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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Coshy on June 05, 2008, 01:04:04 PM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/04/AR2008060402205_pf.html
Not only is this going to happen, it has happened before in New York City. AND survived the following legal challenges!
The end of our personal liberties may be closer than we think!
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Ya know, instead of random checkpoints for random amounts of time it sounds like that neighborhood needs an increased police presence ALL the time. You know, cops walking the beat? But hey, random checks of "suspicious" things is cheaper and easier.. except for that pesky old 4th Amendment stuff.
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What's the difference between this and a DUI checkpoint? I went thru a checkpoint down in Fla that video taped everything, they did a "systems check" on your vehicle, 1 thing off and that gives them probable cause to search your vehicle.
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When you went through the DUI checkpoint, did they ask you what business you had being out on that particular road? Did you have to justify the fact that you were where you were?
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all checkpoints are illegal, no probable cause, but they are the govt and they are here to help you, and they "will arrest people who do not cooperate, under a charge of failure to obey a police officer, officials said."
"your papers are not in order, you will come with us to gestapo headquarters". When i was a little kid i watched the old black and white WW2 movies and was glad i lived in america, i want my america back.
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Why would they even need em... it is one of the safest cities in the world due to it having the most restrictive and unconstitutional gun bans in the nation.
lazs
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This is absolute lunacy.. I am flabbergasted at what I am seeing coming out of the NE corner of the nation. This is all based on the supposition that the trouble makers all come from somewhere else. I suppose that none of them live in the neighborhood. Naah that's not possible, there couldn't possibly be gangs in that neighborhood, they have to be imported. :rolleye
My response to the questioning would be simple. Am I under arrest? Followed by, I refuse to answer based on the 5th amendment. I refuse permission to search, get a warrant. I would produce a drivers license, registration and proof of insurance on demand as those items are not protected under the constitution because driving is not a right and those can be requested any time you are operating a motor vehicle on the street.
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Why would they even need em... it is one of the safest cities in the world due to it having the most restrictive and unconstitutional gun bans in the nation.
lazs
Gunz r bad!
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We....must......conform.
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Wow just wow: "and ask whether they have a "legitimate purpose" to be in the Trinidad area"
I thought it was gonna random breath testing for drunk drivers, not marshall law.
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so they think that not only will announcing what they're doing, help, but theyre only doing 1 single street. how many other roads lead into this section? they're gonna just let pedestrians walk past too?
BIIIIIG waste of time and money.
wonder what'd happen if they had officers constantly patrolling the area? or maybe....juuust maybe, let law abiding citizens defend themselves? nah..that can't happen, as it's been prove it doesn't work.
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I think the pattern is pretty clear...
First take away your guns and then take away the rest of your rights.
Welcome to the socialist utopia of the osama husiens and hillarys and kennedys of the world.
lazs
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I hope that doesn't start coming this direction. Anytime some liberal in the state legislature here finds out about crap like this they decide to start trying to socialize the state of Alabama. Especially since there is a huge gap in the ones with money and the ones without money here.
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The checkpoint will stop vehicles approaching the 1400 block of Montello Avenue NE, a section of the Trinidad neighborhood that has been plagued with homicides and other violence. Police will search cars if they suspect the presence of guns or drugs, and will arrest people who do not cooperate, under a charge of failure to obey a police officer, officials said.
The above type of belief trumps the 4th Amendment now and I dare say a majority of the people in the country welcome it in the name of strong law enforcement and fighting terrorism.
If you object you are hiding something and need to be punished.
Not to worry tho, as long as we have the 2nd we don't need the 4th, just need to start a revolution :lol
shamus
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The liberals are coming...run hide, get your guns!! They want to balance the budget and increase education funding.....There out there secretly plotting to take all your guns away and make them into bicycles to reduce greenhouse emissions.....
Welcome to the paranoid delusions of the right wing...You guys scare me.
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Police will search cars if they suspect the presence of guns or drugs, and will arrest people who do not cooperate, under a charge of failure to obey a police officer, officials said.
Right there is where that pesky "probable cause" thing comes in to play. This is a rare occasion where I think lawyers can actually improve things.
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Right there is where that pesky "probable cause" thing comes in to play. This is a rare occasion where I think lawyers can actually improve things.
Wrong. Suspecting drugs or guns can mean a gut feeling. If some hoodlum rolls up with an arsenal on the back seat, and a bong on the front, all of which is in plain sight, then you have probable cause to stop him.
If there is no actual evidence of any wrong doing, then they have no basis to search.
What was the US Code of Law that describes the punishment for violating the constitution?
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mojava... are you saying that the liberals are not coming after our guns? It seems that it is you who are living in a fantasy land. I have to ask tho... since coming out in favor of gun bans goes against what the people want.. why do your beloved liberals shoot themselves in the foot (so to speak) on this issue?
I mean.. they must have an agenda if they have to hide from it.
As for liberals wanting to spend more on education? hardly.. they want to spend more on the teachers unions and indoctrinization.
If they cared about what education is supposed to do.. they would be in favor of vochers... it is like saying that if you give monstrous sums to the "united way" who wastes 97% of it on admin costs and bloated salaries.. that you are in favor of charity. If you wish to take away the money and let people spend on the charity of their choice.. that is real charity.. vochers are to education as the salvation army is to charity. the united way and public school systems are the waste. You don't throw more money at proven wasters who get no results...
You change the way it is done.. that is true progressiveness.. you believe in simply making the same old mistakes over and over... it is like the commies saying it will work it just hasn't been tried enough yet.
You are in a liberal socialist rut.
lazs
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The police and justice systems are getting incredibly out of hand.
I read an article yesterday about how unemployment figures might be artificially low because of the amount of people that are in jail.In 1980,there were 420,000 people in jail.26 years later in 2006,there are more than TWO MILLION people in jail,which is quintuple the number of 1980.One out of every 100 Americans is in jail!!!
This checkpoint,sobriety checkpoints,the police being able to search your car or pull you over without probable cause is alarming.The amount of people being jailed is even more so.Is this all about "keeping the streets safe",or a reason to justify more and more police;and prosecutors and judges furthering their careers by being "tough on crime"?
Article (http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/content/business/stories/2008/06/06/Jailed_Jobless_-_Cox.ART_ART_06-06-08_C10_JHADQ43.html?sid=101)
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Sox,
That's really reaching there in that article.
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"In 2006, the most-recent year Blank's research covers, the 4.6 percent U.S. unemployment rate would have been 5 percent if people behind bars and in the armed forces had been seeking private-sector jobs and therefore counted in the unemployment statistics, she said. Among black men, the rate would have pushed up from 9.6 percent to 10.6 percent."
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Well lets see. If there was no military then sure all those employed folks (Service people) would be unemployed and looking for work. Duh. The thing is they ARE employed and in a career field they chose themselves. If there was a large draft then you could claim the government was skewing the figure by taking folks out of the employment pool but that is not the case is it. Particularly in the lower troop levels mandated by Congress several years ago.
As far as those in prison are concerned, the article has accuracy only if you assume the folks in prison were employed or wanted to be employed to begin with. Perhaps if they had been employed and a viable part of the work force they just might not be in prison now. It's far easier to steal from folks than go out and have a job and work for the things you want.
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"But not everyone agrees that the nation's high incarceration rate has an impact on employment. James Sherk, a fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative research group, says the unemployment rate is low simply because the labor market remains tight, with many employers seeking even low-skilled workers.
If people now incarcerated under tough drug laws had never been put into prison, the great majority of them could have found jobs if they had wanted them, he said.
Attributing the low unemployment rate to the high incarceration rate is "grasping at straws," he said."
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My heart goes out to lawfull citizens of DC, and to the cops who are so unfortunate to work there. The crime is at level many here have never seen... the duty for cops is such that after a few years, if they desire to get away from facing this every day, they are considered ruined by agencies around the country, and they are fundementally unemployable elsewhere. Your experiences effect you, and this is what happens to DC cops.
I don't know what I would say to DC citizens, except, love the children. But that doesn't seem to be happening as much as you would hope.
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Sox,
That's really reaching there in that article.
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"In 2006, the most-recent year Blank's research covers, the 4.6 percent U.S. unemployment rate would have been 5 percent if people behind bars and in the armed forces had been seeking private-sector jobs and therefore counted in the unemployment statistics, she said. Among black men, the rate would have pushed up from 9.6 percent to 10.6 percent."
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Well lets see. If there was no military then sure all those employed folks (Service people) would be unemployed and looking for work. Duh. The thing is they ARE employed and in a career field they chose themselves. If there was a large draft then you could claim the government was skewing the figure by taking folks out of the employment pool but that is not the case is it. Particularly in the lower troop levels mandated by Congress several years ago.
As far as those in prison are concerned, the article has accuracy only if you assume the folks in prison were employed or wanted to be employed to begin with. Perhaps if they had been employed and a viable part of the work force they just might not be in prison now. It's far easier to steal from folks than go out and have a job and work for the things you want.
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"But not everyone agrees that the nation's high incarceration rate has an impact on employment. James Sherk, a fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative research group, says the unemployment rate is low simply because the labor market remains tight, with many employers seeking even low-skilled workers.
If people now incarcerated under tough drug laws had never been put into prison, the great majority of them could have found jobs if they had wanted them, he said.
Attributing the low unemployment rate to the high incarceration rate is "grasping at straws," he said."
Actually,I agree with you when it comes to how they think it impacts the unemployment rate.
I was just using the article to show how many Americans are in jail compared to 26 years earlier.
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When a government profits from incarcerating the incarceration rates increase. Prepare for the "War on Crime" comrades.
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Wrong. Suspecting drugs or guns can mean a gut feeling. If some hoodlum rolls up with an arsenal on the back seat, and a bong on the front, all of which is in plain sight, then you have probable cause to stop him.
If there is no actual evidence of any wrong doing, then they have no basis to search.
What was the US Code of Law that describes the punishment for violating the constitution?
Thank you for agreeing with me. You'll understand after you re-read my post a few times I think.