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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Cajunn on June 14, 2008, 04:13:02 AM
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I wish they would un-perk the F4U-4...
And for what reason is it Perked in the first place, in many areas the P-51 out performs it accept in acceleration. There very close in stats in my opinion. :salute
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F4U-4 is probably the best prop fighter in game, it deserves its perk cost imo.
It outperforms the P-51 in every aspect.
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Even I, the worstest pilot in the game*, think the F4U-4 should be perked, just because it's so dam fun to fly!
*I'm sure there are a few exceptions. I can fly half-decently, I just can't do much whilst flying (e.g. shoot people down).
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Yossarian
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I wish they would un-perk the F4U-4...
And for what reason is it Perked in the first place, in many areas the P-51 out performs it accept in acceleration. There very close in stats in my opinion. :salute
:lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl
Are you kidding me?!?!? F4U-4 is the 2nd fastest prop plane next to the Tempest. It out turns the Tempest, P-51, Lgay 7, and a whole lot of other planes that you probably cant fly. I've taken F4U-4s against an average spixteen pilot and introduced him to the ground more than enough only to be called out with "squeak squeak, you cant kill my spit 16 in your F4U, you haxx!!" :rolleyes:
Trust me, IMO, the F4U is the BEST prop plane in the game.
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:lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl
Are you kidding me?!?!? F4U-4 is the 2nd fastest prop plane next to the Tempest. It out turns the Tempest, P-51, Lgay 7, and a whole lot of other planes that you probably cant fly. I've taken F4U-4s against an average spixteen pilot and introduced him to the ground more than enough only to be called out with "squeak squeak, you cant kill my spit 16 in your F4U, you haxx!!" :rolleyes:
Trust me, IMO, the F4U is the BEST prop plane in the game.
F4U4 and Temp are very close in speed. The F4U4 has faster acceleration, and is faster than the Tempest at approx. 21,000 feet on Military power. On WEP, the F4U4 is Faster than the Tempest at 10,000 feet, and 20,000 feet. The F4U4 can also hold E well and hold good in a dive, making it superior than the Tempest at pretty much every aspect.
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if they unperked the -4 hog I wouldn't need perk points ever again.
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What in the world are you guys talking about.....have any of you checked the performance charts. From 5k up to 17k the mustang is faster from 17k to 20k there equal and from 20k up the mustang has a higher top speed. The F4U4 has a slight edge in climb rate at some altitudes, and as for as turn rate the F4U-4 is a little better but its still not a turner, and it does hold its energy better and that's just because of its weight. I checked all the charts and thats why I asked the question..... Why is this plane perked and I fly both of them alot and I love the F4U-4 but I haven't seen anything that makes it the super plane that you guys seem to think it is. And if the performance charts are wrong then they need to be upgraded. But as I said I fly it alot and really in some cases I reather fly the mustang. And for the record its mot equal to the Mustand then the tempest
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Cajunn,
You obviously haven't learned to use flaps effectively yet. The F4U-4 will easily out turn the P-51D and has higher acceleration as well. It rolls much better and is significantly tougher. The F4U-4 is also carrier capable. The P-51 is slightly faster at some altitudes and has longer fuel endurance.
The F4U-4's top speed is ~445mph and the P-51D's is ~435mph, fyi.
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Trust me, if they ever unperk the -4 the only Hogs you'll ever see in LW are -4s and Charlies. The whines to restore the Perk will be at a level that the "Perk the ElGhey/Spixteen" threads only reach in their wildest wet-dreams.
The F4U-4 isn't perked for any one stat, like the F4U-1C which is perked because of the cannon and memories of constant HOing. The F4U-4 is perked because all its stats TOGETHER make it the best air-to-air fighter in the plane set. The P-51 is MARGINALLY faster in an altitude band between 3000-12,000ft and has far greater range, but in every other aspect: acceleration, rate of climb, ammunition load, rate of roll, durability, turning performance, diving ability and energy retention the F4U-4 is superior.
And it's blue. :P
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Cajunn,
You obviously haven't learned to use flaps effectively yet. The F4U-4 will easily out turn the P-51D and has higher acceleration as well. It rolls much better and is significantly tougher. The F4U-4 is also carrier capable. The P-51 is slightly faster at some altitudes and has longer fuel endurance.
The F4U-4's top speed is ~445mph and the P-51D's is ~435mph, fyi.
F4U-4 top speed is 445 with wep all 5 min of it, you take away the WEP and top speed is under 430 around 425 while the P-51 without wep will do 435 add WEP and it makes 440 ,Check the charts before you reply. And sir I do use flaps and the mustang can deploy flaps at over 400 MPH while the F4U-4 has to be 250 MPH or under. And if you bring the fight down to where MA fights or, you will see that at them altitudes the Mustang will out perform the F4U-4 in many areas. But now that I said that I do like the F4U-4 alot and its only around 20 perks so I will still fly it .
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cajunn just how long have you been playing this game?
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Trust me, if they ever unperk the -4 the only Hogs you'll ever see in LW are -4s and Charlies. The whines to restore the Perk will be at a level that the "Perk the ElGhey/Spixteen" threads only reach in their wildest wet-dreams.
The F4U-4 isn't perked for any one stat, like the F4U-1C which is perked because of the cannon and memories of constant HOing. The F4U-4 is perked because all its stats TOGETHER make it the best air-to-air fighter in the plane set. The P-51 is MARGINALLY faster in an altitude band between 3000-12,000ft and has far greater range, but in every other aspect: acceleration, rate of climb, ammunition load, rate of roll, durability, turning performance, diving ability and energy retention the F4U-4 is superior.
And it's blue. :P
And i agree and that is the kind of answer I was looking for, "WHY" was it perked because by the chart's there wasn't alot of difference.
Thank you!
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The F4U-4's top speed is ~445mph and the P-51D's is ~435mph, fyi.
not in game. at 18,000 ft up your lucky to reach 420mph on WEP in the P51D. Not sure about the f4uf, but i know that for a fact in the P51
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cajunn just how long have you been playing this game?
Over a year why?
Because I'm asking about A plane that I just resently started flying and all the chart figures that I looked at didn't add up to why it was perked.
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And This is a Wish list and I was just wishing that 4 hog wasn't perked!
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Over a year why?
Because I'm asking about A plane that I just resently started flying and all the chart figures that I looked at didn't add up to why it was perked.
Because you have no idea how dominant the -4 can be. Stellar all round performance AND great ords carrying capabilities.
Ask yourself this question... If the -4 was unperked, would you ever up a -d again (other than eny restriction)? Be honest.
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The P-51's flaps can come out faster, but even without flaps the F4U has the edge in high-speed maneuverability.
Put equal pilots in both planes and the F4U-4 will beat any prop fighter in the game.
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F4U-4 top speed is 445 with wep all 5 min of it, you take away the WEP and top speed is under 430 around 425 while the P-51 without wep will do 435 add WEP and it makes 440 ,Check the charts before you reply. And sir I do use flaps and the mustang can deploy flaps at over 400 MPH while the F4U-4 has to be 250 MPH or under. And if you bring the fight down to where MA fights or, you will see that at them altitudes the Mustang will out perform the F4U-4 in many areas. But now that I said that I do like the F4U-4 alot and its only around 20 perks so I will still fly it .
Any time I get a 51 down to the deck and I'm in a 4-Hog that 51 is dead 100% of the time. He ain't running from me and sure won't turn with me.
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I agree that it is slightly odd to have a perked 4Hog and very odd to have what amounts to a perked D-Hog/w cannon package in a game that has unperked La-7s. However to start UNPERKING things would be a step in exactly the wrong direction IMO.
BTW, I agree with all the arguments about performance the F4U-4, based on that, relative to other LW planes, it should be perked. However, saying that the F4U-4/C-hog should be perked so that people will fly the other hogs is NOT an argument that holds up to logic. One could just as easily argue the La7 should be perked so that people will fly the La5, that the PonyD should be perked so people woould fly the B, that the Spit16/8 should be perked so that people will fly the Spit9, etc.
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It's not a matter of perking the -4 to force players to use the earlier marks. The simple fact is, that if the -4 wasn't perked then people would NATURALLY roll a -4 instead.
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Are you kidding me?!?!? F4U-4 is the 2nd fastest prop plane next to the Tempest
All this talk of speed when i always thought the P-47N was the fastest plane at altitude
EDIT: silly me..thats only with WEP on
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And at about 30,000ft, which you won't have much to shoot at....
....at least until Ack-Ack comes screaming down on you.
:D
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Is this really a problem? Most players got loads of perks anyways, they're just being cheap :P
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BTW, I agree with all the arguments about performance the F4U-4, based on that, relative to other LW planes, it should be perked. However, saying that the F4U-4/C-hog should be perked so that people will fly the other hogs is NOT an argument that holds up to logic. One could just as easily argue the La7 should be perked so that people will fly the La5, that the PonyD should be perked so people woould fly the B, that the Spit16/8 should be perked so that people will fly the Spit9, etc.
Then tell me why was the Chog perked hmmmmm?
Never mind I'll tell you. It was overused, thus creating an imbalance in game play. The Chog did it with its superior cannon, the -4 would do it with it's superior performance. So yea, it is about using the other hogs.
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Note where I mentioned in my other post I mentioned ords carrying. If the la-7/spit VIII/XVI could carry almost 3k in ords they'd be perked also. You have to factor that into the "why perk equation".
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Leave it perked. It's a steroidal beast of a plane- fast, agile, good guns.
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As a dedicated hog pilot, I would say I would love the heck outta flying a -4 for free.. BUT... We cant let it happen! The -4 is in my, and many others opinions one of, if not THE best plane in the game. it takes all that is GOOD about the hog (roll rate, turn with flaps, high speed dives, etc etc) and takes away many of it's weaknesses (accel, climb, etc) AND adds a top speed to match or exceed the pony. As was said earlier, the -4 is not perked for any one specific strength it has, but rather the combination of it's strengths. Sure, there are planes that outperform it in any one area of performance, usually not by much, but there is no other plane in the set that has the combination of strengths the -4 has, without weakness. If any plane in the set needs to be unperked, it is the Spit 14. good plane sure, but not a powerhouse requiring a perk in my opinion. (yes, opinion, everyone has one! hehe)
Sol
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Fastest American fighters...
P-47N: 476 mph at 30,000 feet with 25% fuel, short clip for ammo. 469 mph at 30,000 feet, 75% fuel, max ammo.
F4U-4: 453 mph at 27,300 feet with 25% fuel. 448 mph at 27,300 feet with 100% fuel.
P-51B: 443 mph at 27,500 feet with 25% fuel.
P-51D: 441 mph at 25,000 feet with 25% fuel.
P-47D-11: 436 mph at 30,000 feet with 25% fuel, short clip ammo load.
My regards,
Widewing
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Ahh, widewing coming to save the day again. :D
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Use is a poor arguement. The P-51D is used waaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion to what it brings to the table as an airplane. So is the N1K to a lesser degree, IMO. Whereas the Spit8, Ki-84, etc, are undersued in proportion to their capability. CHog is perked because it has the deadliest gun package of the game with a loooooong clip to go with it.
I also don't think ord carrying capability is as big a factor as you make it. Most jabo runs are suicide missions-because of this, perking a plane ensures it will almost never be used for jabo anyway. If the enemy has air-superiority and alot of ack up at a base, you probably ain't getting out of it in once piece, whether you're flying a Typhoon, P47N, CHog, or F4U-4. If the friendly air superiority has been more or less established, you can usually bring in an A-20 or a "real" bomber and do more damage than any jabo-fighter.
Then tell me why was the Chog perked hmmmmm?
Never mind I'll tell you. It was overused, thus creating an imbalance in game play. The Chog did it with its superior cannon, the -4 would do it with it's superior performance. So yea, it is about using the other hogs.
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Note where I mentioned in my other post I mentioned ords carrying. If the la-7/spit VIII/XVI could carry almost 3k in ords they'd be perked also. You have to factor that into the "why perk equation".
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Ord is a factor in perking, and ENY, because it allows you to kill more stuff, in more ways. A 1000 lbs of HE is nothing to sneeze at, nevermind two of them and whatever 8 of those rockets amount to.
And a minor pick, but the chog's guns aren't the deadliest package, though nearly so.
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I wish they would un-perk the F4U-4...
And for what reason is it Perked in the first place, in many areas the P-51 out performs it accept in acceleration. There very close in stats in my opinion. :salute
Best prop plane in the game.
Very perk worthy.
Bedsides... if it were unperked, the -1, -1A and -1D would see zero use.
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Ord is a factor in perking, and ENY, because it allows you to kill more stuff, in more ways. A 1000 lbs of HE is nothing to sneeze at, nevermind two of them and whatever 8 of those rockets amount to.
And a minor pick, but the chog's guns aren't the deadliest package, though nearly so.
You gotta ROF/trajectory/ease of shooting for the average person in there.
And like I say, perking it ensures that it will rarely be used for Jabo anyway. You see the lowest-perked plane, the C-hog used for Jabo a little, the 4-Hog more rarely, the Tempest almost never.
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Mossie beats the chog as a gun package.. In pretty much all aspects except maybe stability/agility of the gun platform, and most players rarely exploit them that much.
Ground attack might be more risky, but that risk is reduced about as much as the risk of dying because of the extra safety in superior performance the -4 gives you.
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Unperk the F4u-4 and perk the La7. Fair trade.
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Im not saying unperk the Fu-4. But if it was unperked I'd still fly the D as my main ord dropper. They say the FU-4 has almost the same fuel duration with its built in tanks but it sure seems different to me. The full fuel option on the D seems to last a lot longer then the full fuel on the perked 4. Sure you can take a spare tank but then you have to leave ords off.
Generally tho if the 4 was unperked you'd see far less use of the other corsair models. Personaly I consider an F4U-4 as a far more dangerous adversary then an LA-7 and far more deserving of being perked. But all the Corsairs are almost spooky with the great handling characteristics at very high speeds in dives. Ive gotten myself into trouble changing up from a Corsair to a P-38 to deliver ords and forgetting to change my dive profiles. Most of all in launching rockets. With the Corsairs you almost couldnt go to fast even if you try.
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Also, keep in mind...the F4U-4 and F4U-1D have the same ord loadout (2x 1000lb bombs, and 8 rockets) as a heavy load...and the F4U-4 is better than the F4U-1D in all aspects...
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Mossie beats the chog as a gun package.. In pretty much all aspects except maybe stability/agility of the gun platform, and most players rarely exploit them that much.
Ground attack might be more risky, but that risk is reduced about as much as the risk of dying because of the extra safety in superior performance the -4 gives you.
The F4U-1C is faster, rolls better, turns better, is less vulnerable to pilot wounds, has more ammo and carries a heavier warload than does the Mosquito.
Mosquito climbs better, is tougher and has centerline mounted guns.
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I was saying strictly from a gunning standpoint. I didn't think the mossie had less ammo than the chog. Centered 20mm's (and +4x303 to a certain degree) certainly reduces the amount of ammo used to kill, though.
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Im not saying unperk the Fu-4. But if it was unperked I'd still fly the D as my main ord dropper. They say the FU-4 has almost the same fuel duration with its built in tanks but it sure seems different to me. The full fuel option on the D seems to last a lot longer then the full fuel on the perked 4. Sure you can take a spare tank but then you have to leave ords off.
Generally tho if the 4 was unperked you'd see far less use of the other corsair models. Personaly I consider an F4U-4 as a far more dangerous adversary then an LA-7 and far more deserving of being perked. But all the Corsairs are almost spooky with the great handling characteristics at very high speeds in dives. Ive gotten myself into trouble changing up from a Corsair to a P-38 to deliver ords and forgetting to change my dive profiles. Most of all in launching rockets. With the Corsairs you almost couldnt go to fast even if you try.
What do you mean by dive profiles?
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What do you mean by dive profiles?
Dive speed and angles, since they both go together. Dive to much in a Corsair, and then forget to change up in a 38, and you'll find yourself with a dead stick and the ground coming up awfully fast. The Corsair loves speed much more then the P-38 does, tho I'd still rate the 38 as a fine dive bomber/rocket platform. You just have to pay attention to your speeds and angles more, and, use a dive brake.
Actually I rather love the D-Hog. Its my favorite corsair.
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Dive speed and angles, since they both go together. Dive to much in a Corsair, and then forget to change up in a 38, and you'll find yourself with a dead stick and the ground coming up awfully fast. The Corsair loves speed much more then the P-38 does, tho I'd still rate the 38 as a fine dive bomber/rocket platform. You just have to pay attention to your speeds and angles more, and, use a dive brake.
Actually I rather love the D-Hog. Its my favorite corsair.
Ohh, I see what your saying...Another thing you can try in the 38 is if your comming from high altitudes is skidding it with rudder, I use that alot in the P-38 while dive bombing.
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Ohh, I see what your saying...Another thing you can try in the 38 is if your comming from high altitudes is skidding it with rudder, I use that alot in the P-38 while dive bombing.
Yeah I use it as well, and it is helpful. The problem is with the P-38 is you can find yourself in trouble AFTER youve passed the point of being able to do anything about it. You can come in trimmed, not getting compression shudders, and still be going fast enough to dead stick without being able to pull out. This is actually even worse the shuddering cause with the vibrations they at least give you warning.
And Im not even calling the 38 a bad bombing platform. Its actually quite a good one. But you do have to handle it different then the other Yank platforms.
Actually these little differences they've written into the program, between airplanes, are variations that help make the game so cool. And the perked Corsair is just awesome in a high speed dive. All of them are actually.
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Note: If droping ords with a 38 use the L model. Srcub off speed before the drop, toggle off combat trim and engage dive recovery flaps. Use trim to help pull out if needed.
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Dive speed and angles, since they both go together. Dive to much in a Corsair, and then forget to change up in a 38, and you'll find yourself with a dead stick and the ground coming up awfully fast. The Corsair loves speed much more then the P-38 does, tho I'd still rate the 38 as a fine dive bomber/rocket platform. You just have to pay attention to your speeds and angles more, and, use a dive brake.
Actually I rather love the D-Hog. Its my favorite corsair.
D-Hog, C-Hog, and the -4 Hog are mine. Mainly cuz they can carry a real ord package.
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It is absolutly the best prop plane in the game, if not the best plane in the game. Even a Dhog can out turn a spixteen, in a couple of turns. the U4 can do circles around the Dhog so that will tell ou how good the U4 is..... :noid
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It is absolutly the best prop plane in the game, if not the best plane in the game. Even a Dhog can out turn a spixteen, in a couple of turns. the U4 can do circles around the Dhog so that will tell ou how good the U4 is..... :noid
Point the nose up and see what happens.
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This is a very good site comparing the F4U-4 to other aicraft of WW2.
http://home.att.net/~historyzone/F4U-4.html :aok
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Fastest American fighters...
P-47N: 476 mph at 30,000 feet with 25% fuel, short clip for ammo. 469 mph at 30,000 feet, 75% fuel, max ammo.
Maybe, but below 10K it's like a cow on ice and about as fast as one. :rolleyes: