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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Rich46yo on June 06, 2008, 05:23:08 PM
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I go thru various periods where I get obsessed with one particular airplane. Im wondering if this is odd or if anyone else goes thru the same thing. Lately I just love the P-38, which got me out of my 2 day Spit obsession. Ive gone thru periods of obsession with B-24s, 17s, 26s, KI-67s, Jugs, Spits, LAs, Hellkittys, Corsairs, and I have a few waiting in line to get obsessed about. Like the Yak and C-205.
I cant seem to stick with one or two thru a tour.
I couldnt name a "favorite airplane". I could only name "todays favorite".
What airplane is currently "obsessing you"?
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While I love the 38, as of late the FM2 has just been a blast to fly.
I'd suggest you try it, you'll be sucked in.
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I do it too. I rotate usually between the Bf-109, P-47, Spitfire I or V, Hurricane, and P-40E. Occasionally I get it for a Pony, P-38, Mossie or Fw, but those are rare. Its usally the Jug or 109, and ALWAYS comes back to the Messerschmitt after a few weeks. And with bombers, its ALWAYS the B-17, Stuka and He-111, but from time to time I get it for the Boston, B-24, or B-25.
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When I started I flew almost nothing but the LA5. Then I didn't like its guns so I flew nothing but the P47. Finally this month I decided to start moving between more planes, starting with the F4U. Maybe I'm less obsessed now and I'll switch planes every tour.
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Yak9u and Spit14 are my main rides. I enjoy helicopter planes ;)
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Ever since I found the C.205 I became obsessed with it. I hardly fly anyting else unless I am in a mission. Every once in a while I try another plane, only to return to my beloved C.205 after just one flight in another plane.
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Try a lightly loaded C.202. Will give Spit and 109 jocks the nightmare :devil
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My top 5 over the past 6 months (in order):
Spitfire Mk XVI
F6F-5
Bf 109K-4
Fw 190A-8
Hurricane Mk IID
Other than these I mix it up most of the time and fly a little of everything (usually something different every sortie or two).
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Have noticed one thing over time in the game. My plane set that I record kills in are getting smaller and smaller. Think I am figuring out what I like and don't like. Last tour (actually several tours) i was on a 205 kick. Going to try out some of the 109's this tour....gotta love the K-4 30mm. Also if you like the 205 you really should check out midwar...it's a very good plane in there. I recorded 94 kills and 2 deaths in tour 100 in midwar.
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109 always and forever.
<3
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That's call "ADD" there Rich. :)
I used to think they didn't make a better fighter than the F6F HELLCAT - it could do just about any job handed it.
However, since I took up flying the P-38 LIGHTNING it is rapidly becoming my favorite bird and that is all I fly unless in an event or something.
:salute
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No question about it, I'm obssesed with Spitfires! Just the greatest dogfighter there is (to me anyways :D ). There are some moments when the 109, P-40E, P-51, P-38, or yak look pretty good, but I'll find myself back to the Spitfire within a few minutes.
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While I love the 38, as of late the FM2 has just been a blast to fly.
I'd suggest you try it, you'll be sucked in.
Yeah Im going to upp one and shake it out this weekend. One thing about a great turn fighter. When Im having a bad night Ill upp a really good turn fighter to get my confidence back. Most of the time Ill upp a Spit but I'll try an FM2.
I believe the C-205 is the most under-rated fighter in the game.
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I believe the C-205 is the most under-rated fighter in the game.
Not sure about that...the 109G6 is really faster IMO
sure he C205 is not to be underestimated, but if you fight it like you would fight a 109 you're fine.
C205, spit9 and Yak9u have the same 20 ENY but to me yak and spit are way superior
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double post
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In the past, Yak 9U -- back when we had big maps. 1st time I was able to control E knowingly. Was an eye opener. Stayed with the Yak for good while.
A Jug phase sometime later.
D9 for a good deal of time after that.
Last run at flying, I flew the 109's a good deal. Actually got to the point where I did better than suck. Before, I'd evaluate a plane on its ability to turn, climb, top speed, acceleration, etc. Doubtlessly the right way to do it. With a 109's, a year or so ago or better, I looked at their ballistics. Flew them light frequently, no gondos. Oh, would sling an egg on it though. Also, rarely took extra rounds for the ammo package.
Is it the G6 that where the move to the German equivalent of 50 cals occurs? Began to look at them from that angle. G2 has the German equiv of 30 cals?
Anywhoo, flew with some buds from DFA in their ponys. Was really a cool learning experience. Couldn't stay with the ponies once they got a head of steam up. They'd slowly and constantly pull away. Also, could not turn as well. But, despite that, got some kills nonetheless. Credit goes to the DFA guys no doubt!
I looked for targets that had set themselves up well for what I could pull off in the 109 consistently. Stayed above them if things got tight and turny. Their high 6 by a bit. 1,000 feet or less hoping they'd try to get their nose up and bleed faster than I. The idea being once they leveled, I'd have a go at them. Tried to take the fight up by increments.
Also, began to get the mindset that I did not have to put down every plane I put lead into. Got chary with ammo. Used machine guns to get 'em to turn or try to do something that would result in an advantage for me. Oh, during this period, accuracy with gunnery never did come back. Just didn't stay at it long enough. Or, I'm a lousy gunner and doomed!
The Franz was fun when it came to turning. But like other earlier birds, was vulnerable to hot rods -- at least in my hands -- and preferred something with a little more zip. Never did take to the K4 a bunch. Powerful plane, but I got more kicks from the G6.
Was fun.
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Well first I flew the P-38. I mean that is just stupid the first plane you fly a 38.It is where I learned the advantages of the vert though. I then jumped to the Dora were I learned how to use roll to do scissors and things like that and how to keep your speed up. I am now in the K-4 which I am almost never out of. Something funny is I don't like any of the 5 eny planes. This may sound crazy but Niki needs some more stuff besides turning, LA-7 isn't fast enough for me, and Spit 16 is pretty good but not fast enough for me.
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LA-7 isn't fast enough for me, and Spit 16 is pretty good but not fast enough for me.
Right
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Been flyin the KI-84 alot lately.
So far, I like it better than any other plane I've flown.
I think its only drawback is its speed.
Its pretty fast, but when you're trying to chase some of the "uber" planes down,it just don't cut it.
Other than that, its guns are pretty good,and it handles really good.
It'll probably be my main ride (as a fighter) for the next couple tours.
For an attack plane, I always use the Typhoon.
Base defense usually calls for the Niki.
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Is it the G6 that where the move to the German equivalent of 50 cals occurs? Began to look at them from that angle. G2 has the German equiv of 30 cals?
Yes to the G6, not sure about the G2, though that sounds about right. G6 had ~13mm, while G2 had 7.9mm IIRC.
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Yes to the G6, not sure about the G2, though that sounds about right. G6 had ~13mm, while G2 had 7.9mm IIRC.
Correct. Everything else between the G6 and G2 are the same-engine, etc... Which means the G6 is slower and less maneuverable.
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And with bombers, its ALWAYS the B-17, Stuka and He-111,
Can I have a copy of your version please????
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I used to just switch around, but a couple tours ago I became obsessed with the 190a8, and now I love the F4Us.
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You can always look at my signature and see my uber rides of the month. But usually i change on a weekly basis
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I never really was that impressed with the Corsair in real life. It is an appealing form, but aside from that, it is a pain in the arse to work on, and most of the engineers who designed it should be scolded for making it so difficult to access and repair. That said, I have been working on one project for the last five years, and even though it is a pain in the butt to work on and fabricate new parts, it has become something I reluctantly enjoy.
The form and ability is amazing, but the mechanics behind the interior design will leave any mechanic shaking their head. Perhaps had the US forced Grumman to take the actual manufacture over, it would have been a much easier aircraft to work on.... again, who will ever know!
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Can I have a copy of your version please????
I'm obsessed with it, I didnt say I fly it here :D
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Have to say the girl i've been dancing with has been the C202. Nothing quite like baiting a Spit16 into a fight and watching him run for cover when he realizes you can turn and roll inside him and then stay glued to his rear and terrify him with the .303s. U work for the kill, and best of all - no one can call you a cheater - because if you EVER get a kill in the damn thing, you know you worked for it and the other guy has only himself to blame.
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Thunderbolt and Butcher-Bird...for me the most iconic "good guy" plane and "bad guy" plane respectively.
Nothing shows what America can do at its finest like the fact that ~25 years after the Wright brothers flew, we built a piston airplane that could operate effectively half-way to outer space, absorb a full clip from an enemy fighter and keep on flying, carry an INSANE amount of firepower and bombs, dive until it started bumping up against the transsonic, and oh yeah, in its final form, go darn near 500 mph.
As for the FW...I know it doesn't seem like it in AHII, but it was really the best airframe the Germans had. We'd have had alot tougher time in WWII if they had developed it earlier and engined it more effectively. It was one of the first airplanes with good visibility. It was really tough and anywhere from heavily to insanely heavily armed. It was one of the first airplanes where the pilot only had to fool with a "go" lever. It is so well mannered and stable that it hardly needs trimming over a wide band of airspeeds.
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P39, because it is always fun to dive on some one, and always bad when it dives on you. :rock
37mm o' lovinz'.
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When I first started, I got hooked on the P-38 rather quickly, although I just couldn't fly the damn thing.
Then I got into a FM2/P-40E craze, and after that I loved the F4U-1A corsair for a while.
Then I learned that landing kills in planes didn't really mean much. Now I actually get a K/D ratio above 1, since I don't actually try to kill anyone. I just hope that I can make some sort of a landing. :)
Now I fly the Yak-9U (main ride), 109G-14, FW-190D-9, P-38 (came back to this beautiful aircraft) and the KI-84.
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Some planes like the Jug are a lasting obession. Or the Hellcat, or B-26.
Its like I see a mission of them organizing and I'll bailout just to be in it. :D
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my current obsession is the 109 G14 with gondolas.
Simply devastating firepower. Its not bad to fly either. Just need to know when enough is enough to get her home.
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i got 5 fav's
spit9
51D and no i dont run i turn fight with it ;)
hurri1
109F
FM2
fav bomber
b26's
fav perked plane
Me262
tempest
allied
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I have a 'rolling obsession set.'
Always end up back with the 109's, though.
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Why does everyone become obsessed with the Bf-109? That really seems to be the most constant obsession on the list! Why do you all love her so much?
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Why does everyone become obsessed with the Bf-109? That really seems to be the most constant obsession on the list! Why do you all love her so much?
If I really thought about it, its a lot like an obsession with the 911.
-Both are so ugly they are beautiful.
-Both were designed with serious inherent flaws.
-Both were continuously re-engineered, not to fix the flaws, but to mask them.
-Both, despite being old, worn out, designed decades prior and totally outclassed by modern rivals... somehow hold their own against them.
-Both sound really, really good when the throttle is wide open. :D
From a game perspective, my gunnery has always sucked... so in AW, I unknowingly gravitated towards E-fighting in the vert because a roped aircraft was a lot easier for me to hit than one rolling all over the damned place. 109's and 38's have their strengths here.
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Why does everyone become obsessed with the Bf-109? That really seems to be the most constant obsession on the list! Why do you all love her so much?
They like leather panties. :noid ;)
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take a D9 and fly it into the biggest dar you can never going over 6K and see how long you can survive :D thats my favorite flying...
in fact...
brb ma
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Within my own plane set i go through these same stages. I only fly German Iron so it goes between 190s and 109, also the occasional TA - 152.
Ill find myself only flying doras a whole tour, or only 109s or only A-8s. Very normal.
Good topic. :aok
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My all-time favorites (not necessarily in game, though):
FW190A series
Corsairs
Spitfires (IX and XIV)
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-Both, despite being old, worn out, designed decades prior and totally outclassed by modern rivals... somehow hold their own against them.
109 out-classed? In reality, maybe to a certain degree, in AHII, definitely not.
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109 out-classed? In reality, maybe to a certain degree, in AHII, definitely not.
I'm sure we'll be seeing you in your uber E-4 then ;)
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I'm sure we'll be seeing you in your uber E-4 then ;)
The E in it's time was an quite a dominant aircraft... except against the spitfire... as were the F, the G, and the K...
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I go thru various periods where I get obsessed with one particular airplane. Im wondering if this is odd or if anyone else goes thru the same thing. Lately I just love the P-38, which got me out of my 2 day Spit obsession. Ive gone thru periods of obsession with B-24s, 17s, 26s, KI-67s, Jugs, Spits, LAs, Hellkittys, Corsairs, and I have a few waiting in line to get obsessed about. Like the Yak and C-205.
I cant seem to stick with one or two thru a tour.
I couldnt name a "favorite airplane". I could only name "todays favorite".
What airplane is currently "obsessing you"?
Thats a hard one, I always have a little group which you'll always see me flying.
P-47D40, P-47D11, 109G6, 109F4, P-51B/D, F4U-1A/B/C/-4, Spitfire Mk. V, P-40E, Typhoon, P-39D/Q (frequently).
I usually stick to the American planeset now but you'll see me mostly in P-51s, F4Us, Jugs and P-39s now.
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Definitely obssessed with the Ta152. I flew a few sorties in F4Us and P47s just now.. TnB, and hitting from 500 out is a walk in the park.. It was like watching lightning bolts crack your targets in two from a distance.. and once back into the 152, it was horribly hard to hit and it took an eternity to respond to control inputs, and then wandered drunkenly trying to do what you ask it to... But soon enough I get used to it again and I still love it.
The D9 is a close second, but the guns are just anemic. The 410 is going to be great. If it gets MK103s, it'll have to be a real brick to not make a kick bellybutton dogfighter.
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What airplane is currently "obsessing you"?
P-38 but i've got a restraining order out on me that prevents me from going within 500ft of one.
ack-ack
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i get obsessed with every plane in the world sometimes but one thing i dont get is the b25 it was aircraft carrier based because of the doolittle raid on tokyo japan air carrier was to get 400 miles in japans backyard and launch the b25
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I'm sure we'll be seeing you in your uber E-4 then ;)
You named the red-headed stepchild and you know it! :D
Comparing Emil to Gustav-2, G-14, or Kurt, its not even like comparing Spit1 to Spit16, its more like comparing the P-40B to the P-38. On top of their generally respectable engine performances, the 109F makes a smaller turning circle than the Spit9/8/16, and the G-2 doesn't come off too badly. The 109K4 cleanly whips its highspeed rival, the P-51, in this area too. If the 109s had been as good in R/L as they are in AHII, I think the 190 series would have been dismissed as a fool's errand and we'd be speaking German on this forum! :eek:
BTW, I chase down runstangs in a Dora rather than a Kurt for two reasons: One, I am a lousy shot, and stand little chance of ever hitting anything with a tater gun. :D Two, and more importantly, one MUST fly a 190 to avoid having an unfair advantage over those dedicated enough to fly that lame excuse for a Mustang we have right now. :salute all AHII Pony pilots.
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If the 109s had been as good in R/L as they are in AHII, I think the 190 series would have been dismissed as a fool's errand and we'd be speaking German on this forum! :eek:
If the Nazis had F-15s in WWII that still wouldn't have happened because Hitler would have made them all photo reconnisance. The only way the Nazis would have won was to remove Hitler, but if Hitler wasn't there, there wouldn't be a war...
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LOL, okay, granted it is difficult to see one land-locked country winning when its leader insists on starting a 3 front war with most of the other major powers on the planet.
But what I say about the 190, it remains true. The 109 is so good in AHII that the vaunted Butcherbird seems like a waste of time in comparison. The AH 109's extremely good turning ability offers something no 190 can touch, and the 190's better controls don't amount to all that much advantage either. The planes that were supposed to historically have high-speed control surface issues don't seem to suffer them in AHII until over ~400IAS, which is mostly waaaaaay too fast for dogfighting anyway. (Its not just the 109s either, when I tested the 110s prior FSO, an aircraft whose elevator purportedly became really stiff at high speeds, I didn't experience any real problems there until over 400. Even the Zeros seem to tolerate speed better than you'd think from historical accounts.)
If the Nazis had F-15s in WWII that still wouldn't have happened because Hitler would have made them all photo reconnisance. The only way the Nazis would have won was to remove Hitler, but if Hitler wasn't there, there wouldn't be a war...
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LOL, okay, granted it is difficult to see one land-locked country winning when its leader insists on starting a 3 front war with most of the other major powers on the planet.
But what I say about the 190, it remains true. The 109 is so good in AHII that the vaunted Butcherbird seems like a waste of time in comparison. The AH 109's extremely good turning ability offers something no 190 can touch, and the 190's better controls don't amount to all that much advantage either. The planes that were supposed to historically have high-speed control surface issues don't seem to suffer them in AHII until over ~400IAS, which is mostly waaaaaay too fast for dogfighting anyway. (Its not just the 109s either, when I tested the 110s prior FSO, an aircraft whose elevator purportedly became really stiff at high speeds, I didn't experience any real problems there until over 400. Even the Zeros seem to tolerate speed better than you'd think from historical accounts.)
Actually, I remember reading somewhere one day that the 109's compression point was ~400, at which point the pilot would have to use a hand crank to manually trim elevators. Evidently, the hand crank was very difficult to move, and required some strength. It seems to me, based on that, that the 109's are modeled pretty well.
The Butcher Birds in game will dive at almost 600 with no compression. Only buffeting.
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Hrmmm? I'm not talking about compression in the 109 here, it just seems like you experience no signifigant reduction in elevator authority or roll rate in the 109 under 400. And this conflicts with some things I have read and the handling traits of the planes portrayed in other flight sims. ALL the aircraft in AHII seem to handle speed better than they are supposed to, the problem being that having better handling at 450mph+ indicated doesn't really cut much hay, because of the conservative black-out limit and because two fighters would have to be power-diving to get the fight that fast anyway.
Our little pixelated pilot in AHII has so much upper-body strength, I think he needs to be tested for PEDs.
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What happens to the 109 at 400+ IAS isn't compression.
Also - the significance of the Dora's roll rate is often overlooked. Huge advantage.
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What happens to the 109 at 400+ IAS isn't compression.
Yes, I realized that after typing it but was too lazy to change it. Now I'm forced to do even more work to respond. :mad: :furious
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I will have a constant obsession with the F4U and F6F. The 38 gets in the mix as well when i want to get some fast with a lot of ord.
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Yes, I realized that after typing it but was too lazy to change it. Now I'm forced to do even more work to respond. :mad: :furious
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Hrmmm? I'm not talking about compression in the 109 here, it just seems like you experience no signifigant reduction in elevator authority or roll rate in the 109 under 400. And this conflicts with some things I have read and the handling traits of the planes portrayed in other flight sims. ALL the aircraft in AHII seem to handle speed better than they are supposed to, the problem being that having better handling at 450mph+ indicated doesn't really cut much hay, because of the conservative black-out limit and because two fighters would have to be power-diving to get the fight that fast anyway.
Our little pixelated pilot in AHII has so much upper-body strength, I think he needs to be tested for PEDs.
I agree. Zeke was supposed to be IMPOSSIBLE to turn left at high speed, (I think it was left, might have been right... I dont recall) and so the Navy pilots at the time were advised to dive away to the left and the Zeke could not POSSIBLY follow them. I understand the war department might have overestimated that issue in the Zeke, but I was in a 109G14 last night diving away from 2 A6M2s who started about 5k above me (I don't like 2v1, ESPECIALLY when I have so much less E than them) and I was well over 400 IAS and they were solid right behind me, with no rolling/turning in either direction.
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I agree. Zeke was supposed to be IMPOSSIBLE to turn left at high speed, (I think it was left, might have been right... I dont recall) and so the Navy pilots at the time were advised to dive away to the left and the Zeke could not POSSIBLY follow them. I understand the war department might have overestimated that issue in the Zeke, but I was in a 109G14 last night diving away from 2 A6M2s who started about 5k above me (I don't like 2v1, ESPECIALLY when I have so much less E than them) and I was well over 400 IAS and they were solid right behind me, with no rolling/turning in either direction.
Same with the Ki-61 in real life but that doesn't seem to happen with the Ki-61 in AH.
ack-ack
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Zeke was supposed to be IMPOSSIBLE to turn left at high speed, (I think it was left, might have been right... I dont recall)
It is. Especially the A6M2. In fact it's worse than that. At high speed it yaws to one side and takes every bit of aileron and rudder to keep it going straight. Try one.