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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Jappa52 on June 06, 2008, 03:14:30 PM
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http://film.guardian.co.uk/interview/interviewpages/0,,2283921,00.html (http://film.guardian.co.uk/interview/interviewpages/0,,2283921,00.html)
pretty interesting interview with Clint Eastwood about Spike Lee and a some of his views. It would be fun to down a few scotches with C.E. and see where the conversation went...
"Eastwood still likes to let his views be known, often forcefully. In 2005, he vowed he'd kill Michael Moore if the documentarian ever showed up at his house, the way he had doorstepped Charlton Heston in Bowling for Columbine"
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Clint is correct. Spike needs to shut his pie hole.
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Hmmm, a Dirty Harry boxed set.
Father's Day is coming. :noid
HONK!
Gooss
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clint should be president. i bet clint eastwood would change there mind about gas lol. i bet he would be a good president.
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Good interview. I don't know if it was totally accurate to the conversation but I enjoyed it.
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clint should be president. i bet clint eastwood would change there mind about gas lol. i bet he would be a good president.
Naw he's 78... too old... anybody over say I don know... 71 should not be elected.
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Naw he's 78... too old... anybody over say I don know... 71 should not be elected.
Check that, 1 vote for Obama.
Well, that's a start.
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He calls himself a libertarian but he goes beyond that.. Like me, he is an individualist. Met him once at his resteraunt and he seemed like a nice enough guy... even paid for our meal.
lazs
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good article.
definitely one of the greats.
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He calls himself a libertarian but he goes beyond that.. Like me, he is an individualist. Met him once at his resteraunt and he seemed like a nice enough guy... even paid for our meal. -
lazs
Do you mean you met Clint Eastwood? Of course I like the movies. But I really like how he is not gonna be pushed around by the black victimology thing. He has a very, very good eye for drama in movies... the Million Dollar Baby movie was the last one of his I saw, b/4 that sands of Iwo Jima. He's ok in my book.
I guess if I bumped into the dude I would try to respect his privacy and just say, Mr. Eastwood, keep up the good work!
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I like that he, no pun intended, stuck to his guns. About Flags of our Fathers, he tried to keep it accurate. He didnt wash the film with our modern political correctness. Lee is like all those other "racial activist" types. They trudge through life finding ways to be offended 24/7.
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gunther.. he owns (owned?) a resteraunt in monterey called the boars breath inn. He frequented it and talked to the customers. I thought he was just someone telling us to keep it down at first till I got a look at him. He sat down and introduced himself and talked to us for a bit.
I think he was a little PC on the "letters" part of the iwo thing.. he gave the cruelty of the japs pretty much a pass.. I think he got caught up in the letters more than the event. What the writers were writing more than what they were doing.
Still... I admire him for being an individualist in a socialist world.
lazs
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gunther.. he owns (owned?) a resteraunt in monterey called the boars breath inn. He frequented it and talked to the customers. I thought he was just someone telling us to keep it down at first till I got a look at him. He sat down and introduced himself and talked to us for a bit.
I think he was a little PC on the "letters" part of the iwo thing.. he gave the cruelty of the japs pretty much a pass.. I think he got caught up in the letters more than the event. What the writers were writing more than what they were doing.
Still... I admire him for being an individualist in a socialist world.
lazs
That is interesting. I don't want to sound too backwater, but how was the food there, and how would you rate that place when you were there...the food, were the bathrooms clean? Was it expensive?
As far as the Letters movie, my opinion is that the story was told through the eyes of that young Jap baker, who did not engage in brutality. It is from that person's perspective, not an overall historical documentary about Iwo. Spike Jones is no icon of film if he doesn't know this.
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That is interesting. I don't want to sound too backwater, but how was the food there, and how would you rate that place when you were there...the food, were the bathrooms clean? Was it expensive?
Haven't been there in years, don't know what it's like now but it was fairly good back then. They had Dirty Harry themed burgers and such. I don't know if Eastwood still has an interest in the place.
BTW, it's called the Hog's Breath Inn.
Here's their lunch menu...
http://www.hogsbreathinn.net/lunchmenu.htm
The Monterey County Health Department shut the kitchen down sometime in the '90's for a bit, but they rebuilt their refridge units and remodeled the kitchen and re-opened IIRC.
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Hehe, it was a deserved answer to Spike. LOL, I wouldn't have a white man playing Nelson Mandela, now would I?
The characters in Flags are actually very well picked, and bear a very good resemblance to the real faces. Especially Jesse Bradford as Rene Gagnon, it's almost scary! Same goes to young Bradley (the son).
I met Clint at the shootings of Flags, and he struck me as an honest gentleman. Sat by him during a long shooting (wounded soldiers on the beach) and we were sharing saltsticks which he is very fond of ;)
Met Bradley as well, - we walked together along with his kids to the canteen. He had been 4 times to Iwo by then, and said that the scenery on the set was absolutely identical. Nice guy, sort of earthbound I felt.
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gunther.. was a nice enough place back then.... food was good but expensive but.. it was monterey... everything there is expensive. It was pretty dark tho... the theme was dark wood and not much light.
lazs
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here is something more on the argument.
http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2284542,00.html (http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2284542,00.html)
Lee said: "Of all the movies that have been made of Iwo Jima, you never see a black face. This is the last straw. I feel like I've been denied, I've been insulted, I've been mistreated. But what can you do? We still have a strong underlying force in my country of rabid racism."
:cry
I think I will keep my mouth shut on this one...
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Lee's comments to abcnews.com were provoked by the equally blunt interview Eastwood gave to the Guardian last week. Riled by Lee's "whites-only" mauling of his films Flags of our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima, Eastwood accused him of historical ignorance before growling his advice to shut up.
He also mockingly implied that Lee's views exaggerated equal opportunities by quipping about his own next big film, The Human Factor, set in post-independence South Africa: "I'm not going to make Nelson Mandela a white guy."
Now Lee has repeated his charge that black US troops, who fought in a munitions company at Iwo Jima, had not been given a second of the four hours in Eastwood's two films.
Drawing on his two degrees from universities in Atlanta and New York, he added: "I'm not making this up. I know history. I'm a student of history. And I know the history of Hollywood and its omission of the one million African-American men and women who contributed to the second world war. Not everything was John Wayne, baby."
Lee accused Eastwood of ignoring other critics who picked up on the absence of black soldiers when Flags of Our Fathers premiered.
Thomas McPhatter, a US marines sergeant who crawled up the landing beach under a hail of Japanese fire, was one of hundreds of black servicemen involved in the attack.
He said: "Of all the movies that have been made of Iwo Jima, you never see a black face. This is the last straw. I feel like I've been denied, I've been insulted, I've been mistreated. But what can you do? We still have a strong underlying force in my country of rabid racism."
I believe Eastwood took Spike's comments a little to seriously. <S> to Spike Lee for simply making an observation about Eastwood's movies. I am no expert on film, but whatever you see in the film is there intentionally by the director. The question is: Why weren't any African Americans cast in these movies? It is a very valid question. I know Eastwood tries very hard to ensure that his films are historically accurate.
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I believe Eastwood took Spike's comments a little to seriously. <S> to Spike Lee for simply making an observation about Eastwood's movies. I am no expert on film, but whatever you see in the film is there intentionally by the director. The question is: Why weren't any African Americans cast in these movies? It is a very valid question. I know Eastwood tries very hard to ensure that his films are historically accurate.
If you read the first article in this thread, it was answered. But people do tend to see and not see what they want.
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One Al Sharpton in the world is actually one too many. Spike Lee trying to be another one is even worse. Especially when Lee uses his own films' to stretch history into Black propaganda.
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One Al Sharpton in the world is actually one too many. Spike Lee trying to be another one is even worse. Especially when Lee uses his own films' to stretch history into Black propaganda.
Please give examples of Lee "stretching history into Black propaganda".
What is up with so much Al Sharpton talk? Who really cares about Al Sharpton.
Lee is a very intelligent person. Many of his movies are well thought out and actually make you think about certain issues (I.E. Do the Right Thing and Bamboozled among others). Although I do not agree with some of his views, I respect what he has done as a film maker and an American. His films/documentaries have had a tramendous impact on people throughout the world.
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Since the movie "Flags Of Our Fathers" was based on the book of the same name, and since I don't recall there being mentioned any black soldiers, sailors or airmen, I think Spike Lee's point is totally moot. What's next? How come none of the Fellowship from Lord Of The Rings wasn't black?
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Since the movie "Flags Of Our Fathers" was based on the book of the same name, and since I don't recall there being mentioned any black soldiers, sailors or airmen, I think Spike Lee's point is totally moot. What's next? How come none of the Fellowship from Lord Of The Rings wasn't black?
Tolkien was kind to the vertically challenged though. ;)
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Tolkien was kind to the vertically challenged though. ;)
Well then, thank Eru for creating a PC fantasy author! ;)
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The question is: Why weren't any African Americans cast in these movies? It is a very valid question.
No. The question is, why would the question even be raised ?
Eastwood`s movie to put in and develop anyway he thinks will work the best.
If I were building a house I`d hire whoever to help get the job done that I wanted and thought would get the job done correctly.
African Americans? Are those people who have citizenship in both Africa and America and split their time equally between the two?
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yeah twenty fo.. he didn't even show the negro guy that raised the flag on iwo! If there were a few on the beach then so what? it wasn't really about the beach much. I don't think any negros left the beach to participate in the fighting.
lazs
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I don't think any negros left the beach to participate in the fighting.
lazs
Why didn't they leave the beach?
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Most of the black units in WW2 were support... truck drivers, longshoremen, etc. Notable exceptions like the Tuskegee Airmen existed, an some 900 black Marines were on the Iwo Kima beaches, many of which were ammunition carriers.
But Spike Lee lost the more important lesson in his PC world. The Battle of Iwo Jima cost the lives of 4554 Marines and 363 Sailors. Their blood was red.
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. The question is: Why weren't any African Americans cast in these movies? It is a very valid question. I know Eastwood tries very hard to ensure that his films are historically accurate.
you answered your own question. To insert black people would have been to distort history.
It certainly wasn't a racial issue. As an example, Eastwood used a very excellent actor in "Unforgiven". This actor is a wonderfully talented man, he happens to be black.
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Spike Jones is no icon of film .
Fixed
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twenty foe.. Clint did not make policy in the 40's and revisionist history is not what he is into... nor I.
PC is crap. I would have fought for equal rights and did in some ways back in the 60's just like the other guys you don't like... Heston and Eastwood.
Where we all left the the boat was when it got as silly as it has.. Now we not only think that extra rights are wrong (always did) but... myself.. I don't even want to be around these babies and have taken to just genrealizing when it comes to the negro race... it is just so much easier and works out great.
lazs
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HoldenMcGroin is correct...integration of the U.S. Armed Forces did not happen until post WWII.
If you will read your USMC History, you will find out how many African-Americans served on Iwo Jima, how they served, how many were wounded, how many died on Iwo Jima, and how many African-Americans were awarded medals for Valor on Iwo Jima, and why.
I read, Flags of Our Fathers,and I saw the film. In my opinion, the film followed the book. If Mr. Lee has a problem with the absence of
African-Americans not being represented in the film, "Flags of Our Fathers", he should probably take issue with the book's author, Mr. James Bradley, rather than the film's Producer, Mr. Clint Eastwood.
This just my opinion.
Semper Fidelis!
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I bet Nelson Mandella will be played by Morgan Freeman...the resemblance is uncanny.
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There were a few blacks in Iwo, and among the extras there actually were a few blacks.
Since the Icelandic don't have many, Clint actually got some from the US airbase in Keflavik, just to have things right.
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There were a few blacks in Iwo, and among the extras there actually were a few blacks.
Since the Icelandic don't have many, Clint actually got some from the US airbase in Keflavik, just to have things right.
And there you have from someone who was at the filming. Once again Spike Lee needs to shut his pie hole.
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I bet Nelson Mandella will be played by Morgan Freeman...the resemblance is uncanny.
Freeman also happens to be one hell of an actor IMO.
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Hehe, Jack, absolutely agree.
I really like his way of speaking, and my favourite is the Shawshank Redemption.
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Se7en was his best IMHO but anything Morgan Freeman does is amazing.