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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yknurd on June 09, 2008, 07:59:01 AM
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Did the Democratic nomination race hurt or help Hillary for another Presidential bid?
I think it helped her.
I'll post more thoughts later today.
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Please do!
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If McCain wins then Hillary may have a shot in 2012. If Obama wins and is voted out in 2012 not likely a democrat will replace him. No way Hillary will have a shot in 2016. I don't think the Country will elect a 68 year old woman, but I could be wrong.
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don't know.. I don't think 4 years of working at looking like she is human is enough time to convince people.. Maybe 8 years if she can learn to smile like she isn't going to eat your child.... maybe if she hasn't killed anyone in those 8 years or been too shrill...
lazs
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Hillary will make a great president in 2016. After the last 7 years of Republican rule, I don't think anyone with common sense will ever vote for them again. Boy they sure screwed things up. Here's to big government, big spending Republicans, funny that the Democrats are more conservative than the Republicans. Liberal conservative, I like that. Focus on changing our social system in a positive way, while conserving our environment for future generations. Makes you feel all funny inside...
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All of this talk about Hillbillary being VP, is just that. She has played this lose well, if she offers to serve as VP and is turned down, then when Hussein Obama loses to McCain, she can claim it was because she wasn’t on the ticket. If Hussein Obama wins, then she can run in 012 as the candidate for “change”.
After the last 7 years of Republican rule, I don't think anyone with common sense will ever vote for them again.
There have only been two Dems elected in the last 40 years, gee, I guess this country has reallty sucked in all that time? :huh
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mojava.. unless you count taxes..
the democrats are the hidebound conservatives.. if by conservative you mean hidebound and afraid of change.
It is they who stop all nuke power when the world is progressing to it.. It is they that stop exploration for new oil and stop new coal tech. It is they who take money from road taxes and spend it on failed social programs... It is they who are stuck in the union/public school rut and can't even progress to voucher system of good education. While the country embraces right to carry laws.. they stick with their same old thousands year old gun control schemes.
So yes.. you are right.. they are "conservative" in that manner.. still going strong on the failed socialist ideas of their party that are over 50 years old.... old hidebound liberal ideas put forth by dinosours like kennedy are being championed by the half white guy they are running today.
lazs
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*Awaits the inevitable references to the "2012 Apocalypse" *
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Yep, higher taxes , big government, big spending, failed foreign and domestic policies, failed economic policies. No child left behind? I'm pretty sure that if your high and mighty Republican elected officials weren't making a substantial amount of profit, we would have drilled for more oil, or changed any of the other things you pointed out. I mean hey, you guys held the office of President, the House and Senate, but it's the Democrats fault?
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She'll be back for sure. How she does will be determined by what kind of smoke-screen she can lay out over the next few years, as lazs stated.
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Her attempt to gain the ultimate office and thereby more power will never go away unless she is so soundly defeated she will sink further into mediocrity like her fellow scumbag teddy. Oh and MT it has absolutely nothing to do with which restroom she uses.
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mojava.. do you ever think before you drink the koolaid? do you realize that the average tax burden for most of us of medium income is a couple grand lower than when klinton was in power?
Do you really think it is republicans who introduce bills that restrict drilling and nuke power and vouchers? Most of this stuff happened in klintons day.. the republicans have tried for a long time now to get more areas opened up for exploration of resources.
lazs
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Laz.. the koolaid rocks, come on in.
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I don't think the Country will elect a 68 year old woman, but I could be wrong.
A 'nosey' old woman may do wonders for the NSA and CIA.
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Hillary isn't going anywhere. She had already secured over 2 billion in earmarks for her district to make sure all the hand-outs were in order if she lost.
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She will keep returning until we see her legs sticking out from under the house.
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mojava.. do you ever think before you drink the koolaid? do you realize that the average tax burden for most of us of medium income is a couple grand lower than when klinton was in power?
Do you really think it is republicans who introduce bills that restrict drilling and nuke power and vouchers? Most of this stuff happened in klintons day.. the republicans have tried for a long time now to get more areas opened up for exploration of resources.
lazs
you know... can't look far enuff right to see left..
i have to side with mojava on this one..
considering that..........
gas is 4 buck a gallon.
no end in site for iraq.
real reason for iraq a lie to begin with.
bin laden still on the loose.
so call tax rebate is a joke considering how much cost of living has gone up.
ultra weak dollar ... candian currency was .69 in 2000 now 1.00.
I have to consider the alternative this time... since the last administration was a little more fiscal responsible then this group.
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navahoe
how in the hell do you think any of this is gonna get fixed with democrats? Tax rebate a joke? well... for some, they got in the thousands of bucks... contrast this with the extra $2000 a year in taxes that klinton put on people of middle income over what Bush did. thousand here... thousand there... pretty soon it is real money to the middle class...
gas? hell. the democrats want to tax their way out of the problem.. just tax big oil and spend the money on cell phones for underprivilidged negros in harlem.. so what if the oil companies pass the cost on to us... it is worth it to see those happy little faces with their new cell phones!
stop exploration... yeah.. that helps... they stopped it 10 years ago.. if they had not.. we would have at least a buck a gallon less at the pumps today. Stop the nukes.. that makes about as much sense as everyone heating their homes with campfires..
name one solution that the democrats have that does not involve taxing us into prosperity. Name one place that has worked.
lazs
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navahoe
how in the hell do you think any of this is gonna get fixed with democrats? Tax rebate a joke? well... for some, they got in the thousands of bucks... contrast this with the extra $2000 a year in taxes that klinton put on people of middle income over what Bush did. thousand here... thousand there... pretty soon it is real money to the middle class...
gas? hell. the democrats want to tax their way out of the problem.. just tax big oil and spend the money on cell phones for underprivilidged negros in harlem.. so what if the oil companies pass the cost on to us... it is worth it to see those happy little faces with their new cell phones!
stop exploration... yeah.. that helps... they stopped it 10 years ago.. if they had not.. we would have at least a buck a gallon less at the pumps today. Stop the nukes.. that makes about as much sense as everyone heating their homes with campfires..
name one solution that the democrats have that does not involve taxing us into prosperity. Name one place that has worked.
lazs
liz...
im not saying they are the greatest solution to the problem...
obvious we are in a s**thole as it is... and i think it is time to give the other guys back the stick to rule with.
I dont believe in social programs. I grew up in the social limelight.. Social programs make a group of people dependent on the minimal amount. I see it everyday on the Navajo Rez.
At this point I would rather pay 2000 dollars in taxes then 4 bucks a gallon in gas, 5 bucks for a gallon milk and the nearly doubling in the cost of living. I think that is more the 2 grand to me.
If you can tell me right now that this is a conservatives dream or better yet IS this your dream to live in a time when our economy is failing. Then by all means tell me.
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Paying that extra $2,000 in taxes won't make the milk or gas cheaper. Taxes don't work that way at all. It will just means you'll have two grand less to buy fuel or milk with.
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Yup, Republicans spent a lot of money and increased government. They created an entire new department - Office of Homeland Security.
What would Democrats do in response to Islamic fascists blowing up 3 New York buildings? Petition the UN?
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dont know why your even thinking about 2012
myan calander ends 2012 so why bother worrying about trivial things like hillery
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dont know why your even thinking about 2012
myan calander ends 2012 so why bother worrying about trivial things like hillery
I'm not Mayan so I'm not exactly worried about their calender.
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4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated
PM it bro..
get if off your chest..
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Snide comment aside...
McCain will probably win and it will be a difficult first term as President.
In 2012 Hillary will be able to point at McCain (and Republicans) and tell everyone how bad he (they) have been and how our country has suffered for it. She will equally be able to point at Obama and declare him unelectable.
Hillary has been a good democrat. She bowed out and gracefully asked her supporters to vote for Obama.
Beware the tides of 2012.
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you know... can't look far enuff right to see left..
i have to side with mojava on this one..
considering that..........
gas is 4 buck a gallon.
no end in site for iraq.
real reason for iraq a lie to begin with.
bin laden still on the loose.
so call tax rebate is a joke considering how much cost of living has gone up.
ultra weak dollar ... candian currency was .69 in 2000 now 1.00.
I have to consider the alternative this time... since the last administration was a little more fiscal responsible then this group.
"Real reason for Iraq, a lie to begin with?"
So tired of THIS lie.
Everyone, including all Dems believed there were WMD. Even Scott Mclellen admits Bush truly believed there were WMD.
Bill Clinton in a 1998 speech said Iraq was producing WMD. Was he lying?
Bush may have been mistaken, too eager to go to war, but the belief in WMD was universal and genuine.
I realize that doesn't work for the "Bush lied, people died" crowd, but it is the truth.
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navahoe... it really wasn't much but I will rephrase.. I quoted maverick..
"Paying that extra $2,000 in taxes won't make the milk or gas cheaper. Taxes don't work that way at all. It will just means you'll have two grand less to buy fuel or milk with."
I also said that I gave up on you never getting it. I felt/feel that debate with you is a waste of my time.
lazs
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navahoe... it really wasn't much but I will rephrase.. I quoted maverick..
"Paying that extra $2,000 in taxes won't make the milk or gas cheaper. Taxes don't work that way at all. It will just means you'll have two grand less to buy fuel or milk with."
I also said that I gave up on you never getting it. I felt/feel that debate with you is a waste of my time.
lazs
lol i agree. cuz like i said. i stand in the middle of the road and see traffic going both ways..
please come stand with me.. see it that both parties are at fault. There is no real solution until both parties are dealt with.
I only agree with the other dude cuz in a way his statement was correct. Just a little more when you face the current state of the nation.
If i were to choose a prez i would have gone with Ron Paul.
but anyways.. im wasting my time on you also ...
we just grew up in different worlds and im sure if you come over and look.. you might see a different view like i do.
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Im going to sum it up how i see it.. Republican, or Democrat, it really doesnt matter. Both use time honored failed ways of handling things. The Only People you will ever see in office are the rich and priveledged few, with the backing of powerful families, and lobbyists keeping their "interests" above that of the people.
The presidential candidates for the last 50 years, with rare exception, have never had to worry about putting food on the table for their families, or being able to afford the gas to get to work.. They have never had to deal with the day to day realities of the lower and lower middle class. How can you elect someone who never had to personally deal with strife and hardship?
Just a few words.. I think todays politicians are so out of touch with the reality of the average american citizen, that they have no idea whats really important to us.. Their main concern is pleasing the various lobbyists, and buisnesses to keep themselves in office..
Republican or Democrat, there has not been a truly great leader in the white house for 50 years...
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dont know why your even thinking about 2012
myan calander ends 2012 so why bother worrying about trivial things like hillery
Well, even the Mayan's weren't close....their time ended in the 9th century. Only missed it by 12 centuries!
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navahoe.. I am not married to the republican party.. at it's best.. and it is not at it's best now.. at it's best it is individualist light.
I am an individualist. I see the republican party as the only viable way to slow down the liberal socialist democrat party.
the republicans are walking toward socialism but the democrats are running toward it. My plan is simply to slow the run long enough for the pendulum to swing back the other way.
lazs
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navahoe.. I am not married to the republican party.. at it's best.. and it is not at it's best now.. at it's best it is individualist light.
I am an individualist. I see the republican party as the only viable way to slow down the liberal socialist democrat party.
the republicans are walking toward socialism but the democrats are running toward it. My plan is simply to slow the run long enough for the pendulum to swing back the other way.
lazs
The so called "socialist" ideals of the democrats are in response to the failed republican policies.
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Hillary will make a great president in 2016. After the last 7 years of Republican rule, I don't think anyone with common sense will ever vote for them again. Boy they sure screwed things up. Here's to big government, big spending Republicans, funny that the Democrats are more conservative than the Republicans. Liberal conservative, I like that. Focus on changing our social system in a positive way, while conserving our environment for future generations. Makes you feel all funny inside...
Democrats sucks just as equally as Republicans. I'm laughing like a hyena while Politicians skirt free of buying into SSI. But that's ok, they are "special". They sure are, I'd piss on all of them.
Democrats spend almost as much as Republicans. Well, I recant, they enjoy taxing my paycheck, it's "their money" anyways right? Confiscatory taxes can go blow.
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From what I've seen, we have a Republican president as a result of previously having a Democratic president. If we end up with a Democrat next, it'll probably be because we have a Republican now. Funny how that works. They both make the other look more appealing. What's wrong here?
Can either one look ok standing by himself?
MtnMan
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From what I've seen, we have a Republican president as a result of previously having a Democratic president. If we end up with a Democrat next, it'll probably be because we have a Republican now. Funny how that works. They both make the other look more appealing. What's wrong here?
Can either one look ok standing by himself?
MtnMan
The problem here is the media is looking for an American Idol and not a president. Obama shouldn't even be considered a candidate . I mean why? What credentials does he have other than charisma? He pretty much a local politician who manages to step in every pile of dog mess in Disney World's parking lot. That's not bad luck. That's extremely poor pathing. After his latest campaign bo quit because of his sweetheart deals with a mortgage company, he's starting to seem like Britney Spears and the song "oops I did it again."
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twenty foe.. excuse me? You made no sense at all with the "socialists" are only socialists because the republicans aren't socialist enough remark...
Or maybe you did at that... yeah.. bring us together.. so long as we all toe the socialist line.. individualists will be crushed!
lazs