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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JG51_GIJeff_<<+ on February 29, 2000, 08:35:00 PM
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Salute Gents!
This game has stunning graphics and pretty good flight models, but there could be a few features added that would make it really good. Two things are severly lacking in this sim, but I hope they can be added soon. One is the lack of mouse look. This is really immersive when you can pan around the cockpit ala EAW. Also there needs to be the same capability outside the plane for looking around.
The other item is a padlock, while some might say it is a crutch, in reality you would automatically swivel your head with an enemy plane so it is realistic. I would also like to see better flight models, most of the planes seem to only take off if you run them off the cliff.
MORE PLANES PLEASE, namely the 190 A4 which is a much better dogfighter than the A8 and gives German pilots another choice than the 109's but I am sure you guys are working on that already. The ones you already have are SPIFFY. Awesome skins, terrain and sky/clouds, breathtaking really. Good Work!
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JG51_GIJeff_<<+
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Heh, all those features should be provided to you in the Training Arena.
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Um....no they're not.
You get external views that's all. No padlock, no 190A4.
besides, we want them in the Arena, not in the training room.
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padlock?
we dinane need no STINKIN PADLOCK!
manually move ya head around your cockpit while ya turn, just like they did. Shouldna take too long for your fingers to learn to dance on the keypad (for when ya need oblique views ya haven't put on your stick =)
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I think the Problem with Take off's is the need for longer runways(for the B17) ALL fighters take off fine on the current runways, providing you know what you are doing... heh
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External views???? hello! this is not an arcade game...
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Mouse pan??? your not gona be mouse paning in a fight. keyboard pan works fine for finding targets if you cant handle the fixed vies.
Padlock??? why would you want to limit your attention to one plane when his 3 buddies are aslo trying to trim your tail feathers? I gues it might help guys who only fly with a $20 joystick, but you would die fast from using it...
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif) Coyote (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
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Heh Coyote, they just don't get it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Here! Here! Isn't this why there is a Fighter Ace and AW (RR) ???
I'm very confident there will be no dumbing down of AH with this padlock, external or "no dashboard/cockpit in the view" crap!
-Westy
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Not sure Westy, That was my opinon too until I started to see "Auto Takeoff features".
Whats the world coming too, why they take it off for you.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
Not sure Westy, That was my opinon too until I started to see "Auto Takeoff features".
Whats the world coming too, why they take it off for you.
Yep, that is really an interesting question. can anyone explain to me the reasons behind that useless (in my opinion) feature.
mx22
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Oh man. I just got slapped down.
Your right Vermillion. I forgot about auto take-off. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Whelp. Let me restate my position. <ahem>
"I'm still confident, not as much as before however, that there won't be any further dumbing down of AH!!"
-Westy
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The auto takeoff function allows new target drones to get into the air that much faster.
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Salute Gents,
Actually I think you guys are the ones that don't get it, if I were flying a plane I would swivel my head around smoothly to keep track of an enemy plane. Snap views are a POOR substitute, and mouselook is a much better one. I can move my head about the cockpit easily to ANY angle to keep track of enemy planes using mouselook.
As to the external views that wasn't a gameplay issue but would be nifty for taking those cool screenshots. Padlock is what you would do if you WERE concentrating on an enemy plane to destroy it. I surely didn't intimate that one would do this to the exclusion of looking over one's shoulder to make sure someone else doesn't have the same thing in mind for you. Situational awareness is a must in any combat flight sim.
Another issue, I didn't post here to be flamed by immature people that disagree with me. I may disagree with your opinions but don't deride or degrade you for it. I may disagree with you for what you are saying but you certainly have the right to be heard, please afford me the same courtesy.
Lastly I flew online the last couple of nights learning the controls and behavior of the planes, multiple times I was attacked while minding my own business in the TRAINING server. I thought people were supposed to be learning something there. How to get shot down while you are reading your map ala "MSN Zone" is not the lesson I was trying for.
If your method of teaching is vulching people while doing touch and go's it isn't going to endear them to the service. In addition if you need to attack people without inviting them into a duel, then I may suspect that this is the only way you can get kills. Racking up a huge score against unsuspecting opponents is no way to behave, and certainly not a tribute to any piloting skills.
From now on I will be doing my flight tests offline until some maturity is manifest on the training server. Multiple times I was flying straight and level, having declined to duel with someone since I was on autopilot and setting up my joystick in flight, and was shot down anyway.
A couple of times they didn't even bother to wait for an answer, "Ready, GIJeff?" BOOM! Don't even bother trying to tell me that THIS is the way you learn to fly. It isn't. It is the way you learn to behave dishonorably, and I have no use for it. If you can't respect the people you are flying against or with, you may soon find yourself without anyone to fly against or with.
JG51_GIJeff_<<+
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"From now on I will be doing my flight tests offline until some maturity is manifest on the training server."
The Training Arena is pretty new, and there isn't a protocol for it yet, so people are just doing whatever seems "appropriate" at the moment. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
We do have some trainers now, who will be glad to set up whatever situation you want to work on. Check the roster when you join the Training Arena, and if there is someone from the "Aces High Instructor Corps" online. Give him a shout, and he will work with you.
If you want to set something up in advance, post your prefered times in the Help and Training Forum.
popeye
[This message has been edited by popeye (edited 03-02-2000).]
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JG51_GIJeff_<<+;
My apologies if your start in AH has been less than optimum. Padlock is a very hot topic on this UBB. You had no way of knowing this.
You can't believe what I have been called in the past for being a proponent of "Padlock". The fear factor is so high over the possible implementation that even some fairly nice people instantly become real jerks.
For the rest of your ideas, some of them kind of go against the contemporary grain for most of the current players in the game. Often players will immediatly transmit an attitude towards you, because you have stated your opinion that is contrary.
This attitude has amazed me from day one. The attitude being, "I can't really fault your opinion, so I will just insult you". It seems to be worse for new players. In reality it is more like playful teasing, please consider it to be so.
If you do decide to re-enter the Training Arena look for a person who is a member of "The Trainer Corps" squadron. The AcesHigh trainers are members of this squadron.
To find a trainer follow this formula:
- Press the Esc key - This brings up the "Knee Board" with the map as the default screen.
- Select the Roster button on the bottom of the screen - The screen changes to the roster screen
- Select the Squad button on the top of the screen - This organizes the roster by squadron, the default list order is by player names
- Use the scroll slider to find a person who is a member of "The Trainer Corps" squad
Or, just ask on the global chat channel if any trainers are on-line. Like Popeye said, "Give us a shout!"
These people are players like myself have agreed to help new players along. We will usually be more than willing to answer your questions, practice ACM with you or help you out anyway we can. Our desire is your smooth transistion into AcesHigh and the maximizing of your enjoyment.
Good Luck! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
Trainer
[This message has been edited by Minotaur (edited 03-02-2000).]
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the problem with it is automation.
wb sucks for intercepting and fighting bombers because their defense is automated.
AH rocks because you know your fighting a human
padlock automates the pilots ability to keep track of a target. snap views are much closer to how a pilot swivels his head in a fight,
your head snaps around and your eyes track, same as real life.
I just hate it when stuff is unrealistic (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Padlock has been argued ad nausem in about 5 other threads. Do a Search on "Padlock" and you will get to read the indepth responses from all sides in about 200 posts. Including the "a real pilot would" issues.
Sorry if you feel you got "flamed" by a bunch of "immature people", but thats about the nicest flaming I have ever seen, especially with this crew of people (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Best solution in the Training arena is to change airfields. Most of the people looking for a quick fight hang around F1, so just move elsewhere if you wish to be alone.
Lots of Trainers around (or others willing to help) so Just yell if you want a few words of advice.
Welcome to Aces High (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 03-02-2000).]
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Mouse look is a great idea.
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I agree with Funked, mouse look sounds very interesting...
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leonid, Komandir
5 GIAP VVS RKKA (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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Mouse look or a 2nd joystick are what I have thought about, but to track a moving A/C the response would need to be very fast.
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Citabr;
I am not a pilot so I don't know for sure. I did read an article once that said as the G's go up the head movement gets more and more restricted. Head movement becomes increasingly difficult, because the pilot fatiques quickly from neck strain.
As I recall the only head position over about 2.5G's is basically straight forward, with your head planted firmly back against the headrest. MigEater, care to comment?
I might say that IMO no view method is really realistic. It is what you prefer, what you are used to and what works in the sim.
BTW, if you feel like giving me some P-38 lessons I'm up for! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<S>
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
Trainer
[This message has been edited by Minotaur (edited 03-03-2000).]
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As I recall the only head position over about 2.5G's is basically straight forward, with your head planted firmly back against the headrest. MigEater, care to comment?
Well, I am not MigEater but I can definitely comment on this.
I flew in a AT-6 Texan down in Kissimmee FL, at a place called Warbird Adventures ( http://www.warbirdadventures.com (http://www.warbirdadventures.com) ). In fact if you look real close, I am one of the customers in one of the pics's (will leave it up to you to figure out which).
But I intentionally tested to see what effect pulling G's had on my ability to look around, and check direct "6".
I took the fully aerobatic flight, pulling just about every manuever in the book, and we pulled up too 4.5 to 5 G's. But admittedly the instructor pilot said I had excellent G tolerance.
But to get to the point, Yes I could look around and move my head sufficently in all manuevers with only a slight tunneling effect.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
(http://web.mountain.net/~arringto/pics/yak3.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 03-03-2000).]
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Padlock: Totally agree with that. The real
KEY is how to aproach it, how to select the
tracked target, how to determine when to
break the "lock", when to readquire, etc.
NOTE: With pan and fixed views you can't
look directly to the target unless it is
directly centered in your selected view. So,
in fact, you are looking your targets
"indirectly" (adding an unnatural angle to
their aspects) and this is a serious problem.
Of course, padlock should be overriden at
any moment with a single view key press.
Mouse pad: Totally agree again. This solved
the "indirect" view problem and it is still
a manual viewing method.
Anyway, with so detailed cockpits I think
that auto padlocking or using mouse to
manually track a target will reduce seriously
the fps. In RL you can turn your head from
looking right to left in one sec, you need
a real fast and smooth movement to emulate
this in AH. So, for me, the only feasible
way is to use snap (except P38) or fixed
views. Of course, if you are padlocking a
target you are not viewing (in detail) you
control panel, so, reducing automatically
the cockpit detail level should help a lot
to be able to using fast and smooth padlock
and mouse track.