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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on June 04, 2008, 03:56:03 PM
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I expect Chairboy to chime in here, and be outraged. ;)
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/police-shut-down-assassination-art-exhibition/
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Damn...all I saw was "Police strip artists" and the first thing I thought of was "Days Of Thunder".
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Hrmmmmm. I wonder whether it was the SS, NYPD, or building ownes who shut it down.
By 9:30 a.m., New York City police detectives and Secret Service agents had shut down the exhibition, and building workers had quickly covered over the inflammatory title with large sheets of brown paper and blue masking tape.
Special Agent Eric P. Zahren, a spokesman for the Secret Service in Washington, emphasized in a telephone interview that the agency did not seek to shut down the show.
“We did not shut down that exhibit or request that anybody else shut it down,” Agent Zahren said. “This was brought to our attention, we went out there and had a conversation with the individual, but we did not shut it down.”
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rights violated or not...some people simply deserve to be kicked and punched into apologizing for being absolutely worthless.
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He should have just stuck with the old joke of a Wheaties box with a knife stuck thru it.
Was this guy a Republican?
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To be frank, I've been considering pulling back my involvement here. I'll post in further depth in a moment in a new thread. It's a coincidence that I saw my name mentioned here, I've been drifting away for the last few weeks.
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rights violated or not...some people simply deserve to be kicked and punched into apologizing for being absolutely worthless.
Did you look at the sites he did, They were interesting, I see no reason for him to be detained at all.
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rights violated or not...some people simply deserve to be kicked and punched into apologizing for being absolutely worthless.
Personally I do think his rights were violated..
Do you think he would have had the same reaction if it said "The Assasination of Yeager"?
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His right was violated imo. However, the Secret Service can't wait for the courts to protect the president or candidates. So long as they haven't killed or injured anyone, and after he is confirmed a non threat and allowed to proceed, no harm done. To the contrary, far more will see his "art" than would have otherwise.
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It is a federal mandate that the Secret Service conduct interviews of anyone who makes a statement like that and it's brought to their attention. His rights were not violated in any way. He was not arrested, nor charged with anything. He was brought in for an interview to detiremin what he was doing with regards to his signs that talk about assasinating two key political figures running for president and under Secret Service protection.
No different than the pilot who was detained and questioned when he flew over Ronald Reagans home in California.
This guy had to know that what he was doing was going to draw attention from the Secret Service and the NYPD. Now that it has he's crying about his rights being violated. He's going to be real pissed when he finds out his phones all have wire taps on them now and will continue to have them for a long time to come and that there is a signed warrant to do so from a federal judge.
Some people will NEVER learn. If your going to kick a tiger in the ass, you better have a plan to deal with the teeth first.
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I guess I can see how exclaiming assassination is akin to shouting fire in a theater, in a loose fashion.
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ahh art, what hast thou become.
i wonder if he had a govt grant for his "art".
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by his name he either cuban, puerto rican or dominican. IIRC a puerto rican group attempted to assasinate president truman. boston is also known as the capital of revolution, unrest and historically is a town full of reactionaries. as we who post on this BBS clearly understand sticks and stones will break my bones but typed names or ideas will get you into trouble with the man. someone should send mr arboleya an invitation to post on this BBS and perhaps he can replace our exiting chairboy.
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It is a federal mandate
and each person in Law Enforcement, who was only following orders that Violate a Right is personally criminally liable for violating the law.
Title 18 U.S.C. section 242
no exceptions!
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Another idiot looking for 15 mins of fame. And another subject that gets people talking like lawyers.
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I wonder if he owned guns.
shamus
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i wish you guys would feed me something more interesting from time to time...something i could defend even.
my take.
a. yah, right, you didn't think that would "cause a problem".
b. no, you are not an artist...you are an activist. there is a difference you tool. you ain't one of us.
c. whatever. like you aren't soaking up the little media frenzy which will predate your crash back into talentless obscurity.
d. now. if he would have been standing there pointing a rifle out the window...well then he'd have some boinking balls now wouldn't it? now that might yank my chain. and no...that doesn't mean it's a good idea...you'd probably get sniped yourself.
e. there is no e. i remain non plussed.
;)
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Why would an "artist" choose to target 2 of his own?
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http://www.yazmany.com/main.html
Interesting...very, very interesting...
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Why would an "artist" choose to target 2 of his own?
:rofl - not two of mine brother. not two of mine.
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http://www.yazmany.com/main.html
Interesting...very, very interesting...
the site is very well done...
:rofl - once you go barack... :rofl
oh that's just wrong... :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Word!
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Ok 88.. why is this guy not an "artist" and why is this not free speech?
lazs
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i have to retract that part. i misread the article.
he actually had a show behind it. so he qualifies. my bad. i had thought that it was just the window installation.
i am all for free speech and i don't think they should have covered it up for so much as a second, but i also don't blame the secret service for checking him out.
that said, aside from a really cool web slick, they guy is still pretty much an uncreative tool in my book.
i don't think much of his "work" which is still pretty much a yawner no matter how he cuts it.
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Hey look it's art and it's New York. Storm in a teacup.
Of course he knew it would stir up trouble. It is often part of the artistic agenda to challenge the status quo.
Having said that, who here doesn't believe that Obama won't be targeted by some nut job eventually? And Hillary? Both are hate figures among certain elements. The Secret Service were bound to be hypersenstive to any suggestion of assassination. The artist is rather cynically exploiting this.
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88.. I have seen some pretty boring and worthless "art" being protected in the past. Stuff that would not be even noticed if it weren't for the shock value....One thing about it... one mans trash is another mans art.
Is this less or more art than a crucifix in a jar of urine?
lazs
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i agree on the trash/art analogy.
it's not so much a matter of whether or not it is art for me, as whether or not it is "interesting" art.
it really isn't in my opinion.
pretty standard college crap jacked up with a budget somewhere.
nothing new here.
piss christ was new only by context. yes, it too can fall under the wide umbrella of art.
was it interesting?
i suppose that is relative. i saw it on display once. it is a very large image.
of course i knew what i was looking at, so that gave it a bit of gravity, but it really wasnt anything special either by any means. big, red, well shot and printed peice of luxurious garbage. i didn't care for it. but i remember thinking. how do i really know that it's piss anyway?
all it did was open a big ol box of none so sophisticated taxpayers, which ultimately helped him alot more than it ever harmed him.
it never would have made the papers had it not been publicly funded.
as you know, i am not for government grants for individual artists.
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Ok... fair enough.. I think that even tho you are an artist and I am not that we agree for the most part on this. I have never really understood artists for the most part anyway... we all do what we do because it is what we are driven to do. I think that too many people who are driven to make something get all self involved and want to justify it with the "artist" label.
lazs
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i just wear the artist label because it is really the only thing that i have ever wanted to do with my life and it's literally what i spend most of my time doing.
but then, i have also come to find it best to think of it as a job.
...nothing more, nothing less. nothing special about it, just as hard to pay your dues as doing anything else.
but it does fulfill me. and i couldn't imagine trying to do something else.
besides...i've always found that most of the best artists really aren't all that strange when you meet them.
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He got what he wanted. Exposure and attention. Had anyone here ever heard of this guy before he decided to demonstrate major stupidity in the search of attention? There is no way he could buy this kind of publicity for his stuff. Now he'll be popular with the "art avaunt guard" crowd who will come by to see if he dose anything else just as bizarre. If you can't demonstrate quality in your work, toss out the feces and watch the attention.
:huh
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:rofl - once you go barack... :rofl
oh that's just wrong... :rofl :rofl :rofl
:rofl damm yer on a roll! :rofl
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88.. I think a lot of people do what they do because they couldn't imagine doing anything else.
lazs
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that was sort of my point, or at least what i was meaning to convey.