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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nilsen on June 10, 2008, 02:20:30 PM
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The IDAS missile is fired from a torpedo tube to hit helos, ships or targets on the coast.
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What? We let the Germans have subs after what they did in WW2? :mad:
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And again they have some of the best. The u212 class is really awesome!.
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Probably a promising system. The problem is its a hail Mary defense and against certain navies I just dont see it as being all that effective. First off there is no defense like "not being detected" so this weapon would probably only be used if the boat was detected. Against a 1st world western Navy there would probably be more assets that could be vectored in to finish the boat off, assuming the helicopter didn't get a shot off in the first place. The USN has systems like ASROC so any surface ship could fire rocket launched torpedoes onto the position the chopper found the submarine in. We have any number of ways to launch antisubmarine weapons including from our own submarines, from surface ships either ship launched or ASROC fired from VLS systems, and from both fixed wing and helicopter airframes.
So the jig is up if the sub is found in the first place. Unless it has deep water to run under, and if it has that in the first place then its probably under the layers and the German 212 is so quiet it would be almost impossible to detect when its deep and running silent.
They mention this missile would have land attack uses as well but the warhead is so small how much damage could it possibly cause? Even against a surface ship? If the warhead is the size of a sidewinder then thats awfully small.
The Russians have had SAM systems for some of their submarines but offhand I cant remember their capabilities.
So this missile might be useful in some scenarios. But even in those there is no Navy in the world that wouldnt gladly sacrifice a Helo or two to kill a submarine like a 212.
Where the Germans are really leading the world is in the area of super high speed torpedoes. I think its called the "Barracuda".
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What? We let the Germans have subs after what they did in WW2? :mad:
sorry, we are not a 3rd world country to easy overrun :rofl
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sorry, we are not a 3rd world country to easy overrun :rofl
You've already been beat down twice....don't even think it :aok
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sorry, we are not a 3rd world country to easy overrun :rofl
I'm glad someone understood my humor ;)
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You've already been beat down twice....don't even think it :aok
And yet they're still kicking, and seem to have better PR than we do...
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Probably a promising system. The problem is its a hail Mary defense and against certain navies I just dont see it as being all that effective. First off there is no defense like "not being detected" so this weapon would probably only be used if the boat was detected. Against a 1st world western Navy there would probably be more assets that could be vectored in to finish the boat off, assuming the helicopter didn't get a shot off in the first place. The USN has systems like ASROC so any surface ship could fire rocket launched torpedoes onto the position the chopper found the submarine in. We have any number of ways to launch antisubmarine weapons including from our own submarines, from surface ships either ship launched or ASROC fired from VLS systems, and from both fixed wing and helicopter airframes.
So the jig is up if the sub is found in the first place. Unless it has deep water to run under, and if it has that in the first place then its probably under the layers and the German 212 is so quiet it would be almost impossible to detect when its deep and running silent.
They mention this missile would have land attack uses as well but the warhead is so small how much damage could it possibly cause? Even against a surface ship? If the warhead is the size of a sidewinder then thats awfully small.
The Russians have had SAM systems for some of their submarines but offhand I cant remember their capabilities.
So this missile might be useful in some scenarios. But even in those there is no Navy in the world that wouldnt gladly sacrifice a Helo or two to kill a submarine like a 212.
Where the Germans are really leading the world is in the area of super high speed torpedoes. I think its called the "Barracuda".
The russian system can not be fired when the sub is submerged. The launcher needs to be elevated above the water. Yes this is a last ditch system and I think it would be very effective in sertain areas, but as you pointed out the best thing is not to be found in the first place. I can see several scenarios were it would be very useful tho. Many subs operate in the shallows to gather intel, release and retrive special forces or just wait for passing targets. If they are found in the shallows like this were subs like ours often operate and a dipping helo comes too close this missile could infact save the day.
As the site reported the missile could be used against sertain points on a ship like the bridge, helo deck or other vital and exposed areas. Sinking a ship with it was not the idea. Land targets could include missile batteries on the shoreline, radars and obeservation points that needs to get taken out if the sub thinks its periscope or spec ops folks may have been compromised.
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Probably a promising system. The problem is its a hail Mary defense and against certain navies I just dont see it as being all that effective. First off there is no defense like "not being detected" so this weapon would probably only be used if the boat was detected. Against a 1st world western Navy there would probably be more assets that could be vectored in to finish the boat off, assuming the helicopter didn't get a shot off in the first place. The USN has systems like ASROC so any surface ship could fire rocket launched torpedoes onto the position the chopper found the submarine in. We have any number of ways to launch antisubmarine weapons including from our own submarines, from surface ships either ship launched or ASROC fired from VLS systems, and from both fixed wing and helicopter airframes.
So the jig is up if the sub is found in the first place. Unless it has deep water to run under, and if it has that in the first place then its probably under the layers and the German 212 is so quiet it would be almost impossible to detect when its deep and running silent.
They mention this missile would have land attack uses as well but the warhead is so small how much damage could it possibly cause? Even against a surface ship? If the warhead is the size of a sidewinder then thats awfully small.
The Russians have had SAM systems for some of their submarines but offhand I cant remember their capabilities.
So this missile might be useful in some scenarios. But even in those there is no Navy in the world that wouldnt gladly sacrifice a Helo or two to kill a submarine like a 212.
Where the Germans are really leading the world is in the area of super high speed torpedoes. I think its called the "Barracuda".
It can also be used for SAM ambush to shoot down a recon plane and run. Once you pull it off once or twice, the caution applied by the following recon flights will reduce the effectiveness significantly. Its not the actual damage, its the threat it opposes. Searching for something hidden under rocks will be much slower if you suspect that you may find a snake under one.
A warhead is too small only if it is not accurate enough. 1 gram of explosive is enough if applied directly to the head of the target ship captain. A few kilos go a long way if you want to surgically destroy a specific system on the target.
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And again they have some of the best. The u212 class is really awesome!.
...........or so the Germans would have us believe.....
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I'm glad someone understood my humor ;)
And like always there still scared of America. Amazing, they got a great navy but they're scared of Americans. Thats good humor for that German dude. :lol