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Title: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: hlbly on June 04, 2008, 02:22:14 AM
I dont want to sound like I am complaining . However I guess I am . I have sent a few emails . I have shown at scheduled times and I am having serious trouble finding a trainer . I am not the usual newbee . I do the homework . I understand my aircraft . I read endlessly . What I need is a trainer . I understand life intrudes , but I am very flexible on times . It is disheartening to do all I can , and reach a point where I need training help . I need someone to evaluate what I am doing wrong . I can only get so much from films. If there was a stickbox I could go further. My point is this . I am doing the work I have made some improvement , but I need some experienced help to get to where I want to be . I dont know what more to other than send emails requesting 1 on 1 and showing up on time with my notebook .I am just getting frustrated .
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: Spatula on June 04, 2008, 03:06:08 AM
Hi hlbly - i was actually penning you a response to your email but i got busy before, so i'll reply here.

I assume it was you in the TA last night/morning? Think the gameid was slightly different? Anyway, first port of call is to try get along to any of the scheduled slots on the trainer's calender. I cant speak for the others but we can be a busy lot at times, and 1 on 1s aren't always easy to arrange.

http://trainers.hitechcreations.com

Having said that, my tues morning (3am eastern) slots are usually fairly slow, so 1 on 1 is normally easy.  I realise that's a crazy time for most of AH2's player-base, but I'm actually from down under so its a fairly sane time of the evening for me.

Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: mtnman on June 04, 2008, 04:05:07 AM
For some reason I don't always receive emails until after a trainer responds...  Not sure why...

Anyway, PM me here through the boards and I'll try to set up an "appointment" with you.  I am leaving to go out of town tomorrow, and will be back on Sunday.  I plan to be in-game Sunday night, probably from 10pm Central til 4am Central Monday am.  I may nor be in the TA, but will be willing to switch there to work with you if that timing works out for you...

MtnMan
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: Ghosth on June 04, 2008, 07:21:34 AM
I'm in the TA almost every weekday afternoon 3 - 4:30 central time.

Stop by and give me a shout. I'm sure we can work something out.
I will warn you that I don't normally teach mid to advanced ACM.
But on good days I can manage to fly it somewhat.
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: Rich46yo on June 04, 2008, 07:43:15 AM
My good friend Ghost taught me some evasion moves that saved my butt on countless occasions. Very often you will see him parked at the end of a runway watching, and giving training snacks , to a dozen people at a time.

Dont forget hlbly to also try and gain knowledge from the more expereinced players as well. Ive had some tremendous sessions just hanging out in the TA with guys who have been in the game for many years. My first lesson in the game came from a P-51 stick from the 4'th escort group and I still use the training I got from him.
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: chadiz on June 04, 2008, 07:50:10 AM
I've seen trainers online and well somethimes they may be busy.  But I found it not that difficult to gett in contact with them. Ghost  :salute in particular is verry responsive.    And if not, a bit patients can help at the end you will have your trainer.
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: humble on June 04, 2008, 11:14:26 AM
Patience is the key, I'm sure you'll eventually hook up with someone and it will be well worth it.

I'm not flying much during the week but I'll be happy to spend some time with you any time you can catch me. It's very natural to hit a bit of a wall as you progress since the lines blur and "right vs wrong" becomes more and more situational. I fly under "snaphook" as knight, our squad is on vox 171. I used to do a fair amount of "ride alongs" for guys where they would get a chance to observe. I think some of those films are still up. I've given a few rides in the A-20 recently and have gotten a lot of postive feedback since it requires more "setup". your initial post doesnt mention any problems, issues, planes or specific goals so it's hard to comment. I'll link a few old clips to this that I think illustrate some of the fundementals pretty well.

I'd also look at agents clips as well as any others. A bucnh of guys are pretty active dueling in the DA as well. If you dont see a trainer look in the DA for any of the "kennel" guys, you'll find most are both good sticks and willing to lend a hand to someone with a good attitude. The real key IMO is identifying your most specific "want" and then getting an impartial evaluation of where you really are on the learning curve. As I stated on the "dogfighting" thread alot of "dog fighting" is just correctly applied BFM.

This is a film clip and text right up I posted awhile ago to our squad site. I"ve always felt that its an outstanding "primer" for basic "dog fighting" since its flown entirely with fundemental BFM's from an "inferior" position vs a superior aircraft. One of the biggest issues I always had as a trainer was how often folks were looking for "uber" before they really understood the basics. At some point you'll need to fly right on the edge to beat a good stick if your in an inferior ride...but 85% of the time you'll win with just solid BFM if you fly right.

http://www.71sqn.co.uk/PopUps/basicangles.html (http://www.71sqn.co.uk/PopUps/basicangles.html) {text}
http://www.71sqn.co.uk/Films/P40vN1ki.ahf (http://www.71sqn.co.uk/Films/P40vN1ki.ahf) {clip}
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: CAP1 on June 04, 2008, 02:39:11 PM
I dont want to sound like I am complaining . However I guess I am . I have sent a few emails . I have shown at scheduled times and I am having serious trouble finding a trainer . I am not the usual newbee . I do the homework . I understand my aircraft . I read endlessly . What I need is a trainer . I understand life intrudes , but I am very flexible on times . It is disheartening to do all I can , and reach a point where I need training help . I need someone to evaluate what I am doing wrong . I can only get so much from films. If there was a stickbox I could go further. My point is this . I am doing the work I have made some improvement , but I need some experienced help to get to where I want to be . I dont know what more to other than send emails requesting 1 on 1 and showing up on time with my notebook .I am just getting frustrated .

I'M VERY SURPRISED TO HEAR THIS. any time i've ever been in the TA, there's always someone in there. even if there's no actual trainers, as long bellybutton you can get off the ground, most players are generally more than helpful.

good luck and welcome aboard!!!

<<S>>
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: Motherland on June 04, 2008, 03:28:01 PM
I dont want to sound like I am complaining . However I guess I am . I have sent a few emails . I have shown at scheduled times and I am having serious trouble finding a trainer . I am not the usual newbee . I do the homework . I understand my aircraft . I read endlessly . What I need is a trainer . I understand life intrudes , but I am very flexible on times . It is disheartening to do all I can , and reach a point where I need training help . I need someone to evaluate what I am doing wrong . I can only get so much from films. If there was a stickbox I could go further. My point is this . I am doing the work I have made some improvement , but I need some experienced help to get to where I want to be . I dont know what more to other than send emails requesting 1 on 1 and showing up on time with my notebook .I am just getting frustrated .

Make sure you get time zone conversions correct. The player base of this game spans not only across the country but around the world.
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: Masherbrum on June 04, 2008, 03:38:13 PM
I have been in the TA to help folks a few times in the last couple of weeks.   Usually you have your Squeaker who is hellbent (* not to be confused with helbent) on trying to vultch A1, spam the country channel, spam 200 with "LOL" and other useless drivel.   

If I'm in there I'll ask if anyone needs help.   I realize "I might not be an AH Certified Trainer", but I'm willing to pick up some slack.   But, these trainers have a life as well.   
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: Adonai on June 05, 2008, 11:17:36 AM
Im a helper as well in the training arena for most hours of the day, from 1-3, if the arena is empty im probably in the main arena. If you can post what time you will be in the Training arena im sure someone can drop by and help you.
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: Rich46yo on June 05, 2008, 02:29:22 PM
Regardless if you can hook up with a trainer on a individual day the important thing that matters hlbly is that good things happen in the TA regardless of whos in there. Its the one place where folks are only focused on improving and theres no scoring, no HO'ing, no smack talking. There have been a lot of days where Ive simply gone in there and taken 1/2 dozen airplanes up just to turn in circles and learn their stall limits and behavior. There have been plenty of days where Ive taken bombers up and just practiced gunnery, plenty of days where Ive gone in there and tried new things that popped up in my head at work, or, I read about.

Because in the end its not going to be the trainer who makes you a good stick. Its going to be YOU who makes you a good stick and the TA is the best training resource in the game.

There's always others in there you can fly against and every minute you can spend in a AH war plane you are also going to be training. Even better there is usually someone better then you in there to fly against. Which will help you grow. I myself should spend more time in there rather then grab-arseing around the MAs. I'd be a better stick if I did.

Every minute your in the TA has value. With, or without a trainer, you shouldn't squander it.
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: Masherbrum on June 05, 2008, 03:29:41 PM
Regardless if you can hook up with a trainer on a individual day the important thing that matters hlbly is that good things happen in the TA regardless of whos in there. Its the one place where folks are only focused on improving and theres no scoring, no HO'ing, no smack talking. There have been a lot of days where Ive simply gone in there and taken 1/2 dozen airplanes up just to turn in circles and learn their stall limits and behavior. There have been plenty of days where Ive taken bombers up and just practiced gunnery, plenty of days where Ive gone in there and tried new things that popped up in my head at work, or, I read about.

Because in the end its not going to be the trainer who makes you a good stick. Its going to be YOU who makes you a good stick and the TA is the best training resource in the game.

There's always others in there you can fly against and every minute you can spend in a AH war plane you are also going to be training. Even better there is usually someone better then you in there to fly against. Which will help you grow. I myself should spend more time in there rather then grab-arseing around the MAs. I'd be a better stick if I did.

Every minute your in the TA has value. With, or without a trainer, you shouldn't squander it.

You've obviously never seen Arado381 in there I take it?   
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response
Post by: zuii on June 08, 2008, 07:21:05 PM
wow is all i can say now.
amazing!
Now i get flooded with email?
wow.


Im sorry i brought it up.
You think im making this up for some reason?
I have NOTHING to do with who is on AH payroll, i dont even care.

i went through the stated channels, no replys,, i post about it and I get this crap?

amazing
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: Rolex on June 08, 2008, 07:34:32 PM
I answer my email and private messages.
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 08, 2008, 07:48:12 PM
With all due respect sirs!

no one from AH trainers will even answer an e-mail.
If you people dont answer an e-mail, Whats the point? Take down the e-mail contacts because it means
nothing to put them up!!

Dont pretend that trainers will help your PAYING customers when they wont even Answer an e-mail.
Its kinda silly.

zuii

very odd, you must be one of those who ask for help, but do not include your username or in-game  gameid!

hlbly sent 3 emails to the trainers, the 1st one asked for help , the second and 3rd emails if I am looking at them correctly were 2 minutes apart asking exact same thing and were very "hasty/angry" type emails.these 1 and 2/3  emails were about 24 hrs apart....1 or 2 Trainers replied to hlbly.......

looking thru my emails, I do not see your AH bbs username listed in any of them...... so who are you, what is your gameid and how do you need help or what do you need help with? possibly how to send a informed email requesting help, with proper contact info?

we reply to emails,  most every trainer gets an email ( we are on a mail list, we all get the same emails )

and usually it is left to the 1st Trainer that responds to the email, in which when the Trainer does respond to the request, all other Trainers receive the response as well....

so would you kindly edit or remove your bullpoop post above......and if you need help ask and include the proper information...


edit: if any Trainer does not respond to many emails, it is me, for I as well as any other Trainer is also a PAYING CUSTOMER, and my Traing Time is volunteered to other by ME ( same goes for every other Trainer )...and when some of us have to work 60 to 80 hours a week in real life, we sometimes do not have the ability to jump up and snag every single email request or help request that comes down the pike with in shear seconds or minutes of it being posted or emailed......

some people or to have more gratitude for what others offer  ( sorry to all others for my irritated rant, my apologies )
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response
Post by: Motherland on June 08, 2008, 07:52:21 PM
Dont pretend that trainers will help your PAYING customers when they wont even Answer an e-mail.
Trainers aren't on the payroll. They're volunteers.
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: zuii on June 08, 2008, 08:03:22 PM
Yeah i changed my "bullpoop" comments.. seems i hit a nerve.


btw i did include my game id

it is zuii as far as i can tell.

----------> zuii
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: TequilaChaser on June 08, 2008, 08:15:46 PM
Yeah i changed my "bullpoop" comments.. seems i hit a nerve.

maybe hit a nerve, maybe not...97 degree heat at 99% humidity and working all weekend to see a post like this, well, got to me....

if you need help  send a PM to a Trainer, or email the list  ( trainers at hitechcreations dot com )

and please include your username on the messageboards and your in game gameid ( your flight handle )

we want to help everyone we can, sorry to come off so harsh.....
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: zuii on June 08, 2008, 08:19:20 PM
well i also apologise if i came off to harsh,,, that was not my intent.

I apologise sir.
and i apologise that my 11 year old spells better than i.

zuii


Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: Adonai on June 08, 2008, 08:46:37 PM
Zuii, you could of always messaged me if you needed some help, I know im not a trainer but we did work together on flying
first few trips in Training arena.
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: zuii on June 08, 2008, 09:09:31 PM
Thank you Adonai.
I may take you up on that.
I didn't want to keep bugging you and taking all your time up with stuff.
thank you for the offer sir, ill look for you in the TA or ill drag you kicking and screaming out of the
MA so you can teach me more.

zuii


Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: Adonai on June 08, 2008, 09:15:13 PM
Thank you Adonai.
I may take you up on that.
I didn't want to keep bugging you and taking all your time up with stuff.
thank you for the offer sir, ill look for you in the TA or ill drag you kicking and screaming out of the
MA so you can teach me more.

zuii

zuii Man you can ALWAYS pm me on the BBS or in game, I dont have any problem getting on ta and help you as long as you need me.

Drag me much as you need im always available to you or anyone <S>
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: hammer on June 09, 2008, 09:00:10 AM
Just as a side note, the trainers' email addy gets over 200 spam messages each day. If your email doesn't clearly specify Aces High help or Aces High training in the subject, it could easily get overlooked or filtered out. I've had to set some very stringent filters just to keep the spam that actually hits my inbox at a reasonable level. Also, if you send an email saying "I'll be in the TA in an hour" (and we see lots of these), it is usually OBE before anybody has even read it.

Regards,

Hammer
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: SkiMan on June 09, 2008, 05:33:49 PM
I've had nothing but great response from the Trainers.
I've only had the pleasure to work with Ghosth, but
from the response I've had from the rest of them,
they seem like a great bunch.

 :salute The Trainers (and Adonai ;))

Ski
Title: Re: Lack of trainer response . No one in trng arena
Post by: Serenity on June 10, 2008, 08:39:43 AM
Zuii, they just formed an Aces High Training Squad. Look further up in this forum. I highly suggest you sign up, it will be a GREAT opportunity.