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Title: instant blackouts..
Post by: Wingnutt on June 12, 2008, 02:01:31 PM
had a wierd situation today.

I was mixing it up with a KI84 in a spit 9 at about 10K..

I was in a hard turn trying to get behind him.. on the edge of blackout of course...

then I blacked out.. relaxed the stick..  and it stayed black for about 5 seconds.. and it came back..  I decided to level out, I started a gentle roll right.. BOOM total blackout again...  this time for about 6 or 7 solid seconds..

then I came too...   still flying more or less straight at about 320..  I hit autopilot  BOOM blackout again, again for several seconds.. i came to and was straight and level (autopilot).. i just sat there for.. perhaps 5 or 6 more seconds.....   pulled the stick to disengauge autopilot and begin to turn.. BOOM.. total blackout..



long story short, I eventually augered, every time I gave even the slightest input i would immediately totally blackout..  this went on for a good while.. I would engage the autopilot, blackout from doing so... then wait several seconds after I "came to" turn off the AP..  try and roll a little.... go to total blackout.. come back..  hit Autopilot.... total blackout...


I dont know what became of the KI84 :rolleyes:


I have never had that happen like that before...  I know if you fully blackout and then try rapid stick movements as soon as you regain concensious, you will black out again, im familiar with that..  but this was different.. even after several seconds of just sitting there after the blackout was over..  any movement still brought instant blackout..
I cant reproduce it either :mad:

was really odd stuff.
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: Captfish on June 12, 2008, 02:15:25 PM
 :rolleyes: Tell your gunner to stop hitting you in the head :lol
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: straffo on June 12, 2008, 02:19:02 PM
did you change any video setting while in game ?
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: Wingnutt on June 12, 2008, 02:19:13 PM
:rolleyes:Tell your gunner to stop hitting you in the head :lol

 :rofl

it was frustrating to say the least, I cant get it to do it again, musta been a flook.
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: Bronk on June 12, 2008, 03:07:00 PM
Blackouts are cumulative. Ride the edge to long you black out easier and longer.
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: Bucky73 on June 12, 2008, 03:30:07 PM
You need to see the flight surgeon :O
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: Cthulhu on June 12, 2008, 03:39:35 PM
Wingnutt, I get this all the time in the Dora. Once I recover from the initial blackout, if I make an input too soon after recovery, I get a second blackout. Everytime.
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: CAP1 on June 12, 2008, 04:36:45 PM
gremlins? :noid
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: NoBaddy on June 12, 2008, 05:01:54 PM
You experienced a blackout. Yah, when you wake up..you go back down for about 2 seconds......just long enough to be massively annoying. :)

Solution: Don't pull high G's at high speed. :)
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: redman555 on June 12, 2008, 05:27:21 PM
ok.... its because as u start turning, blood rushes to your head.... which causes u 2 black out..... which is y now in days, they got suits that use like air pressure or somtin, and constrict to slow the blackout affect


-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: GooseAW on June 12, 2008, 06:50:29 PM
otherwise known as GILOC (Gravity Induced Loss Of Conciousness)
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: CAP1 on June 12, 2008, 06:50:46 PM
ok.... its because as u start turning, blood rushes to your head.... which causes u 2 black out..... which is y now in days, they got suits that use like air pressure or somtin, and constrict to slow the blackout affect


-BigBOBCH

actually, it's the other way 'round. when you pull a high g turn, the blood rushes AWAY from your head. i think somewhere in the ballpark of 5 or 6 G's is where the average pilot will black out.

<<S>>
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: Masherbrum on June 12, 2008, 06:57:08 PM
Actually, this makes TWO THREADS dealing with the "Same issue".   Sarcastically calling it "lag". 
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: Yossarian on June 12, 2008, 07:27:26 PM
Yes, well lag is a good explanation for everything.
(see below example)



Some random dude:  AH, neonazis invading Atlantis??? WHAT!!!???

AHer:   LAAAGGG!!!! BLAME TEH SQUEAKERZORZES!!!!!!!!





Edit: sorry, I'm in a bit of a hyper mood tonight (well technically this morning...)  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: Wingnutt on June 12, 2008, 07:38:40 PM
Actually, this makes TWO THREADS dealing with the "Same issue".   Sarcastically calling it "lag". 

what in gods name are you talking about?

how does lag have anything to do with a blackout?
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: mtnman on June 12, 2008, 08:19:20 PM
A normal blackout accounts for the initial blackout followed by the repeat. 

All the rest sound wierd, but I think it's on your end.  I'd check your stick- make sure it's calibrated and not spiking.  And I think it could be something graphics card related.  A driver problem or something.  I had that happen to me, and I couldn't fix it until I re-did my drivers.  I've also had blackouts start from the center going out, instead of from the edges inward, and I've had blackouts start as vertical "stripes" that started from the inside and spread outward.  Impossible to fight, since as soon as the blackout starts it blocks the center of the screen...

At the very least I'd look at your stick, and maybe do a defrag.  If the problem persists I'd look at a graphics driver or contact HTC.

MtnMan
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: E25280 on June 12, 2008, 09:28:39 PM
This is normal -- had it happen several times.  It starts when one totally blacks out, then does anything that will cause additional G's to the pilot (turning, sudden roll, etc. any of which the autopilot can do as well as it snaps your plane to autolevel) before he has adequately "recovered."  To avoid the subsequent blackouts I have found that level flight for a good five count after "coming to" seems to avoid it.
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: Becinhu on June 12, 2008, 09:51:17 PM
I have had this kind of blackout occur I think twice. Both times it occured I recalibrated the stick and it stopped. They were on slow movements as well, but with the stick being messed up calibration wise a 1 cm movement was read by the flightstick as me jamming it fully in that direction.  Come to think of it there was a little green guy on the back of my chair whacking me in the head too................... :noid :D
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: Getback on June 12, 2008, 10:06:28 PM
I have had this kind of blackout occur I think twice. Both times it occured I recalibrated the stick and it stopped. They were on slow movements as well, but with the stick being messed up calibration wise a 1 cm movement was read by the flightstick as me jamming it fully in that direction.  Come to think of it there was a little green guy on the back of my chair whacking me in the head too................... :noid :D

Yeah I was going to say. check you stick settings and put some deadzone and dampening in there.
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: Wingnutt on June 12, 2008, 10:34:49 PM
nothing wrong with my calibration.

considering even after being on AUTOPILOT.. this happened..

I hit autopilot. (causing instant blackout)... and was STILL on autopilot  when the blackout ended...

STAYED on autopilot for many seconds after i was fully back "awake" .. turned auto pilot off..  tried to start a slight roll.. instant blackout again...  important to note this is after being "awake" for close to 10 seconds, with no stick movement..

Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: Wingnutt on June 12, 2008, 10:45:39 PM
from my orignal post

Quote
I know if you fully blackout and then try rapid stick movements as soon as you regain concensious, you will black out again, im familiar with that..  but this was different.. even after several seconds of just sitting there after the blackout was over..  any movement still brought instant blackout..


you have to understand, or at least try to understand.. this all took place not in a matter of seconds, but over the course of several minutes..  no matter how much time i took doing nothing.. I would still get the instablackout from any movment.
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: dedalos on June 13, 2008, 01:04:24 PM
Wingnutt, I get this all the time in the Dora. Once I recover from the initial blackout, if I make an input too soon after recovery, I get a second blackout. Everytime.

read original post again?
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: Urthona on June 13, 2008, 01:28:05 PM
I don't know if this is related, but I get a second blackout when using TrackIR if I just move my head.  No stick input at all.  I'm not sure if this happens with a hat switch.
Title: Re: instant blackouts..
Post by: SirLoin on June 13, 2008, 01:39:27 PM
Try wearing tighter undies.