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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: AApache on June 13, 2008, 06:19:02 PM
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Either of these would be a blast.
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Seconded.
EDIT: Saying that drones don't count as combat is a very poor excuse for saying no to adding a plane.
EDIT2: The above remark is not aimed at HTC, but at any non-HTC person who says that. Of course, if HTC did say it, that changes things a bit, but I still think the Gloster Meteor should be added.
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The idea that we should get an aircraft that played almost no part in WWII before some countries are even represented is ludicrous. This is the absolute last aircraft on the endless list of aircraft that we need.
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WAY toward the bottom of the list.
Mountains of other aircraft and items needed first.
:salute
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hmmm like more american planes you mean? like the last TWO planes that were added? in the past almost 2 years i've played this game . I've only ever seen US planes added or updated (with the exeption of the La's ) last year it was the F4 series. this year we had the B25 and P39 added. The Mossie and hurricaine models need updating , along with the lancaster and boston . Historicly important planes such as the Bomber Mossie are ignored . They were important ; pathfinder role was very imortant to RAF bomber command.
Big heavies such as the halifax and sterlin are also missing from the plane set. these were all planes that could carry twice the ords of the US army airforce flew more missions maned by men that NEVER went home after a tour. NEVER had a break for more that 5 days. flew a mission almost every day for 6 years.
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Buzz bombs would be fun.
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Hooray for the Meteor!
Would really add to the game play here i think, which is why i want it added. It would fill a hole between the Tempest and 262. It would be much easier to fly and not so uber as the 262.
Entered service in mid 44 and 2 squadrons of Meteor III's were based on the continent in the 2nd TAF from January 1945.
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hmmm like more american planes you mean? like the last TWO planes that were added? in the past almost 2 years i've played this game . I've only ever seen US planes added or updated (with the exeption of the La's ) last year it was the F4 series. this year we had the B25 and P39 added. The Mossie and hurricaine models need updating , along with the lancaster and boston . Historicly important planes such as the Bomber Mossie are ignored . They were important ; pathfinder role was very imortant to RAF bomber command.
Big heavies such as the halifax and sterlin are also missing from the plane set. these were all planes that could carry twice the ords of the US army airforce flew more missions maned by men that NEVER went home after a tour. NEVER had a break for more that 5 days. flew a mission almost every day for 6 years.
What book you been reading?
Bomber Command crews had tour lengths and rests. They didn't go from beginning to end. Make your argument for RAF bombers, but don't make it up as you go along please.
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the rests were very short compared to US crews . Most rest was spent on base and putting im more hours flying or gunnery practice . crews would spend maybe 4 days off base if they were lucky . My grandfarther was IN the RAF ;it was what he TOLD me not some book by some man who wasn't there. offical reports are alot diffrent to what acctually happenned . :salute
and if you read i never said they didn't have tours. I also used the words ALMOST.
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Yeah, it would be fun to hop into a Meteor and row boat around after a Me262, but there are FAR many more aircraft that desere to be added to the game vs that thing.
Let HTC devote their time and resources to those planes instead. ;)
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hmmm like more american planes you mean? like the last TWO planes that were added? in the past almost 2 years i've played this game . I've only ever seen US planes added or updated (with the exeption of the La's ) last year it was the F4 series. this year we had the B25 and P39 added. The Mossie and hurricaine models need updating , along with the lancaster and boston . Historicly important planes such as the Bomber Mossie are ignored . They were important ; pathfinder role was very imortant to RAF bomber command.
Big heavies such as the halifax and sterlin are also missing from the plane set. these were all planes that could carry twice the ords of the US army airforce flew more missions maned by men that NEVER went home after a tour. NEVER had a break for more that 5 days. flew a mission almost every day for 6 years.
First, <SHARP SALUTE> to your Grandfather for his service in the RAF during WW2. :salute
Second, as to your comments:
If you will look around the wishlist - the biggest percetage of the requests for new planes are for "NON-US AIRCRAFT" (except for the Noobs that want the B-29, Nook, F-22 & the Batmobile, etc. :rolleyes: ) like the HE-111, D.520, KI-43, PE-2, etc.
1. There are many calls for the Mossie to be improved with dampers removed to up speed, improved bomb loads AND the Bomber version of the Mossie. Would like to see this myself.
2. The Halifax & Sterling (Sterling wasn't that great a bomber - due to it's short wings it couldn't climb to the alts like the Halifax & Lanc could) would be nice to have - but the Lancaster we have already will do everything better. Plain and simple. An upgrade on her would be nice though. Second on this - there is no NIGHT in AH so the British heavies have a harder time defending against mass fighter attacks with their smaller caliber guns as the B-17. B-24 & B-26 can.
3. IMHO we don't need the Meteor - didn't make that big of an impact on the war as a whole other than chaseing Buzz Bombs down. That and we got enough "Jet Dweebs" zooming around now making a pain of themselves. ;)
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jester i see the requests are there . but alas they seems to be falling on deaf ears. :salute
and as regards point (3) i spent saturday zooming around in a 262 causing mass laughter :) :cry (300 perkies gone ) :furious
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jester i see the requests are there . but alas they seems to be falling on deaf ears.
Well....short of all of us buying HTC stock up or someone coming up with a set of pictures showing Hitech & crew naked with a bunch of sheep that is about all we can do is put up requests for new aircraft and options.
Such is life. :D
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the rests were very short compared to US crews . Most rest was spent on base and putting im more hours flying or gunnery practice . crews would spend maybe 4 days off base if they were lucky . My grandfarther was IN the RAF ;it was what he TOLD me not some book by some man who wasn't there. offical reports are alot diffrent to what acctually happenned . :salute
and if you read i never said they didn't have tours. I also used the words ALMOST.
<S> to Grandpa. I've known lots of RAF pilots over the years as well. Bomber tours were 35 missions, after initially being 200 hours. Pathfinder tours were 45 missions. They changed it to missions because guys were slowing down on the way back to make the flights longer and burn up hours. Can't really blame them for trying to add up the hours considering the job.
Certainly there were guys who flew 2-3 tours during the war. This applied to many Allied aircrew. Different theaters of the war had different hour or mission requirements.
The comment that got my attention was this one:
"flew more missions maned by men that NEVER went home after a tour. NEVER had a break for more that 5 days. flew a mission almost every day for 6 years."
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Add the Gloster Meteor!! :rock
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hmmm like more american planes you mean? like the last TWO planes that were added? in the past almost 2 years i've played this game . I've only ever seen US planes added or updated (with the exeption of the La's ) last year it was the F4 series. this year we had the B25 and P39 added. The Mossie and hurricaine models need updating , along with the lancaster and boston . Historicly important planes such as the Bomber Mossie are ignored . They were important ; pathfinder role was very imortant to RAF bomber command.
Big heavies such as the halifax and sterlin are also missing from the plane set. these were all planes that could carry twice the ords of the US army airforce flew more missions maned by men that NEVER went home after a tour. NEVER had a break for more that 5 days. flew a mission almost every day for 6 years.
you forgot that they updated the TA-152. and also Italian planes should be added before anything else, they only have the C.202 and C.205 in the game. also those two planes need to be updated, the Macchi C.205 did/could carry small bombs and a drop tank. I suggest the G.55, C.200, P.108, Cant Z.1007, Br.20, Sm.79
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I suggest the G.55, C.200, P.108, Cant Z.1007, Br.20, Sm.79
No offense Selino, but who has ever heard of those planes?
They most likely played an insignificant role in the war and you're just throwing these planes down arbitrarily just so that there are alternatives to the Meteor.
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No offense Selino, but who has ever heard of those planes?
No offense, but I have, perhaps you should learn history.
They most likely played an insignificant role in the war and you're just throwing these planes down arbitrarily just so that there are alternatives to the Meteor.
Because, as we all know, the Meteor played a huge role in the war. The C.200 was a fighter that seemed to have less success than the popular C.202, the G.55 was a superb aircraft with a license built German DB605A engine, the P.108, Z.1007, and Br.20 IIRC are Italian bombers, and the Sm.79 was a bomber/transport similar to the Ju52/3m. All played a larger role in the war than the Meteor.
I would like to see the CR.42 over all other Italian fighters, which was Italy's main fighter aircraft at the outbreak of the war, and would be cool to have since it was a biplane. It was armed with 2-4 .50 caliber SAFAT machine guns.
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No offense, but I have, perhaps you should learn history.Because, as we all know, the Meteor played a huge role in the war.
I never said the Meteor did play a huge role. My point is that there is a reason history does not portray these other aircraft as popular. If they were used more, why are they not heard of in everyday use when we talk of WWII?
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No offense, but I have, perhaps you should learn history.Because, as we all know, the Meteor played a huge role in the war. The C.200 was a fighter that seemed to have less success than the popular C.202, the G.55 was a superb aircraft with a license built German DB605A engine, the P.108, Z.1007, and Br.20 IIRC are Italian bombers, and the Sm.79 was a bomber/transport similar to the Ju52/3m. All played a larger role in the war than the Meteor.
I would like to see the CR.42 over all other Italian fighters, which was Italy's main fighter aircraft at the outbreak of the war, and would be cool to have since it was a biplane. It was armed with 2-4 .50 caliber SAFAT machine guns.
:aok
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I never said the Meteor did play a huge role. My point is that there is a reason history does not portray these other aircraft as popular. If they were used more, why are they not heard of in everyday use when we talk of WWII?
These aircraft did play a role in the entire war, especially in the Mediterranean theater. Italy is not mentioned alot because of there poor fighting skill due to Benito Mussolini's lack of military knowledge. (Even a Regia Aeuroaunitca unit in Belgium participated in the battle of Britian and also sent Italian fight/bomber elements to the eastern front.) the aircraft i mentioned in the other post were the primary aircraft in the Italian arsenal. they did play a big role in the war.
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The Meteor was i believe the first allied jet aircraft to see combat and if you think ground attack isnt combat then you should go fly low lever with ack guns trying to fill you full of holes.
Yes there other aitcraft that should be added first especially italian and japanese and russian aircraft.
Be nice If HTC added something that no one was expecting but would be used.
speaking of used i hardly ever see the b25c or p39 now used when i am on line!!!
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It was armed with 2-4 .50 caliber SAFAT machine guns.
WOOT! 2-4 50 cals. :O
I'M IN!
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WOOT! 2-4 50 cals. :O
I'M IN!
It has better guns than some of the early war planes we have.
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I never said the Meteor did play a huge role. My point is that there is a reason history does not portray these other aircraft as popular. If they were used more, why are they not heard of in everyday use when we talk of WWII?
Because Italy;
1) Did not win the war. History is decided by the victors.
2) Italy played a smaller part in the European war than Germany. Their biggest contribution was in the Mediterranean theater, which the United States did not play a large role in- see #1.
As an American, you, at least I am exposed to 8 fighter aircraft by the media (History channel, Discovery Channel, and Military Channel)
1)The P51 Mustang; this was the awesomest aircraft of the war! It was so uber mustang pilots could shoot down German pilots in their sleep! lol! It was critical to winning the air war in Germany, even though the Thunderbolt actually played a larger role in this! (in reality, something like 4000 kills were amassed by mustang pilots in Europe, which is 1/3 of the total kills of Jagdgescwhader 52).
2)The P47 Thunderbolt; this fighter was frikken sweet! It was super fast and indestructible! It somehow climbed better than the 109 just because of a new propeller even though the 109 was about half the weight with more engine power! It was magic! And, it was the heaviest armed fighter of the war!(?!)
3)The F6F Hellcat; super l33t! It was totally able to out maneuver the Zero despite being twice as heavy!
4)The F4U Corsair; See Hellcat!
5)The Me.109; total suckage. Despite the fact that in reality it's later versions were lighter and faster than the Mustang, the poor skill of the pilots at the end of the war and their inability to push the 109 to it's limits must mean that the aircraft sucks.
6)The Fw.190; better than the 109, but still sucked! Despite having 4 20mm cannons and 2 .50 cals, or sometimes 2 30mm cannons and 2 20mm's, it still had a lighter armament than the Thunderbolt!(!?!?!)
7)The Zero; this aircraft is so rarely referred to by it's military designation (A6M) that we sometimes have people come in saying we don't have it! Not that we should have it anyway, they should have spent the time they spent modeling the Zero modeling more uber leet American planes like the P61 and the B29 and the P80 and the...........! This thing totally sucked! It was super slow (despite being faster than the F4F) and blew up if you sneezed at it!
8)The Me.262; despite being the first operational jet fighter in the world and the only in WWII to see combat against manned enemy combat aircraft in the air, being the fastest and one of the most heavily armed interceptors of the war, it was still less leet than the P51 and the P47's 8 .50 cals were still more powerful than it's 4 30mm autocannons!(!?!) lol!
Don't try to deny it either; this, almost always, is what American history documentaries tell you. Occasionally you'll hear of the the Spitfire, the Hurricane, the P38 and the F4F but far less commonly than these 8 aircraft (coupled with their almost unanimous description as above). It's extremely unrealistic to expect anyone to know of Italian, Russian, French, Romanian, Japanese, and many British aircraft without doing something silly and time consuming like reading a book or even doing light research on the internet.
WOOT! 2-4 50 cals. :O
I'M IN!
Guess what armament your P38 has once you've expended all the ammunition in the Hispano ;)
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Point taken Motherland. I'm not ignorant of WWII planes but I had just never heard of those before and they've never popped up in books I've read or documentaries I've seen.
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Guess what armament your P38 has once you've expended all the ammunition in the Hispano ;)
4x .50's in the hands of a pilot with even "fair" gunnery skills is usually more than enough. Concentrated in the nose like on the P-38 it will cut a wing off about any aircraft like a hot knife through butter and will SHREAD the fuselage of any of the Luftwaffe planes with a min 2 second burst. (Not even to mention what it will do to the lighter Japanese planes) It is superior, IMHO anyway, than the 4x .50's set up on the P-51B & C due to that factor.
The 20mm is just for "emphasis" to get a bandits Attention. :aok
:salute
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The .50 SAFAT is slightly weaker than the M2, however, 2 are mounted in the cowl and 2 in the wing root on the CR.42. Even 2 .50's and .30's are capable of bringing down an aircraft in a fair sized burst, the C.202 has proven this to me many times.
4x .50's in the hands of a pilot with even "fair" gunnery skills is usually more than enough. Concentrated in the nose like on the P-38 it will cut a wing off about any aircraft like a hot knife through butter and will SHREAD the fuselage of any of the Luftwaffe planes with a min 2 second burst. (Not even to mention what it will do to the lighter Japanese planes) It is superior, IMHO anyway, than the 4x .50's set up on the P-51B & C due to that factor.
The 20mm is just for "emphasis" to get a bandits Attention. :aok
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Yes... I know... :furious :lol
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LOL! Mother, I just realized you are "BUBI" in the game.
Then I guess you know "From Experience" what those 4x .50's on a 38 will do. BEWARE THE FORK-TAILED DEVIL! :devil
Good flying againast you guys the other night. :aok
:salute
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And I think I demonstrated last night what a 20mm auto cannon combined with 2 7.9mm machine guns can do to the 'Fork-Tailed Devil' :D
It's always more fun when the 49th is in the arena <S>
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hmmm like more american planes you mean? like the last TWO planes that were added? in the past almost 2 years i've played this game . I've only ever seen US planes added or updated (with the exeption of the La's ) last year it was the F4 series. this year we had the B25 and P39 added. The Mossie and hurricaine models need updating , along with the lancaster and boston . Historicly important planes such as the Bomber Mossie are ignored . They were important ; pathfinder role was very imortant to RAF bomber command.
Big heavies such as the halifax and sterlin are also missing from the plane set. these were all planes that could carry twice the ords of the US army airforce flew more missions maned by men that NEVER went home after a tour. NEVER had a break for more that 5 days. flew a mission almost every day for 6 years.
Sound a little bitter there... Remember that if it wasn't for thoes US planes and pilots the war would of been lost to the axis. No way the brits could win a war by themselfs...you can't win if you have to stop for tea breaks every fifteen minutes while singing God save the Queen. I say the more American planes the better. And update the hellcat. :salute
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Sound a little bitter there... Remember that if it wasn't for thoes US planes and pilots the war would of been lost to the axis. No way the brits could win a war by themselfs...you can't win if you have to stop for tea breaks every fifteen minutes while singing God save the Queen. I say the more American planes the better. And update the hellcat. :salute
I'm not sure who should be more insulted, the British or the Americans. This is the stupidest post I've seen here in a while.
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:lol
In case you didn't understand the post, as you apparently didn't, I was criticizing the History, Discovery, and Military channel, and the ignorance of the average American on the subject of other country's involvement in the war.
edit; looks like you figured it out.
By the way, the young, out numbered, inexperienced British pilots defending their homeland against the Luftwaffe, being the most experienced, technologically advanced, and numerically advantageous air force of the period save the VVS (which was horribly out dated) in the Battle of Britain are in my opinion some of the bravest men to have lived, along with the Luftwaffe RVG units near the end of the war. Both organizations faced impossible odds, the pilots surely knowing they had little chance of surviving the war. Despite this, these brave men strapped themselves into 6000 lbs of fabric, wood, and steel to defend their homeland; many never returned from their missions. The heroic actions of the British airmen were eventually able to drive off the attacking German forces.
Believe it or not, the United States was only one part of the Allied war machine; Britain, the Soviet Union, and our other Allies played an equally large role. If it weren't for those British planes, if it weren't for those Russian planes, if it weren't for those Australian planes, ad nauseum, as well as those American planes, Germany, Italy, Japan and the rest of the Axis forces would have won the war.
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Sound a little bitter there... Remember that if it wasn't for thoes US planes and pilots the war would of been lost to the axis. No way the brits could win a war by themselfs...you can't win if you have to stop for tea breaks every fifteen minutes while singing God save the Queen. I say the more American planes the better.
Actually, if it hadn't been for the British beating back the Germans during the BOB and holding England - starting the massive Bomber Raids into Germany and thus keeping a two-front & later with the MTO a three-front war going on with German - Russia most likely would have opted out of the war with a peace offering - and the US would have been stuck on the other side of the Ocean with a fine front row seat.
While I doubt the British could have won the war by themselves - they DAMN SURE had a good part in seeing the ALLIES won it.
High Tone - you really should put more thought into posts like that before you hit the POST button. Not only does it make you look like a total bellybutton - it is damn insulting to all those verterans out there that were fighting to keep their Country when you were'nt nothing but an "itch" in your Fathers (or Grandfathers) pants.
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The Meteor was i believe the first allied jet aircraft to see combat and if you think ground attack isnt combat then you should go fly low lever with ack guns trying to fill you full of holes.
Yes there other aitcraft that should be added first especially italian and japanese and russian aircraft.
Be nice If HTC added something that no one was expecting but would be used.
speaking of used i hardly ever see the b25c or p39 now used when i am on line!!!
I really enjoy the 25C strafer Rogerdee. You should try it. Great fun dogfighting in it :) I still see a fair amount of 39s as well
But you do speak to the fundimental problem and actually work against your own argument to add more Italian, Japanese, Russian or whatever aircraft.
The majority of players aren't interested in the history part of things. They want the bestest plane they can have.
Outside of adding Meteors, Do335s, He162s, B29s, F8Fs or whatever, any bird that get added from here on out, will see limited use outside of the AvA, Snapshots, FSO or Scenarios. They just aren't uber enough.
Would there be some of us who'd love to tangle with the Latewar birds in a Ki43, I-16, CR 42 and the like? You bet. I think it would be great fun. But there's no way that the majority of players are going to give up the speed or the cannons to fly slower, more lightly armed birds.
So while you can say that the 25 and 39 are 'hanger queens', the same would be said for anything but Uber birds added to the planeset, and I don't think you are suggesting Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe here :)