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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mustaine on June 08, 2008, 10:18:53 PM
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1977 KZ650
Had someone come with and check it out top to bottom. As of last summer and not driven since: Brand new tires front and back, brand new rotors / brakes, new fork seals, brand new battery, and a few other tidbits.
15,000 miles and started right up, kick start too.
I Paid $950, he's giving a helmet too. I gave $500 have the keys, and will return in next 2 days with the balance.
I'm giddy with anticipation :D :aok :D :D
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Ok I see a couple of pics of a red thing with wheels n it
But wheres the pic of the motorcycle?
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Just funn'n ya.
Congrats. Have fun. Stay safe.
And keep your mouth closed when you ride in rural areas particularly at night unless you want a protien rich diet
LOL
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Good for you. Now, remember, the round black things stay pointed Down! That is not a crotch rocket, it does hurt when you fall, have fun :)
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Thanks :D
My goal is to drive safe and slow, and spend less than 1.5 gallons per week going to and from work :aok yeah I loved riding back when I was young and dumb, then I jumped and biffed hard on the landing and learned my "don't be stupid on a motorcycle" lesson. I was all of oh 15 LOL but that lesson still sticks in my head.
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deadpool for dave begins now.
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just kiddin bro. be safe! be cool as poo.
:rock
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Ok I see a couple of pics of a red thing with wheels n it
But wheres the pic of the motorcycle?
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Here ya go....
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj196/bustergrn/101_0511.jpg)
I mean, in case you needed to see a real motorcycle....
Sorry Mustane. I'm just messing with ya ;)
That will be one gas saving little monster you got there!
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Great! have fun with it! :aok
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Do a Wheelie!!!
And post a pic.
:D
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Best of luck with it, you'll have a blast! Plus those early Jap bikes are fun to work on. Toured all over UK and parts of Europe on a 80's GS1000 only wish I hadn't sold it to pay for my fare home... :cry
<S>...-Gixer
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Do a Wheelie!!!
The only time that thing will ever get the front wheel off the ground is when it's being winched onto the tow truck.
Not a bad looking thing though I suppose. Get some steel soled boots though Mustaine, 650cc kick start.......and always be very serious about your start ups. Knew a fella once had a Husqvarna 500, thing was a b**** to kick start. One day he was feeling lazy and gave it a half-hearted kick.....starter handle then got caught by the torque and pitched him clean over a 6' wall. This was a 6'4" 200lb fella.
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You'll put your eye out with that thing, kid.
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"You'll put your eye out, you'll put your eye out." :)
What engine do you have in that 70's disco bike?
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Thanks :D
My goal is to drive safe and slow, and spend less than 1.5 gallons per week going to and from work :aok yeah I loved riding back when I was young and dumb, then I jumped and biffed hard on the landing and learned my "don't be stupid on a motorcycle" lesson. I was all of oh 15 LOL but that lesson still sticks in my head.
Keep the shiny side up..... :D
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Here ya go....
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj196/bustergrn/101_0511.jpg)
I mean, in case you needed to see a real motorcycle....
That is a real motorcycle?
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real or not... the road rash and severed limbs will be real.
Be careful. I have been in more bike crashes than I care to think about. These days I just putt around the neighborhood on a r75 BMW my son gave me.. it is different enough and dependable enough to be fun but I know the risks I am taking.. the gas prices have made it a little safer.. less traffic. I even put my little grad daughter on the thing. we went for a ride across town to the park and walked around the park.. another little trip to walmart to get her some jeans.
lazs
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I'd love to run a bike, but here in SoCal its just not a good idea:
1. The roads are full of holes
2. The roads are covered in debris
3. The average quality of driving is pretty terrifying
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This is a motorcycle!
(http://dirtbike.off-road.com/dirtbike/data/articlestandard/dirtbike/232006/332532/KX250_09.jpg)
Nearly killed myself on one of these going too fast through a plateu jump, n00b mistake yeah lol. Almost broke the neck in the fall. Never did get a road license, now 10 years down the road(s) I just might!
As long as you feel at home riding your bike, it's the bike for you. :aok
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Stampf requesting launch clearance...
(http://ahjg11.webs.com/DSC00828.JPG)
Been seriously hurting myself for years now...
Great classic ride there "Mustaine". :aok
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That's not a bike, it's a jeep with two wheels missing.
A real bike.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-8/48257/zx-10r.jpg)
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That is a real motorcycle?
Yes
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snip
Knew a fella once had a Husqvarna 500, thing was a b**** to kick start. One day he was feeling lazy and gave it a half-hearted kick.....starter handle then got caught by the torque and pitched him clean over a 6' wall. This was a 6'4" 200lb fella.
Oh, please.
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Back in the days of high octane, leaded gas, Harley engines had 9:1 compression ratio, and my '63 Sportster landed me half over handlebars more than once (words fail me in describing how embarrassing that is in front of a biker bar :confused:)
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:lol
I had a Yamaha TT600 -86, that beast would give you sore legs if you didn't kick it right! Great offroad bike but too big for trails imo. Few people can ride a 600 to its full potential, but the raw power of a big thumper on a gravel road (or open country) really is something else.
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<--- had a '69 Triumph, Bitc Hen black.
Loved and Hated the bike...sometimes.
Those were the Days my friend...
Ride safe Bro.
Mac
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the older harleys would bite you if you tried to start em at 35 degrees advanced. Mostly only hurt the knees of guys with bad knees to start with tho. never seen anyone "thrown" but seen some guys fall forward onto the handlebars or fall off whining like little girls about their knee.
The foul little 2 stroke dirt bikes of 400 or 500 cc were really bad.. they would really hurt your foot.. what would happen was the kicker would go down faster than you could push it and then the motor would catch and the kicker would fly back up really really fast.. faster than you could see.. and smack the bottom of your foot black and blue.
lazs
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the older harleys would bite you if you tried to start em at 35 degrees advanced. Mostly only hurt the knees of guys with bad knees to start with tho. never seen anyone "thrown" but seen some guys fall forward onto the handlebars or fall off whining like little girls about their knee.
The foul little 2 stroke dirt bikes of 400 or 500 cc were really bad.. they would really hurt your foot.. what would happen was the kicker would go down faster than you could push it and then the motor would catch and the kicker would fly back up really really fast.. faster than you could see.. and smack the bottom of your foot black and blue.
lazs
Oh yeah...I had the CR500. No thankee ma'am! Even my 250 up there packs a wallop if you're not careful.
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Wow, it looks just like the '78 KZ650 my Dad had when I was a kid. Those things are a blast to ride, and I'd say you got a good deal on it. I have a basket case '75 Kawasaki Z1 (900cc) in the garage that I am in the process of chopping. In the mean time I've been riding my '01 Shadow 1100 and love it. Don't let anyone give you a hard time about your choice of bike, the important thing is to ride safe and have fun. Besides, the really fun part of riding a Jap bike, is passing all the broke down H-D's on the side of the road :aok
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My Honda VTX doesn't even have a kick starter, was kinda disappointed in that.
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I'll tell you what we tell our new sailors.
"Upside down is slow."
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Wow, it looks just like the '78 KZ650 my Dad had when I was a kid. Those things are a blast to ride, and I'd say you got a good deal on it. I have a basket case '75 Kawasaki Z1 (900cc) in the garage that I am in the process of chopping. In the mean time I've been riding my '01 Shadow 1100 and love it. Don't let anyone give you a hard time about your choice of bike, the important thing is to ride safe and have fun. Besides, the really fun part of riding a Jap bike, is passing all the broke down H-D's on the side of the road :aok
My HD has never been on the side of the road broke down....... :P
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My HD has never been on the side of the road broke down....... :P
Izzat because you just take it around on the back of a truck?
:P
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ya know.. I rode Harleys for 20 years easy... I never had a breakdown that I couldn't fix on the spot and.. I ran the thing till it was long past due for an overhaul.. most of the Harleys in my day were 30 year old bikes that were worn out long before they were "chopped".
That being said.. the older Harley was really a 20,000 mile upper end bike with a 30,000 mile lower end. The new ones.. while lacking any character.. are 100,000 mile bikes..
In the old days.. women didn't ride Harleys nor did old men and you weren't to drunk to ride home from the bar if you could start the thing... I am sure that I liked it better back then.
Helmets? no American would ever let a government tell em they had to wear a helmet.
lazs
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Izzat because you just take it around on the back of a truck?
:P
Yeah I sit on the bike and my wife drives the truck..... :rofl
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Picked it up tonight, got a pic I'll post tomorrow (on buddies camera)
OMFG I am in love!
I haven't ridden in 20 years, and almost dumped on my first take off from my buddies driveway :lol Last bike I rode was a 125cc early 70's Honda. this thing isn't much newer, but 650 has a lot more torque, and the centrifugal force with that much more weight is a big difference than I remember. I rode about 25 miles total circling the blocks in his area and by the end I was able to slowly creep up his driveway and tuck it between the car and a wall in about a 4 foot wide space (not walking it).
Man i gotta learn traffic laws :rofl All my previous riding experience was off road, no signals, ride wherever the blank you want on logging trails in Upper Michigan.
Maybe it is a bad sign, back then I had my temp drivers license, riding on the shoulder of a remote road that doesn't even have a real name:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=t+rd,+michigan&sll=45.833344,-86.977043&sspn=0.106448,0.21286&ie=UTF8&ll=45.785721,-86.976185&spn=0.013317,0.026608&z=15
You can drive it up and down for an hour an see maybe 1 car.
I got pulled over by a state trooper making his once a month patrol. :O He let me go and advised me the bike had no signals, plates that expired 3 years ago (uncle's bike I had no control over that), and I didn't have an "M" endorsment. he knew I was doing off road trails and stuff which was fine, but told me I had to get back on the trails and off the "road". :rofl :cry
I was practicing signals, proper mini-lane driving and some made up crash avoidance from parked cars. I had a hard time with the swerve, and keeping proper mini-lane in some turns. A few weeks practice I think I got it though. It's amazing how you remember things from so far back.
I don't know if this is me being no good, or a bike thing, but engine running and stopped I can't hit neutral. kill the engine and it is SUPER easy, every time, but with the engine running I can't get her into neutral :confused: :huh
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Some gearboxes are like that.
I had a right whinge at a salesman once cos the GSX-R600 I'd bought wouldn't click into neutral at a standstill either, in fact I thought the whole gearbox was clunky and industrial sounding. Salesman gave me a load of bollocks about Suzuki gearboxes being great and how "you can do clutchless gearchanges with them" and a long technical explanation of why motorcycles gearbox aren't designed to be used unless the bike is moving.
Horse****. I never want another Suzuki cos both the ones I've had have had **** gearboxes.
Um....mate, if you havn't ridden in 20 years I'd HIGHLY recommend finding yourself a bike school and doing a back to biking lesson. A lot has changed in 20 years. And besides, you're probably either completely unaware or out of practice at methods like "slow control". And by that I dont just mean riding slowly.
Slow control: Put your foot on the back brake, not too hard just enough to feel it. Set the throttle so the engine is revving, not being thrashed but not too low. Then find the biting point of the clutch and ride it. Dont move that damn throttle though, if you wanna go faster either less brake or more clutch. You'll find using that method you can do some very controlled manouvers at slow speed without getting a wobble on.
U-turns in the road, for example.
The biking world is full of little tit bits like that, do a back to biking course. You'll probably live longer.
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I don't know if this is me being no good, or a bike thing, but engine running and stopped I can't hit neutral. kill the engine and it is SUPER easy, every time, but with the engine running I can't get her into neutral
Classic symptom of too much engine oil, stand the bike upright on its wheels and check the oil level sight glass.
Other options are a badly worn clutch basket, basically the fingers on the clutch plates over time will wear grooves in the clutch basket. This stops the clutch plates separating correctly when the clutch is pulled while the engine is running. Symptom of this is when in 1st gear and stopped the bike tries to pull slightly all the time and this will make finding neutral difficult.
And Hi Swoop :)
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mmmm. tit bits.
:aok
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I had ridden for several years when the USAF required me take a MSF course to ride. I actually learned a couple of things from the course. You can initiate a turn much quicker by pushing on the handlebars. Push right, turn right. Also, counter balance in a slow tight turn. That is lean the bike one direction but shift your weight in the other. If you can take the course, it's worth the time and money imo.
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Like they said, practice till you don't have to consciously think your way through any maneuver.
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Go take an MSF course since you've been away from riding for so long. A refresher of the basics won't hurt you a bit. Besides it's a nice way to get a disount on your insurace.
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Man it all comes back quick :aok
I spent a good 2 hours today doing a lot of the basics. Starts, stops, slow turns with no lean, faster turns with leans, U turns at idle, and emergency stops.
Swoop, I was working on that, but the bike is a bit rough, the idle isn't set right or something. I am constantly moving the choke to keep from high RPM idle, to stall, fractions of a millimeter make a difference. What can I say a 30 year old bike has quirks. Anyway I can ride the slow maneuver clutch and do figure 8's all day on a small street, but I have to goose the throttle starting from a dead stop.
The only things I KNOW I have trouble with is turning off the blinker, starting from a stop turning right I get too close to the curb, and emergency swerves. Those I am not comfortable with at all. AKIron, the "push" thing confuses me a ton, it is mentioned in the book too I just don't get it. "Push right to turn right"? In my mind "pushing" my right hand moves the right handle bar forward resulting in a left turn.
I am looking into MSF courses here, according to the D.M.V. (I still don't ever trust them) some of the courses I can take award me the class "M" license upon completion, no D.M.V. road test. Money is tight, I have $250 that I can get a protective coat with, or take a course. Most of the courses are $350 :O (for beginner).
It was only $184 to insure the bike for a whole year, so that wasn't bad.
Oh yeah a pic, I don't normally put my pics online, but what the hell:
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/JB73Mustaine/work/IMG_1784_001.jpg)
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the "push" thing confuses me a ton, it is mentioned in the book too I just don't get it. "Push right to turn right"? In my mind "pushing" my right hand moves the right handle bar forward resulting in a left turn.
ok firstly, don't try this for a while, you gotta get the feel of the bike before you do. Secondly, it only works when you're going fairly quick, certainly not at slow speed.
What he means is if you push forward (gently!) with your right hand the bike will lean to the left naturally, and vice-versa. You dont KEEP pushing once the bike is leaning enough to make the turn. You'll find using this method the bike will get lean over quicker than the normal method of steering. Racers use the method to flip a bike from one side to the other very quickly. As I say, get the hang of normal riding before you start trying techniques like this.
P.S. Alright Cav! Long time no see.
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Do a Wheelie!!!
And post a pic.
:D
Here is a "sport-tourer" wheelie for you. Sorry the pic is small, I have it for an avatar.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g56/offenseman/fjrwheelie.jpg)
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ok firstly, don't try this for a while, you gotta get the feel of the bike before you do. Secondly, it only works when you're going fairly quick, certainly not at slow speed.
What he means is if you push forward (gently!) with your right hand the bike will lean to the left naturally, and vice-versa. You dont KEEP pushing once the bike is leaning enough to make the turn. You'll find using this method the bike will get lean over quicker than the normal method of steering. Racers use the method to flip a bike from one side to the other very quickly. As I say, get the hang of normal riding before you start trying techniques like this.
P.S. Alright Cav! Long time no see.
This is called countersteering and is necessary to turn. Remember when you learned to ride a bicycle? When it started to lean to the right you pushed the right handle bar and it would magically stand back upright. A motorcycle does the same thing and in order to turn you either conciously or unconciously do the same thing to get some initial lean just prior to the actual turn. Then many riders (too few as explained below) turn their wheel in the direction they are wanting to go and go through the turn. This is perfectly fine for in parking lots, making that normal left turn at an intersection of turning into your driveway. If however you are riding in places like this...
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g56/offenseman/hwy34570x760560x747.jpg)
You should learn to use countersteering because it is the safer way of negotiating a turn. It allows you to instantly apply more countersteering which quickens up the turn rate and radius that can allow you to react to unexpected conditions such as road debris, or a vehicle crossing the center line. In addition a tire that is turned to steer through the corner will "push" and lose grip sooner than during a proper countersteer. That can be real bad!
I just wanted to clear this up in case someone read the prior post and went canyon carving using that advice. And no, I am not talking about riding like a maniac. Repoman and his big ole hog would benefit from countersteering on that road just as well as a Gold Wing, one of my sport bikes, or Mustaine's old Kwak. Mustaine, I recommend a motorcycle safety foundation safety course. They are very good for relearning old stuff and making sure that skills stay where they should be. I know a professional motorcycle racer who makes a living teaching advanced courses in the off season on race tracks. He retakes the MSF basic course every few years to get reacquainted with it. if it is good enough for him, it is good enough for anyone. The ~175 bucks could save your life and likely will lower your insurance rates. And because my wife would hit me for not saying it, "Wear proper gear". She is a big advocate of proper riding gear. Personally, I lean toward the, "You are an adult, wear what you want, but when you fall down and half of you looks like raw hamburger, don't whine to me."
Be safe :salute
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Sounds like you have an air leak in the manifold or a carburator. Chances are the carbs need to be cleaned and rebuilt. Make sure you don't have a fuel leak as having a fire between your legs might be uncomfortable.
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AKIron, the "push" thing confuses me a ton, it is mentioned in the book too I just don't get it. "Push right to turn right"? In my mind "pushing" my right hand moves the right handle bar forward resulting in a left turn.
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/JB73Mustaine/work/IMG_1784_001.jpg)
If you're moving more than 20 mph or so pushing forward with your right hand causes the wheel to turn to the left but the bike will lean to the right. Try it and you'll see what I mean.
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Sounds like you have an air leak in the manifold or a carburator. Chances are the carbs need to be cleaned and rebuilt. Make sure you don't have a fuel leak as having a fire between your legs might be uncomfortable.
Carbs were rebuilt June last year, hasn't been ridden even 50 miles since. guy had the receipts to show, he spent $1298 last June on it, I got lucky.
I kind of get it Iron, will try once I go faster than 20, maybe next week.
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psssst...
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(http://www.augustbach.com/davecycle.png)
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THATS why I don't do pics of me :rofl :furious :furious :noid
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,238544.0.html
Oooops...
:noid
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Hope it's a source of many good rides for you! :)
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Well diddly
something that wasn't caught by us, turns out the 1 & 2 valves have a bunch of corrosion on them and aren't firing. After running a while they get gas all over them and start firing...
Guy says we can try filing the cylinder with diesel, letting it sit for a few days, then drain the cylinder and all the oil and see if it clears off the corrosion.
Otherwise I need to have the valves done.
No bike for the summer for me, I don't have a dime to spare, this was supposed to give me money to spare saving gas. as it is I am spending over $250 a month in gas. 75% of my income pays rent, gas, and utilities as it is :(
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Dave welcome to my world!
Why is it a good ideas end up being the worst choices we've ever made?
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Valves are not hard to do on your own...
All you need is a head gasket, a chain breaker, some valve grinding paste and a good pair of hands :aok
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Well boink
something that wasn't caught by us, turns out the 1 & 2 valves have a bunch of corrosion on them and aren't firing. After running a while they get gas all over them and start firing...
Guy says we can try filing the cylinder with diesel, letting it sit for a few days, then drain the cylinder and all the oil and see if it clears off the corrosion.
Otherwise I need to have the valves done.
Forget the diesel. Find some Marvel Mystery Oil and let set in the cylinder for a while.
If that won`t do it nothing will.
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Try the MMO or Seafoam. Hell, for $15 bucks, try both. If that doesn't work, tear it apart.
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Dave welcome to my world!
Why is it a good ideas end up being the worst choices we've ever made?
LOL yup
OK Update time:
Diesel for 2 days, then brake fluid 1 day, then "PB Blaster" for 1 day, then it started right up, running on 3 cylinders (now #4 wouldn't fire).
Next day no start. :furious
We check everything out, Pulling the plugs they were BLACK, but The guy I was having do the work said they were fine. We arced the plug cap to the plug to show spark while trying to start, and it was weak / non existent. My best friend's dad was up from FL and said it was the condensers. My bike guy works on new bikes, didn't know about these older models. We took of the side cap, sure enough the condenser points were pitted and corroded bad. I bought an ignition point repair kit, a complete repair guide, and waited for the guide to find the gap settings for the points.
My repair guy coaches kids track and had a meet tonight, unable to work on the bike. I received the manual today, had the parts ready. A new co-worker who is in the process of transferring from MI was in town today, and he and I had to do a day trip to Chicago to work on the network at our facility. On the drive I explained all we have done. He is a solid mechanic, has done valve jobs, and stuff on his own cars. I asked if he'd take a shot at helping me out.
We set the condenser points and gave her a shot at starting... :furious
He took a plug out and had me turn it over. Solid spark while just in the air, but once touching the block no spark. Bad plugs (didn't I ask the other guy that those look like poop??). We ran to autozone, got some plugs and within 30 seconds of putting them in I was running on all 4 cylinders.
All in all:
:rock
Bike: $950 (got taken a bit compared to blue book, but with the bike market here in WI it was not bad because it ran and we drove it home no problems)
Parts..
Tank of fresh gas: $14
PB: $4.99
Oil for change after all that junk: $18
Oil Filter: $7.99
Ignition kit: $34.99
Spark plugs: $8.28
I don't think that was that bad, and I rode it for 45 miles tonight smooth as silk!
MAN I wasn't prepared for something no one mentions... At highway speeds (65 MPH) when you check your blind spot the wind resistance on a helmet JERKS your head :O That is going to take some getting used to. It didn't make me swerve or move the controls, but it was still a bit weird feeling. I did a lot of practice tonight around 40-50, and am going to avoid the highways for a few days until I am more used to that. Oh and birds flying in front of you are a bit odd. they seem a lot closer. I also got my first junebug in the chest, and another in the facemask :rock :lol Heck I stopped at an intersection and a mosquito landed on my hand, bit me and held on for dear life until the next stop when I squashed him.
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Congrats. Next step: getting your knee down!
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(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/Drs109/Shadow.jpg)
1999.Ive changed the oil.Replaced the fuel filter,and rode the piss out of it.Kaws... :rofl
btw.Shadow ace tourer ;)
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Congrats. Next step: getting your knee down!
But we'll know he's REALLY arrived when he can smoke while driving, and wear a baseball cap bill forward while driving 85MPH+ :)