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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Ack-Ack on June 08, 2008, 05:54:36 AM
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This is my wish list for the planes I would like to see eventually added to the game. Yes, it's mostly slanted towards early to mid war planes but that a large gap in the current plane set. Yes, I do realize that some will come in here to post how such and such a plane will be a hanger queen in the LW arena. Well, duh. These planes will help fill out the large hole in the early war set and fill up some gaps in the mid war but mostly help flesh out the EW arena.
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Ju-87B-1
Do 17Z-2
P.Z.L. P.11
P.Z.L. P.37 Los B
P..Z.L. P.23b
Ca 310 Libeccio
Gloster Gladiator Mk II
Gloster Gauntlet
Fokker G.1A
Morane-Saulnier MS.406
He 111H-2
Fiat BR.20M
Beaufighter Mk I
Blenheim Mk IV
Hampden Mk I/TB.Mk I
Westland Whirlwind
SM.81 Pipistrello
Ju 52
Martin Maryland Mk II
Fairey Fulmar Mk I
Fiat CR.32
SM.79
Breguet Br.693
CANT Z.1007
Dewoitine D.520 (with both French and Regia Aeronautica skins)
Reggiane Re 2001 CN2
G-55/1 Centauro
Polikarpov I-15
Pe-2
Yak-1
MiG-3
LaGG-3
Yak-7
Lisunov Li-2 (w/ordnance option of VUS-1 dorsal turret)
Whitworth Whitley Mk V
Halifax Mk II
Vickers Wellington Mk.XIV
Stirling B.Mk III
Martin Maryland
Martin Baltimore
PTO
Ki-27
Curtiss Hawk 75
G3M2
G4M1
Brewster Buffalo (B-339)
Ki-21
Ki-48
Ki-49-IIa
Ki-46-II
Ki-45
Ki-44-IIb
Ki-43
J2M3
B6N2
ack-ack
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How many more can we go on this? :rofl
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Mate, that's quite a wish given the rate of development over the past 8 years. This is my wish list...
Update all the current aircraft to AH2 levels
Add a realistic weather environment with real time weather engine.
Variety of real world Maps with realistic terrain Mesh,Landclass and seasonal Textures.
Then start working on new planes.
One wish that could go in tomorrow, dump dot dar! This isn't X-Wing.
<S>...-Gixer
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I'm waiting for the "not big enough guns" remarks. :rolleyes:
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How many more can we go on this? :rofl
Start your own BBS and charge for it. Then you get to say :)
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ETO
Ju-87B-1
Do 17Z-2
P.Z.L. P.11
P.Z.L. P.37 Los B
P..Z.L. P.23b
Ca 310 Libeccio
Gloster Gladiator Mk II
Gloster Gauntlet
Fokker G.1A
Morane-Saulnier MS.406
He 111H-2
Fiat BR.20M
Beaufighter Mk I
Blenheim Mk IV
Hampden Mk I/TB.Mk I
Westland Whirlwind
SM.81 Pipistrello
Ju 52
Martin Maryland Mk II
Fairey Fulmar Mk I
Fiat CR.32
SM.79
Breguet Br.693
CANT Z.1007
Dewoitine D.520 (with both French and Regia Aeronautica skins)
Reggiane Re 2001 CN2
G-55/1 Centauro
Polikarpov I-15
Pe-2
Yak-1
MiG-3
LaGG-3
Yak-7
Lisunov Li-2 (w/ordnance option of VUS-1 dorsal turret)
Whitworth Whitley Mk V
Halifax Mk II
Vickers Wellington Mk.XIV
Stirling B.Mk III
Martin Maryland
Martin Baltimore
That is one weird list! :confused:
While having lot of planes that would definitely fill gaps like you said, there most certainly are many that wouldn't...
Gloster Gauntlet is a good example, what gap would it fill? Only action that it saw in the war was limited ground support in RAF colours against Italians. Even Finnish Air Force, desperate for combat aircraft, didn't use it in combat except brief experiments as a night fighter (no kills).
Then you have a Reggiane Re 2001 CN2 on the list which was a night fighter version of the fighter with only 74 built and at the same time missing the most important Italian fighter, the C.200. Again I really don't see exactly which gap Re 2001 CN2 would fill? Also why CR.32 and no CR.42? And so on...
These (for example) I certainly agree on:
Beaufighter
Ju-87B-1
Polikarpov I-153
Pe-2
Yak-1
MiG-3
LaGG-3
Yak-7
Vickers Wellington
Gloster Gladiator Mk II
SM.79
CANT Z.1007
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Mate, that's quite a wish given the rate of development over the past 8 years. This is my wish list...
<S>...-Gixer
Oh, I don't expect these planes to be added in my lifetime, think of it as my gift to the future generations of AH players.
ack-ack
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Oh, I don't expect these planes to be added in my lifetime, think of it as my gift to the future generations of AH players.
ack-ack
And a damn good list. <<S>> AckAck
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Oh, I don't expect these planes to be added in my lifetime, think of it as my gift to the future generations of AH players.
ack-ack
Gee, such a generous wh*re, and all this time I thought your only gift to future generations would be a training video on "how to steal kills" and a new strain of incurable STD. :D
<S>...-Gixer
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I thought your only gift to future generations would be a training video on "how to steal kills"
F4U 1C/typhoon/Tempest/262 and no tracers :D :lol
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That is one weird list! :confused:
Gloster Gauntlet is a good example, what gap would it fill? Only action that it saw in the war was limited ground support in RAF colours against Italians. Even Finnish Air Force, desperate for combat aircraft, didn't use it in combat except brief experiments as a night fighter (no kills).
It fills the early war 1939-1940 gap as it was the Danes primary fighter when they surrendered.
ack-ack
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Gee, such a generous wh*re, and all this time I thought your only gift to future generations would be a training video on "how to steal kills" and a new strain of incurable STD. :D
<S>...-Gixer
As the future player flying a Westland Whirlwind is trying to scratch that burning feeling away, he'll thank and curse me in the same breath.
ack-ack
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well, I say thats about it.... :lol
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As the future player flying a Westland Whirlwind is trying to scratch that burning feeling away, he'll thank and curse me in the same breath.
ack-ack
:rofl :rofl :rofl
<S>...-Gixer
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I'm waiting for the "not big enough guns" remarks. :rolleyes:
Their guns aren't big enough. I don't want them. Your list is not 1337 enough. :noid :noid
In other news,...
You forgot the A-26 :cry :cry
But I am glad to see the Beaufighter and D.520 in there!
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Yossarian
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Ack Ack:
buttttt... you forgot the Me 410 :o a much needed A/C for the up coming CT. :aok
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basicly, what ack ack is trying to say is just give us the n00k! :D
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basicly, what ack ack is trying to say is just give us the n00k! :D
I was sad to see that you got your replacement computer so fast.
ack-ack
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Ack Ack:
buttttt... you forgot the Me 410 :o a much needed A/C for the up coming CT. :aok
I don't think you caught the gist of my wishlist.
ack-ack
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There's filling holes, then there's just plain inconsequential....
Do 17Z-2 - obsolete before BOB, already being withdrawn, small % in BOB bomber force, after that none.
P.Z.L. P.11
P.Z.L. P.37 Los B
P..Z.L. P.23b
You want 3 1930s designs that are fairly obsolete by the time the war starts, that only took a very small part in the Polish invasion, and fought in extremely small numbers?
Why not include the Stearman biplane? It had about as much impact on the war as these 3 did.
Ca 310 Libeccio
Do you even know the planes you're requesting? This is a plane that had such bad performance during the Spanish Civil War, it wasn't suitable for WW2 use. Quick paste from wikipedia: "The Ca.310 was not considered an effective combat aircraft and when it saw service during World War II, it was as a reconnaissance aircraft and as a light bomber in areas where no serious opposition was expected"
Gloster Gladiator Mk II - maybe a small hole, but pushed out of service at the beginning stage of the war
Gloster Gauntlet - 1935 plane, obsolete, only 1 squadron in the early weeks of the war, "The last use of Gauntlets in UK was for meteorological observations and the last such flight made by a Gauntlet were carried out on 6 December 1939 by K5280 of the Aldergrove Meteorological Flight."
I'm just gonna stop here. Dude, you're asking for every obscure plane for no reason, regardless of the (lack of) impact they had on the war.
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AND we're off !!!
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Somebody had to say it.
I think Ack-ack is above trolling, so I took it as an honest (serious) post. In response, I felt he needed an honest (serious) retort about the importance of his selections.
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I'm just gonna stop here. Dude, you're asking for every obscure plane for no reason, regardless of the (lack of) impact they had on the war.
Since when was the criteria that they had some sort of 'impact' on the war? What impact did the C.202 or C.205 have?
Those Polish planes were their top of the line fighters at the start of WW2 in 1939 (you do know that's when the war started, right?) and were used to fight valiently against far superior numbers and equipment. There is no reason not to add them to an early war plane set. In case you didn't know, our early war setup is anything but as nothing covers 1939-1940 (other than a limited BoB setup) the true early war period. A good deal of the planes I listed would fit great in a true early war set up of 1939-1940.
Of course I don't expect any of the planes I listed to get added to the game, it's just a wishlist after all. Though, maybe if I was to put in a late war ride, you'd be more receptive.
ack-ack
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I was sad to see that you got your replacement computer so fast.
ack-ack
38$ fast shipping :aok
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ack-ack, the pzl pl11 was a 1931 design that was not a modern design. Its top speed was 180mph, horrifyingly slow by the time WW2 came around. Planes at the tail end of WWI were just about that fast.
The pl 37 was the most advanced plane for Poland when the war broke out, but it was still a 1935 design and had limited capabilities. The PZL 27 was extremely slow and unmanuverable, being a recon/light bomber. Bravely (?) used, the majority were destroyed as they (I would say almost suicidally) attacked german armor columns moving into Poland.
None of these planes are "modern" -- the 27 being the closest thing to anything the rest of the world had.
Basically Polish aviation was still in its infancy, and stalled there since the early 30s.
P.S. The C202 was the most produced single model for Italy during the war.* The C205, in equal numbers with the G55 later, was the main frontline fighter after 1543 or so. You have any Italian planes, these two cover the beginning and the end of the war for Italy, so both are somewhat significant. 'Course the C200 or the G.50 would fill a minor super-early hole in the IT planeset.
*= There were 200 more Cr.42s made than C.202s, but these were admittedly obsolete pre war and being phased out for C.200s and G.50s, so I don't count them as "during the war"
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Could someone refresh my memory. What year was the spit, hurri, and the 109 designed?
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Could someone refresh my memory. What year was the spit, hurri, and the 109 designed?
1933 IIRC
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Try what year did it first fly?
The years for the PZL planes were first flown, not first designed -- look even earlier to find the design dates.
P.S. One can hardly compare a 109B with a 109E, by the way. Nor can one claim that a plane considered obsolete in the SCW was going to be even remotely "modern" in WW2. Even the most advanced of planes in the SCW needed major revision/updates to be competitive in WW2, whereas the polish designs remained unchanged in their obsolescence.
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Mate, that's quite a wish given the rate of development over the past 8 years. This is my wish list...
Update all the current aircraft to AH2 levels
Add a realistic weather environment with real time weather engine.
Variety of real world Maps with realistic terrain Mesh,Landclass and seasonal Textures.
Then start working on new planes.
I second that. :aok
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ack-ack, the pzl pl11 was a 1931 design
Try what year did it first fly?
Then why say "a 1931" design?
I know it's wiki but here goes.
Spitfire----- Maiden flight 5 March 1936
Hurri--------Maiden flight 6 November 1935
109----------Maiden flight 28 May 1935
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ack-ack, the pzl pl11 was a 1931 design that was not a modern design. Its top speed was 180mph, horrifyingly slow by the time WW2 came around. Planes at the tail end of WWI were just about that fast.
The pl 37 was the most advanced plane for Poland when the war broke out, but it was still a 1935 design and had limited capabilities. The PZL 27 was extremely slow and unmanuverable, being a recon/light bomber. Bravely (?) used, the majority were destroyed as they (I would say almost suicidally) attacked german armor columns moving into Poland.
None of these planes are "modern" -- the 27 being the closest thing to anything the rest of the world had.
Basically Polish aviation was still in its infancy, and stalled there since the early 30s.
P.S. The C202 was the most produced single model for Italy during the war.* The C205, in equal numbers with the G55 later, was the main frontline fighter after 1543 or so. You have any Italian planes, these two cover the beginning and the end of the war for Italy, so both are somewhat significant. 'Course the C200 or the G.50 would fill a minor super-early hole in the IT planeset.
*= There were 200 more Cr.42s made than C.202s, but these were admittedly obsolete pre war and being phased out for C.200s and G.50s, so I don't count them as "during the war"
What you fail to grasp is that at the start of the war, very few European countries had a modern airforce. Almost all the Low Countries and the Northern countries flew 1930 era planes but regardless when these planes were designed, they were front line fighters for these countries at the start of the war in 1939. As such, these planes should be part of an early war setup as they accurately portray the planeset for that time frame (1939 - 1940).
Just as you can make the argument to add the I-16 for Soviet early war, the same can be made for the other countries (China is one) that flew the plane as well in an early war set up.
ack-ack
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Sorry to dig on an old thread but here goes.
Being a Polish national and currently sitting on the tarrace of my rather large family home on the outskirts of Warsaw sipping on a Tyskie overlooking the dusk filled sky with the sun setting on the forest outside of my fence with my laptop on the table i came across Krusty's BS.
In the debate as to whether add polish early war fighters such as the p.11c he stated with outmost belief that
a- Poland did not put up a long fight and stated that France put up a much BIGGER fight
b- Poland did NOT play a significant role in post 1939 WW2 dynamics.
I nearly choked on my Tyskie when I read that.
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Krusty, I do not know how good of a pilot you are but you sure didn't pay attention in history class, if you went to school at all.
Let me enlighten you somewhat.
Poland was invaded on september 1st, 1939. On September 17th, the Soviet Union invaded from the East making a coordinated defense from behind the Vistula impossible. Warsaw subsequently fell to the opposing forces on September 28th, 1939, with some very brave pockets of resistance continuing for more days in face of impossible odds, now legend in our history books.
What you seem to miss is that
a-Poland was first to fight, therefor had the least time to prepare, and was invaded from both sides, east and west. And yet we held out for a full 4 weeks!
b- France was invaded on may 10th 1940, and capitulated on June 22nd, 1940. Thts 4/5 weeks. How is that MUCH more? Considering it had a full year to prepare, was only attacked by Germany and they had to sweep through holland first and also had to fight the British on French soil? The French didn't defend Paris, they just gave it away.
Another thing you seem to be ignorant of, is that during the rest of the war, Polands army (and yes, we had an army even after our country was raised!) was the 4th largest of ALL armies in the war! Yes!!! You can type google.com and press search it if you dont believe me!
Saying it had NO to little significance is simply false. Know your facts before you enter such a discussion.
Now it is not my point to belittle french resistance, or any other countries significance in the war, but to read such a thread belittling my grandfathers contribution is a pure insult.
And yes, I do think the addition of the p11c would be somewhat interesting :aok I would definitely fly it just for kicks.
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The pl 37 was the most advanced plane for Poland when the war broke out, but it was still a 1935 design and had limited capabilities. The PZL 27 was extremely slow and unmanuverable, being a recon/light bomber. Bravely (?) used, the majority were destroyed as they (I would say almost suicidally) attacked german armor columns moving into Poland.
You know what? I am sick to death of your lack of knowledge and flat out arrogance on these boards. This post is the last straw, you "mock" the only country in WWII that fought with more to lose than any country involved. The US and UK sold them out after all was said and done. You don't know crap about Polish history Krusty, so cut the crap in the future ok? You DON'T know it all, so stop pretending that you do.
You make me sick with that post and that is all I'll say. Keep spewing this crap around your dinner table to the "weak and feeble" who will be sad enough to believe you. Leave the "opinions" that you conjure up in your head and not on these boards. The sad thing is someone young is naive enough to recite your GROSSLY incorrect drivel and pawn it off as fact, as have you.
Now let's increase the ante. You mock the Poles by saying "Bravely?" Yes brave, although you're false on the PZL.27 (LMFAO), the PZL.11's attacked the incoming 88's to Warsaw. The PZL.11's exhausted their ammo into the bombers and if that didn't work, they rammed them. MANY 88's were felled in this manner. Pissing on their honor as you have is simply disgusting and gut wrenching.
For my final word in this post, you are wrong about the PZL.27 attacking armored columns. Not a single PZL.27 attacked a Panzer. I don't even need to google this one, I suggest you do that for your bruised ego though. Now that I think about it, you haven't a clue of what the PZL.27 really was, because it sure as hell wasn't a bomber.
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Sorry to dig on an old thread but here goes.
Being a Polish national and currently sitting on the tarrace of my rather large family home on the outskirts of Warsaw sipping on a Tyskie overlooking the dusk filled sky with the sun setting on the forest outside of my fence with my laptop on the table i came across Krusty's BS.
In the debate as to whether add polish early war fighters such as the p.11c he stated with outmost belief that
a- Poland did not put up a long fight and stated that France put up a much BIGGER fight
b- Poland did NOT play a significant role in post 1939 WW2 dynamics.
I nearly choked on my Tyskie when I read that.
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Krusty, I do not know how good of a pilot you are but you sure didn't pay attention in history class, if you went to school at all.
Let me enlighten you somewhat.
Poland was invaded on september 1st, 1939. On September 17th, the Soviet Union invaded from the East making a coordinated defense from behind the Vistula impossible. Warsaw subsequently fell to the opposing forces on September 28th, 1939, with some very brave pockets of resistance continuing for more days in face of impossible odds, now legend in our history books.
What you seem to miss is that
a-Poland was first to fight, therefor had the least time to prepare, and was invaded from both sides, east and west. And yet we held out for a full 4 weeks!
b- France was invaded on may 10th 1940, and capitulated on June 22nd, 1940. Thts 4/5 weeks. How is that MUCH more? Considering it had a full year to prepare, was only attacked by Germany and they had to sweep through holland first and also had to fight the British on French soil? The French didn't defend Paris, they just gave it away.
Another thing you seem to be ignorant of, is that during the rest of the war, Polands army (and yes, we had an army even after our country was raised!) was the 4th largest of ALL armies in the war! Yes!!! You can type google.com and press search it if you dont believe me!
Saying it had NO to little significance is simply false. Know your facts before you enter such a discussion.
Now it is not my point to belittle french resistance, or any other countries significance in the war, but to read such a thread belittling my grandfathers contribution is a pure insult.
And yes, I do think the addition of the p11c would be somewhat interesting :aok I would definitely fly it just for kicks.
Well said sir! <S>
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Good list Ack-Ack, combined with the other Wishlist for the early war, it would be a great thing to behold.
Too bad most of the AH users skip the EW and MW and go for the arena where they can fly the P-51D's and other fancy end of war planes, never even trying the EW because they cant fly the uber planes.
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you don't ask for much akak!
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Interesting list, though I don't think it would hurt to throw the A6M3 in there, or maybe even the A5M since it's a list of rather old planes.
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what about the gloster meteor?!!!!! :uhoh :cry :mad: :frown: :rofl :noid :salute :rock :t :o :D ;)
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you don't ask for much akak!
Hehe, I realize the list is a tad long but that just shows how glaring the gaps are in the early war plane set.
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Hehe, I realize the list is a tad long but that just shows how glaring the gaps are in the early war plane set.
ack-ack
i say bring em all on! I need more targets!
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Mine:
Pe-8
Ju-87G
109D
D4Y
I-16
Ki 43
J2M
B6N
Ki 102
Meteor
Beaufighter
SM.79
Cant Z. 1007
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Dude, these are never going to get used in the late war arenas. Hanger queens galore.
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Dude, these are never going to get used in the late war arenas. Hanger queens galore.
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good thing we have a EW and MW arena then, Not to mention special events.......I know its hard for some to grasp but LW orange is not the only place you can fly, we have lots of other cool stuff within AH :rock
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ACK-ACK - Believe me, I do love you. Do the drugs ever wear off is my question?
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good thing we have a EW and MW arena then, Not to mention special events.......I know its hard for some to grasp but LW orange is not the only place you can fly, we have lots of other cool stuff within AH :rock
No one ever flies there, the planes suck. Only stuff made after 44' is worth anything.
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ACK-ACK - Believe me, I do love you. Do the drugs ever wear off is my question?
I thought when HT flushed H2H down the toilet, you'd be flushed along with it. I guess not. I take it when HT bans your latest forum account, we'll see you return as BEARING4?
ack-ack
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:noid
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Ju-87B-1
Do 17Z-2
P.Z.L. P.11
P.Z.L. P.37 Los B
P..Z.L. P.23b
Ca 310 Libeccio
Gloster Gladiator Mk II
Gloster Gauntlet
Fokker G.1A
Morane-Saulnier MS.406
He 111H-2
Fiat BR.20M
Beaufighter Mk I
Blenheim Mk IV
Hampden Mk I/TB.Mk I
Westland Whirlwind
SM.81 Pipistrello
Ju 52
Martin Maryland Mk II
Fairey Fulmar Mk I
Fiat CR.32
SM.79
Breguet Br.693
CANT Z.1007
Dewoitine D.520 (with both French and Regia Aeronautica skins)
Reggiane Re 2001 CN2
G-55/1 Centauro
Polikarpov I-15
Pe-2
Yak-1
MiG-3
LaGG-3
Yak-7
Lisunov Li-2 (w/ordnance option of VUS-1 dorsal turret)
Whitworth Whitley Mk V
Halifax Mk II
Vickers Wellington Mk.XIV
Stirling B.Mk III
Martin Maryland
Martin Baltimore
PTO
Ki-27
Curtiss Hawk 75
G3M2
G4M1
Brewster Buffalo (B-339)
Ki-21
Ki-48
Ki-49-IIa
Ki-46-II
Ki-45
Ki-44-IIb
Ki-43
J2M3
B6N2
How many are France, Finland, Vichy France, Austria, Poland, Australia, Norway and New Zeland
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No one ever flies there, the planes suck. Only stuff made after 44' is worth anything.
You ever stop to consider that maybe the reason "no one flies there" is due to the lack of choice of aircraft?
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Only stuff made after 44' is worth anything.
So the Spit 9, P-38J, 109G2 and G6, and Typhoon are crap to you? :rofl
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The G6 we have is a '43 design. The G6s made in '44 were far modified, closer to the G14 than the G6 model we have.
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Yes i know, but he is stating that anything before '44 is crap, which is a myth
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He was being sarcastic... :rolleyes:
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You ever stop to consider that maybe the reason "no one flies there" is due to the lack of choice of aircraft?
Yes i know, but he is stating that anything before '44 is crap, which is a myth
So the Spit 9, P-38J, 109G2 and G6, and Typhoon are crap to you? :rofl
Spit the hook out before it's too late.
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Nice list, Ack-Ack. I'd imagine some of those planes would be a real nightmare to deal with when flown by someone trying (seriously). I'm talking in the late war arena at that.
But, I do have to ask... Where's the Boomerang? :(
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So the Spit 9, P-38J, 109G2 and G6, and Typhoon are crap to you? :rofl
Yes, particularly the 38J.
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Yes I was being sarcastic. I write back on you ACK-ACK because you like to put people down. My responses to your critisism only mirrors your feedback. I know you hate it, but please just smile, cause I am extremely educated with your personality disorder :aok
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Spit the hook out before it's too late.
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I dunno -- it's kind a deep in there.
Anyone have a pair of pliars?
Anyone?
Little help! :uhoh
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I don't mess with deep, keep it shallow, than you can see better
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I dunno -- it's kind a deep in there.
Anyone have a pair of pliars?
Anyone?
Little help! :uhoh
Here, I catch and release.
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Whew! Thanks! :aok
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Yes I was being sarcastic. I write back on you ACK-ACK because you like to put people down. My responses to your critisism only mirrors your feedback. I know you hate it, but please just smile, cause I am extremely educated with your personality disorder :aok
Other than your usual moronic post, please show me where in this thread I insulted anyone? Now, go and run off like a good little boy before HiTech decides to yank your parolee status and flush you back down the toilet.
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