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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Curval on June 13, 2008, 02:45:44 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080613/ap_on_re_us/paying_for_grades
Back when I was in 6th grade if we didn't behave we were caned. A rather simple and effective technique for making sure we didn't step out of line.
I must admit I felt the sting of that bamboo a few times.
If I didn't get good grades I risked the wrath of my parents....which happened on a number of occasions.
I wonder what might have been if I was rewarded like this?
I'm not for or against it....just wondering.
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I think this is a fine idea.
Call me crazy, but when these kids get older, they'll already be accustomed to the concept of their salaries being based on the merits of their work. It will get kids to make the mental connection between results and income. Kids that are used to getting paid for the quality of their work early on will be less likely to complain about things like imaginary discrimination and unfairness when they reach the workforce.
They should have done this a long time ago.
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says the shade.
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says the shade.
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:lol
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I think this is a fine idea.
Call me crazy, <excess noise removed for the sake of clarity>
Ok. You are crazy. Is that a rule violation? I was only doing what he asked.
Paying kids for behaving strikes me as the epitome of laziness on the part of the parents and school system. Bribery is all it amounts to. Then later on they will turn to extortion, "Pay me, or I will shoot you!".
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I don't object to rewards based upon performance. One of my little ones had a terrible time learning to read. One summer I made a deal with him. If he read (and documents the reading of) 100 books, he gets a doller per book. I did offer that to my other two as well. Worked well ~ he eagerly read those books instead of begrudgingly read them, which went a long way in helping him learn to read before school started back up that fall.
The problem comes in when there's no consequences for bad behavior ~ only rewards for good behavior.
*edit* What an uproar it would cause if the kids had to likewise pay back money for piss-poor results. How's that for practice for life?
*edit* after having re-read that, I don't see anything new there ~ incentives for great performance ~ getting to wear jeans instead of uniforms ~ lunch with the Principle ~ they do mention up front that it's performance based fake dollars ~ for purchase basically of school supplies & little extra do-dads. Am I in agreement with slipknot??? These aren't new & innovative ideas ~ another thing they mentioned: Gold Stars have already been around a long time.
If schools were run with folks that were frowny-faced tight-lipped disciplinarians like me, those poor kids would be miserable their entire school-lives. Good for them to have someone provide a little bit of positive reinforcement!
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080613/ap_on_re_us/paying_for_grades
Back when I was in 6th grade if we didn't behave we were caned. A rather simple and effective technique for making sure we didn't step out of line.
I'll bet Singapore doesn't have a lot of graffitti either.
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Boy in the end you really cant beat the educators for coming up with stupid ideas.
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It is obviously a good thing. But like Texmom, I think positive AND negative conditioning should be considered for kids. they're all different. I know mine needed a little negative feedback in terms of loss of privlages...
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Better Idea...... fine the parents every time their child breaks the rules. Then double it each time the child commits the same infraction.
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My parents always rewarded me financially for good grades up to highschool. There were even baseball card/comic stores that would give you credit per A or B. Now, granted, that was to get kids in the door... but it worked.
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A teachers options are severely limited as to what they can do to encourage the students. Negative reinforcement is not allowed. In some schools failing grades are not allowed. A child must be passed to the next grade even though they do no work and pass no tests. I've personally seen that in operation. Some states now requiring passage of a test to graduate high school are now seeing the results of that kind of situation.
The law says that a kid is allowed 12 years of free education. Not even a law can make the kid learn when they do not want to. Trying varied means of positive reinforcement is all the school is going to be able to do.
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Odd. I have a 12 year old, just left 6th grade, heading to 7th.
Friends, a solid 20 of them, all in a close circle since pre-school.
All doing well.
None bribed, none beaten, none ignored. All the parents in this small group attend every school event, every awards ceremony, every opportunity to interact with the school and staff.
All kids have the best squeal when they play, smile and are simply a pleasure to be around, all are welcome to our home any time, mine is welcome to any of theres.
No singular church is attended, no strict moral guidelines. Some of the kids have 2 "dads" some have 2 "moms" some have lost their father or mother, some are hetero couples, some have large, mixed race siblings, others are only children, some are adopted.
One thing in common, we all participate.
Another thing in common, the school district, administrators, staff love us, as we do them.
The Government is irrelevant in what we are doing. Also, each child knows we know who they are, who their parents are, and are fiercely polite and respectful when we see them anywhere.
We succeed in spite of the Government, not because of it, we do things at our local school that are contrary to "state" or "federal" regulation but you know what, it's our school, we show incredible scores, and frankly if they wish to come down to our level and discuss what we are going wrong then I'm more than willing to meet with them.
A teachers options are severely limited as to what they can do to encourage the students
Incorrect. Many use the rules as a reason not to do what they need to do. First Hand, I know they can do good things. Our Public school, they can and will fail, they can and will hold back, they can and will expel. The schools can and will do what the parents of the students support.
Of course, maybe we are just lucky, but I'll go with that. Our students say the pledge, our teachers say Merry Christmas during the Christmas Season, and Happy Hanuka during the Jewish Holidays, and recognize all the other holidays. Staff says if the State doesn't like that, come on down and tell them about it. They won't, not with the scores our kids produce. We tell those families that say they are offended by anything to grow a spine. We are not forcing anyone to observe, only allowing those to observe as they wish.
Simple solutions for a problem that doesn't exist but demands to be created. Parents get involved with their Kids. Parents get involved with their schools. You'd think it was something difficult to comprehend at times.
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In case you haven't been paying attention, any type of negative punishment, regardless of its effectiveness, is going the way of the do-do. This has little to do with educators, and a whole lot to do with fear of law-suits. Learning requires individual and group discipline, in equal measure. There is very little of either in today's modern classrooms.
Lots of soccer moms and lilly-livered dads going running interference for their brats when they act like jerks at school. It's a major reason why so many modern kids have no manners or character and are as dumb as stumps.
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We didn't have any mamby pamby caning. My teachers used oak 1 x 4's wrapped with friction tape and a few holes drilled in them for aerodynamics and style. Kind of resembled a cricket bat.
I was lifted off the floor more than once by the "board of education".
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Ok. You are crazy. Is that a rule violation? I was only doing what he asked.
Paying kids for behaving strikes me as the epitome of laziness on the part of the parents and school system. Bribery is all it amounts to. Then later on they will turn to extortion, "Pay me, or I will shoot you!".
Being a teacher sucks hard. You can't punish kids. You have to try to teach to 2% of the class while the other 98% creates chaos. You can't give bad grades or schools will lose funding, the teacher's will get in trouble from the higher ups, and the parents will go nutball on the teacher's for giving them bad grades. Even after you tell them that their kid spends their days standing on their chair smearing feces on their face, they don't care or want to hear it. Just push them through.
I would be in the loony bin in 1 year if I had to teach.
I think this article is trying to show that kids need some reason to pay attention because they have everything handed to them. We have become a nation of people having things handed to them without realizing it. Even the poor really aren't that poor. It's the lower middle class that suffers the worst. They don't make enough to make it, but make too much for help, but pay the same taxes. As does most of the middle class.
But hey, Obama is going to take care of that. The middle class will get taxed even MORE - struggle more and with any hope - he will learn how many states are in the union.
Psssssst: Idiots voting for Obama... If your candidate does not know how many states are in the United States - or where North Dakota is located, that's a REALLY REALLY bad sign. Especially when his wife says she HATES America?
Geesh - do you really think this guy is going to help our schools , kids, and the parents/teachers to lead by example?
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We didn't have any mamby pamby caning. My teachers used oak 1 x 4's wrapped with friction tape and a few holes drilled in them for aerodynamics and style. Kind of resembled a cricket bat.
I was lifted off the floor more than once by the "board of education".
Someone needs a physics lesson.
A cane hurts far more than something that resembles a cricket bat. It's a surface area thing.
Also, a bamboo cane separates when it comes into contact with one's backside. When it is pulled away it pinches badly. I bled on many occasions.
Manby pamby....pfffft.
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I pay my kids for good grades. My philosophy is this: Positive reinforcement brings positive results.
$20 for A's, $10 for B's. (C, D takes away a B payout, an F takes out an A payout. Fortunately non of my kids have ever gotten F in an semester grade)
My oldest (of whom many of you knew I had problems with back during hunting season) turned out having the best year he's had since 1st grade! He was given the task of reporting out status to me on Fridays and graphing the trends (they have their grades and homework grades online) and that was the ticket, giving him ownership and responsibility as well as reward for a job well done (sort of like a job)
I believe in spanking children, but never striking them with an object, and never after age 3 (because there are more effective measures for punishment, such as taking things away they love to play with.)
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but why should you spend your own money. This should be a taxpayer funded thing.
Also, what about those kids who get bad grades? They should not be ostracized, pay them too.