVERWRITE the Baltic, NDIsles and Uterus maps

IMHO the best maps we have.  Short flights..good furballs.  but of course we furballers have no opinions because the war has to be won
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: SoonerMP on June 04, 2008, 12:13:56 PM


Do you really want to go down this road again Ykturd? Didn't learn your lesson?  By my definition you are the retard who started the verbal attacks in this thread. Think before you type next time.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Yknurd on June 04, 2008, 12:21:29 PM
I'm not sure what lesson you think I should have learned.

MajIssue admitted that he was starting another (another) thread about a repetitiously (again) posted subject and that has resulted in the past with no change (still).

Then what's the bloody point?  There is probably a reason that nothing has happened and I seriously doubt another post on the subject is going to affect any change.

Be a good boy and run along now.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Banshee7 on June 04, 2008, 12:27:48 PM
i love this guy  :lol
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: NoBaddy on June 04, 2008, 12:50:52 PM
Bottomline if you went and looked at the maps in other sims you would realize just how bad these are. Don't get me wrong THIS is the best Sim of the three I've flown by a longshot----but the maps are second rate. I don't want to make one---can I copy one from another game??


Below your bottomline....

My point is that if you care so much about the maps, you are doing something wrong. The game isn't about the maps, its about combat. Just a thought, do you think that the time you want spent on maps could, in some part, be one reason why this game is better than its competitors?

Start being proactive. All of the tools are available. There are plenty of folks that have created maps and they are willing to assist anyone in the creation of a new map. Oh...BTW, I speak from experience. I've made a map....what have you done besides complain?  :D :salute
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: SunBat on June 04, 2008, 01:17:19 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again (since that seems to be a secondary theme in this thread anyway):

All any map really needs is three bases (that can't be captured) in a triangle.  The rest is gravy. 
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: BaldEagl on June 04, 2008, 01:27:58 PM
My point is that if you care so much about the maps, you are doing something wrong. The game isn't about the maps, its about combat.

I've said it before and now I'll say it again... some maps restrict play.

Try playing from a CV on mid mesa.
Try flying high alt buffs on beta.
Try finding a good GV battle on NDIsles outside of tank town or on Compello (most of the time).

There are other examples.  Not that there's anything wrong with any of those maps, but if they are in both arenas at once entire aspects of the game are gone.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: MajIssue on June 04, 2008, 02:17:37 PM
I profusely apologize...for quoting Einstein wrong.

You, sir, are insane as defined by Einstein.

You are an idiot as defined by me.  Perhaps you should go read that post again and define the exact moment that necessitates my banning.
The feeling is mutual...

IMHO you sir are a self centered and callous individual. I loathe persons that hold those values and you sir, are at the top of that catagory...

Calling someone an idiot because you happen to hold a different opiion is not only shallow minded, it is just plain wrong. If you have a different opinion, PLEASE make your case! Calling names just indicates your lack of depth and inability to back up your opinions with anything other than your own misguided pre-judgements.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: NoBaddy on June 04, 2008, 02:33:57 PM
I've said it before and now I'll say it again... some maps restrict play.

Try playing from a CV on mid mesa.
Try flying high alt buffs on beta.
Try finding a good GV battle on NDIsles outside of tank town or on Compello (most of the time).

There are other examples.  Not that there's anything wrong with any of those maps, but if they are in both arenas at once entire aspects of the game are gone.

...and where does it say that all aspects for the game will be available at all times? Every map I've seen (and I've seen them all) has aspects which in some way impact game play in negative ways. Because the game play in the MA's is open ended, there is no PERFECT map.

BE...

Sri, bud. I simply happen to be more of a mind to make lemonade than whine about sour fruit. :)
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Nwbie on June 04, 2008, 02:49:24 PM
INteresting subject matter

Fidel was a great map maker - we need to bring him back




 :O


Newbs
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Yknurd on June 04, 2008, 02:54:54 PM
IMHO you sir are a self centered and callous individual. I loathe persons that hold those values and you sir, are at the top of that catagory...

Calling someone an idiot because you happen to hold a different opiion is not only shallow minded, it is just plain wrong.
category and opiion

I loathe persons that cannot spell.


Calling names just indicates your lack of depth and inability to back up your opinions with anything other than your own misguided pre-judgements.
No, I called you an idiot not because of any suspected 'lack of depth' on my part.  I called you an idiot because that is what I believe you to be.

You posted a post about something that has been posted ad infinitum.  No effect has been recognized, yet you post AGAIN!  You even acknowledged your own ineffectiveness in the first line of your post.

[sarcastic British humour]Brilliant![/sarcastic British humour]
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: hubsonfire on June 04, 2008, 03:10:37 PM
category and opiion

I loathe persons that cannot spell.

Opinion.  ;)
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Yknurd on June 04, 2008, 03:16:32 PM
Opinion.  ;)

Now that IS funny.  I copy and pasted his words and neglected to correct is misspelling while chastising him about spelling.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: SoonerMP on June 04, 2008, 03:54:42 PM
Now that IS funny.  I copy and pasted his words and neglected to correct is misspelling while chastising him about spelling.

Well, I will have to address you as Fool (Ykturd) from now on. You seem to be missing the point here. Some of us want new maps or at least a better rotation of maps. Making a second post about this will hopefully show that again to HiTech and hopefully they will take note of it. As for you, do you even play the game? Because I have never seen you on.  Do you take out your frustrated childhood on the forums? I dont know the answer to either... All you seem to do is start verbal poo throwing contests for no reason. I suppose if there was an "Internet Toughguy Wannabe Award" you might win that... or possibly that Miss Teen Beauty Pagent you secretly always desired....
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Nwbie on June 04, 2008, 03:59:53 PM
Now that IS funny.  I copy and pasted his words and neglected to correct is misspelling while chastising him about spelling.
correct his misspelling


IN


lol

Newbs
 :aok
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Noir on June 04, 2008, 04:03:37 PM
back on the topic...

someone said that being proactive is the best way to make things change...I agree with that, there are people who spent weeks to make good maps that people enjoy.

Problem is that these maps are always dumped after a week of map rotation, even if the players enjoyed it.

I just don't get it...lack of thrust from HTC ? technical reasons ? hardcore mickey mouse fans ? copy/paste frenzy for the sake of fairness ? Who cares about fairness ? Jack Daniels did hit the spot I'm going to bed now.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: angelsandair on June 04, 2008, 04:07:51 PM
i am getting very sick of these maps...... i wish they would put some of the older maps back in, fighter town, and stuff


-BigBOBCH

fighter town map is Donut.

I got a screenshot of what it looks like right here.


(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh71/1pLUs44/ahss51.jpg)

I still wonder why people caused it to get taken other than the fact of WHINERS. and the fact that people would always take the fighter-town bases. I would propose that we make them indestructable, but it's not up to me anyways.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Noir on June 04, 2008, 04:12:31 PM
fighter town map is Donut.

I got a screenshot of what it looks like right here.


(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh71/1pLUs44/ahss51.jpg)

I still wonder why people caused it to get taken other than the fact of WHINERS. and the fact that people would always take the fighter-town bases. I would propose that we make them indestructable, but it's not up to me anyways.


With AH as it is right now, you can't make a single field uncapturable or indestructible. F6Bomber (the map creator) tried to make the town as close as possible to the field to make the capture more difficult. BTW this map is a beta, HTC never allowed the final version to go online.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: NoBaddy on June 04, 2008, 04:25:01 PM
OUCHY!!!

I think someone got his panties in a knot!!!




BTW, I call Drunky a fool all the time.  :rock
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Yknurd on June 04, 2008, 05:18:42 PM
LOL.  Did you stomp your feet while you typed this?

Well, I will have to address you as Fool (Ykturd) from now on. You seem to be missing the point here. Some of us want new maps or at least a better rotation of maps. Making a second post about this will hopefully show that again to HiTech and hopefully they will take note of it.
Second?  You are off by a order of magnitude to the actual number of threads started about maps.

So, it's dreadfully important to you, but not important enough to make any maps yourself?   Cue ridiculous excuses why you can't make any maps.

Do you really think HTC doesn't have a plan for maps?  Is he sitting there doing nothing without the impetus your post provides?  Do you think that your single post will make him go, "Hey!  That guy from the BBS is right.  Pyro!  Stop work on CT!  Rosie stop answering phone and learn to program!  We need to get maps out RIGHT NOW!!!!" ?

As for you, do you even play the game? Because I have never seen you on.
Do YOU play?  I've never seen YOU on.  Hey!  This is fun.  I'll do another one.

Bet you've never seen me poop.  But I still do.

Of course since I don't fly in the arena that you fly and I don't fly at the same times that you fly this simply means that I don't fly at all and only troll the boards.  Right?

Do you take out your frustrated childhood on the forums? I dont know the answer to either... All you seem to do is start verbal poo throwing contests for no reason. I suppose if there was an "Internet Toughguy Wannabe Award" you might win that... or possibly that Miss Teen Beauty Pagent you secretly always desired....
"frustrated childhood"?  Yeah, as a kid and a Mensa member I was extremely frustrated, but I doubt that is what you mean.

"no reason"?  Stop making stupid posts and you stop giving me reasons.

"awards"?  I imagine you are the skinny little kid sitting in your mom's basement acting tough and frustrated by your secret desires.

Me?  I'm just me... direct, straightforward, opinionated, and abrasive because I don't suffer fools or idiots well.


P.S.  NB can call me fool anytime he wants.  He understands.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: NoBaddy on June 04, 2008, 05:25:56 PM
P.S.  NB can call me fool anytime he wants.  He understands.

There in lies the magic....takes one to know one. :) :salute
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Impakt on June 04, 2008, 05:26:24 PM
Are there any people here actually interested in this game as an historical simulation?? Why all of the "fantasy world" maps? How about some theater specific maps that will provide some sense of immersion---even if it is the main arena--we need, imo, a fitting backdrop for the planes.

    Who threw in all of the idiotic windmills that don't even give an impression of Market-Garden?? Or worse yet the silly red barns that look like they belong in an "old MacDonald" sim and not WWII, or at best in Iowa rather than any of the real theaters of operation. Oddly, they did quite a good job on the refineries. They should do the same thing with theater specific architecture and terrain. WBs and TW have done this well----go copy them.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Motherland on June 04, 2008, 05:26:32 PM
Well, I will have to address you as Fool (Ykturd) from now on. You seem to be missing the point here. Some of us want new maps or at least a better rotation of maps. Making a second post about this will hopefully show that again to HiTech and hopefully they will take note of it. As for you, do you even play the game? Because I have never seen you on.  Do you take out your frustrated childhood on the forums? I dont know the answer to either... All you seem to do is start verbal poo throwing contests for no reason. I suppose if there was an "Internet Toughguy Wannabe Award" you might win that... or possibly that Miss Teen Beauty Pagent you secretly always desired....

As I stated before:
You want new maps? Our current maps suck? Then get up and make one. Believe it our not, trolling the boards will not convice HTC to make new maps, because HTC does not make the maps. Players do. Just like skins.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: moot on June 04, 2008, 05:27:46 PM
New tiles.  European temperate climate, North African deserts, Northern Europe, Eastern and snow, Pacific...  Just a bit more variation in weather.. It would make things a lot better with a relatively small amount of work..

And the windmills aren't idiotic. 
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: NoBaddy on June 04, 2008, 05:40:38 PM
Are there any people here actually interested in this game as an historical simulation?? Why all of the "fantasy world" maps? How about some theater specific maps that will provide some sense of immersion---even if it is the main arena--we need, imo, a fitting backdrop for the planes.

    Who threw in all of the idiotic windmills that don't even give an impression of Market-Garden?? Or worse yet the silly red barns that look like they belong in an "old MacDonald" sim and not WWII, or at best in Iowa rather than any of the real theaters of operation. Oddly, they did quite a good job on the refineries. They should do the same thing with theater specific architecture and terrain. WBs and TW have done this well----go copy them.

Sure there are. Some play in the AvA. Most will play scenarios when available. Here's a clue for yah....the MA IS a fantasy world. In what "real world" simulation do you die and re-appear milliseconds later???

BTW, cupcake....the guy that created the first game you mention is the same one that wrote this one.....and approved the terrain tiles you're wankin' about. :)
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: moot on June 04, 2008, 05:47:54 PM
But there needs to be a minimum of variation. The exact same tiles on every MA map gets old..
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Gixer on June 04, 2008, 06:14:32 PM
New tiles.  European temperate climate, North African deserts, Northern Europe, Eastern and snow, Pacific...  Just a bit more variation in weather.. It would make things a lot better with a relatively small amount of work..

And the windmills aren't idiotic. 

Exactly what I've wanted for years, couldn't agree more. I was suprised after leaving in 04 and having a three year break that the map graphics were still bascially the same with only some minor changes. And even more suprised that some of the old maps were still circulating.

As for weather, how hard is it to add more clouds, cloud variety and layers, even throw in a basic weather engine?  Oh but there would be a graphics performance hit, give me a break. Anyone ever done a poll to see what average customer PC specs are? I would bet the average can run the sim at max settings with 60fps as it currently is.

Of course you can't say anything about maps, without the usual "build one yourself" comeback by some noob. I already have a job thank you and not on HT's payroll. What I pay them $15 a month for and I would expect a small % of that to include development costs for things like maps.

Of course I also expected the Yak to have a new cockpit in that time, guess I'll just have to wait for Combat Tour or something...  :lol


<S>...-Gixer




Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: The Fugitive on June 04, 2008, 06:47:47 PM
I think HT should "damn the torpedoes !! Full speed ahead !!" and put all the maps back in rotation. I know AKdesert can't be used any more due to the tiles not being upgraded to the new stuff, or being lost, but run all the others. If they complain when fighter town is captured, TUFF ! if they complain when tank town is captured TUFF !! If they complain that Mindy isn't balanced TUFF! I alaso think the weekly reset is a great idea, and the only thing that should NEVER happen is the same map in both LW arenas.































....of course, its not MY game, and I doubt my opinion matters all that much, so I'll just have to keep having fun with what we got.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Impakt on June 04, 2008, 07:00:40 PM
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Sure there are. Some play in the AvA. Most will play scenarios when available. Here's a clue for yah....the MA IS a fantasy world. In what "real world" simulation do you die and re-appear milliseconds later???

BTW, cupcake....the guy that created the first game you mention is the same one that wrote this one.....and approved the terrain tiles you're wankin' about.
  Cupcake?? look, contact me by PM; I live in maryland and would be happy to go a few rounds with the gloves and show you how much of a cupcake I am.
 Thanks I know who designed the games----I played Warbirds from the outset thru 1999. I don't wanna make a map. I am simply reporting my opinion of the present state of the maps as I see them. Sorry, THOSE windmills and their ubiquitousness are idiotic, imo.

Impakt
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: moot on June 04, 2008, 07:02:51 PM
It's the ubiquitousness that's over the top, not the windmill.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: toonces3 on June 04, 2008, 07:33:39 PM
So far I agree with:
MajIssue
M00t
Gixer

and NB with respect to YKnerd
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: NoBaddy on June 04, 2008, 07:53:51 PM
  Cupcake?? look, contact me by PM; I live in maryland and would be happy to go a few rounds with the gloves and show you how much of a cupcake I am.
 Thanks I know who designed the games----I played Warbirds from the outset thru 1999. I don't wanna make a map. I am simply reporting my opinion of the present state of the maps as I see them. Sorry, THOSE windmills and their ubiquitousness are idiotic, imo.

Impakt

I simply love how someone can be so self-important that he tries to impress folks with words like "ubiquitousness" and when he perceives that he has been insulted...choses to resort to threats of physical violence. Impressive.   :salute

BTW...the new spell checker  :rock


Oh...if you would prefer....I could call you "jelly roll".   :)
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: angelsandair on June 04, 2008, 11:45:28 PM

With AH as it is right now, you can't make a single field uncapturable or indestructible. F6Bomber (the map creator) tried to make the town as close as possible to the field to make the capture more difficult. BTW this map is a beta, HTC never allowed the final version to go online.

Yea, I dont remember Donut being as big as it was, but that may have been cuz I was always in the Fightertown area fightin.

But it would be nice to have HTC put it in. First whiners whine by saying "HTC, PEOPLE ARE CAPTURING FIGHTERTOWN BASES, IT MAKES US MAD!!" and now, most are whining about wanting it back "HTC, WE WANT DONUT AND FIGHTERTOWN BASES BACK!!!" I never really whined about the bases being captured just because I could just go find another place to fight at. I would like to see the new map once a week though....


p.s. Guys, quit fighting about stupid stuff on "whose more ignorant" or "whose more mature" both people fighting like this are showing both. You are both being immature and ignorant. Quit arguing and just let it go, the one time we get a thread that could give HTC a reason to put maps back in, you guys are just hijacking the thread and giving Skuzzy an excuse to lock the thread. If your opinion is going to be negative to the other persons,  put in a "no offense" or "not trying to be mean" dont put something like "your post is ignorant!!" Take it to a PM if ya got a problem with it, dont leave it here.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: BaldEagl on June 05, 2008, 12:34:16 AM
  I live in maryland and would be happy to go a few rounds with the gloves and show you how much of a cupcake I am.

Is there something special about Maryland and tough guys?  Do they all live there?  Just asking.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: angelsandair on June 05, 2008, 12:36:48 AM
just let it go, let them PM eachother.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: SoonerMP on June 05, 2008, 01:39:46 AM
Actually Ykturd, I in my last year of college and in the Reserves now so when I get to fly is lucky by all accounts. You are obviously a moron. If you think I am a kid I will be more than happy to prove that statement wrong but then again you are probably a 35+ year old virgin who lives in his grandma's basement who is around 400 pounds and glued to a motorized cart. Matter of fact I have probably seen you at Wal-Mart leaving with a fesh set of adult diapers. Anywho.......

You try making some maps and then you can tell others to do it. Some of us have more important things to do. Let HTC make the maps, thats what they are there for... to update the game. By the way who ever suggested the AvA maps was on to something.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: angelsandair on June 05, 2008, 10:02:15 PM
BRING BACK DONUT MAP!!!!! WE WANT FIGHTERTOWN BACK!!! :devil
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: MajIssue on June 06, 2008, 10:07:30 AM

Me?  I'm just me... direct, straightforward, opinionated, and abrasive because I don't suffer fools or idiots well.


If you don't suffer fools or idiots then How do you look at yourself in the mirror...

BTW... I've never seen you in the MA either. I think that you don't play the game and just troll the board trying to be "provocative"
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Yknurd on June 06, 2008, 03:57:56 PM
Actually Ykturd, I in my last year of college and in the Reserves now so when I get to fly is lucky by all accounts.
Are you validating yourself?  Do your comments merit more because you are in college and the reserves?  Or does this justify your time spent away from AH?

You are obviously a moron. If you think I am a kid I will be more than happy to prove that statement wrong but then again you are probably a 35+ year old virgin who lives in his grandma's basement who is around 400 pounds and glued to a motorized cart. Matter of fact I have probably seen you at Wal-Mart leaving with a fesh set of adult diapers. Anywho.......
*yawn*  you could have at least threatened to kick my butt.  That would have been worth writing.

You try making some maps and then you can tell others to do it. Some of us have more important things to do. Let HTC make the maps, thats what they are there for... to update the game. By the way who ever suggested the AvA maps was on to something.
I said to cue lame excuse and you pulled through for me <S> <Godspeed>
Sooooo, you won't make a map because I don't make maps.  Well seeing as I wasn't the one whining about needed new maps I take your advice under advisement.

And yes, HTC is updating the game.  It's just not what you want at the moment.  Unbunch your panties.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Yknurd on June 06, 2008, 04:00:50 PM
If you don't suffer fools or idiots then How do you look at yourself in the mirror...
I know you are, but what am I?

(Damn, now you made me stoop down to your level)

BTW... I've never seen you in the MA either. I think that you don't play the game and just troll the board trying to be "provocative"
Wow.  You definitely are not a descendant of Einstein.

I already addressed this with soonerMP.  Perhaps you should share notes with him and see if between the two of you (it's know as collaborative learning) can solve this problem.

I'll give you another clue.  It's not a trick problem; I actually fly in the game.

Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: NoBaddy on June 06, 2008, 04:23:21 PM
Drunky.....you make me laff....(A LOT!!! :rofl)

Keep it virtually real. :rock
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: SoonerMP on June 06, 2008, 04:47:05 PM
I just love the fact that you are still going for bait on this one. This thread is no longer a request, just a quest.



P.S. It's tough to have bunched panties when you dont wear underwear... But do ask your mom to come get her panties off my floor, its getting annoying. :aok
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: angelsandair on June 06, 2008, 04:58:30 PM
I just love the fact that you are still going for bait on this one. This thread is no longer a request, just a quest.



P.S. It's tough to have bunched panties when you dont wear underwear... But do ask your mom to come get her panties off my floor, its getting annoying. :aok

I know you are, but what am I?

(Damn, now you made me stoop down to your level)
Wow.  You definitely are not a descendant of Einstein.

I already addressed this with soonerMP.  Perhaps you should share notes with him and see if between the two of you (it's know as collaborative learning) can solve this problem.

I'll give you another clue.  It's not a trick problem; I actually fly in the game.



Yea, you guys are on a 1 way track to PNG'd. I'd stop at this point. You guys are being mature and ruining a thread. Dont point fingers either, you both are contributing to it, just stop replying to the other ones thread, otherwise, Skuzzy's gonna have to get out his big stick.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Dragon on June 06, 2008, 05:31:09 PM
B.A.A.H. - Black Association of Aces High

Should be:

W.A.A.H

Nurd
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: NoBaddy on June 06, 2008, 05:53:57 PM
P.S. It's tough to have bunched panties when you dont wear underwear... But do ask your mom to come get her panties off my floor, its getting annoying. :aok

Nice comeback......















FOR A 5TH GRADER!! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Adonai on June 06, 2008, 05:57:37 PM
I just love the fact that you are still going for bait on this one. This thread is no longer a request, just a quest.



P.S. It's tough to have bunched panties when you dont wear underwear... But do ask your mom to come get her panties off my floor, its getting annoying. :aok

IN IN IN
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: hubsonfire on June 06, 2008, 06:45:13 PM
Yay, more pursefights between grown men, over cartoon airplanes, that escalate to threats of physical violence. We're really breaking new ground here, folks!
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: KTM520guy on June 06, 2008, 07:09:13 PM
On a old HD I have version 2.08. Went and had a peek at some of the old maps. How great it would be to have Trinity, Festerma, Donut, and Equinox back.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Mak333 on June 06, 2008, 07:14:53 PM
I agree with the OP.  There should be always 1 small map and 1 large in the MA arenas.  Also, there is not enough small maps that HTC is putting up.  It should be balanced between large and small maps.

I'm tired of trying to control 100+ bases simultaneously.  That's so many that a country can not put 1 pilot and each airfield more than half of the time.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: KTM520guy on June 07, 2008, 02:09:10 PM
To get an old map to work with the newest version of AH do they just need to be modified or rebuilt from the ground up?
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: stephen waldron on June 07, 2008, 04:20:25 PM
    I agree 100% Maj. and posted similar complaints about maps.  Lots of people share your opinion of the "cavalier" way AH designs, selects and handles the map situation.  Titanic Wednesday "evenings" are particularly annoying.  Ditto there.

    I especially deplore the little map with the "Heart" shaped body of water in the center of it.  What makes anyone in their right mind think a wargamer wants to look at images of "hearts" while playing a combat game.  What's next ?  A "Bunny" Map ?  And before any of you dweebs suggest just choosing a different arena to play in, to begin with, I WOULDN'T BE CAUGHT DEAD in the HEART shaped room unless the other rooms had more serious problems.

    Some at AH needs to WAKE UP.  or GROW UP before they ruin their business.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: USRanger on June 07, 2008, 05:01:32 PM
Originally posted by: KTM520guy:
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To get an old map to work with the newest version of AH do they just need to be modified or rebuilt from the ground up?

Everything that has changed since those maps were built would have to be changed.  Terrain textures, transitions(they are done differently now), every field(new layout) & CVs(new type).  There may be more but that's the ones I'm sure of.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: BaldEagl on June 07, 2008, 05:10:15 PM
Bring on the Bunny map!  Just make sure it's a Playboy bunny map.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: KTM520guy on June 07, 2008, 05:12:42 PM
Originally posted by: KTM520guy:
Everything that has changed since those maps were built would have to be changed.  Terrain textures, transitions(they are done differently now), every field(new layout) & CVs(new type).  There may be more but that's the ones I'm sure of.

I guess I'll get started then.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: NoBaddy on June 07, 2008, 08:44:35 PM
I guess I'll get started then.

That's the spirit. :)
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: Yknurd on June 07, 2008, 10:14:13 PM
    Some at AH needs to WAKE UP.  or GROW UP before they ruin their business.

This made me feel giggly.

For years people have been saying this about this and other topics.  Funny thing that, HTC is still here are probably stronger than they've ever been.
Title: Re: Another rant about maps
Post by: The Fugitive on June 08, 2008, 09:30:59 AM
    I agree 100% Maj. and posted similar complaints about maps.  Lots of people share your opinion of the "cavalier" way AH designs, selects and handles the map situation.  Titanic Wednesday "evenings" are particularly annoying.  Ditto there.

    I especially deplore the little map with the "Heart" shaped body of water in the center of it.  What makes anyone in their right mind think a wargamer wants to look at images of "hearts" while playing a combat game.  What's next ?  A "Bunny" Map ?  And before any of you dweebs suggest just choosing a different arena to play in, to begin with, I WOULDN'T BE CAUGHT DEAD in the HEART shaped room unless the other rooms had more serious problems.

    Some at AH needs to WAKE UP.  or GROW UP before they ruin their business.


Most people call that the "uterus map". I guess its all in how you look at things.