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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: slipknot on June 16, 2008, 11:26:42 AM
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Been watching 24 on DVD. Just got done the first 4 seasons. Great show, obviously. Well written, entertaining, addictive. It's finction, of course, and tends to be repetative in its scare tactics, but it does raise some practical questions.
My official opinion is the Jack Bauer is pretty much the sort of guy we would need if this nation was faced with a catastrophy of genocidal proportions. Sure, he tortures people, but he gets results.
Anybody here think that his sort of tactics are less than acceptable in the real world? I'd like to hear your thoughts. Inevitably, this conversation (before it degrades to insults) will include many references to the 4th amendment. However, when viewed through the lens of national disaster, when, if ever, does 'doing what needs to be done' supercede the legislative intent of our main governing document?
No matter how committed you are to maintaining the integrity of the constitution, there has to be, and always is, a point where following our most sacred rules becomes absurdly impractical. Giving up a million lives just so that the civil rights of one almost certainly guilty man are not violated is the most basic example--but where is this point, and when, if ever, have we reached it?
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People who act outside of the law should not be expect to be protected by that law or to be immune from prosecution. That said, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
The law isn't always good, sometimes it's even evil.
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Sometimes?
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Sometimes?
I'd say that it's not sometimes, but usually either misguided in its intent, or completely defective in its application.
The government's main purpose should be to minimize its own hold over the populace--in other words, to balance the need for control with the natural desire for freedom of action, and to do everything possible to err on the side of freedom. Governments should do as little as humanly possible while maintaining peace and order, not as much as possible without precipitating civil revolt.
currently, I think our system is closer to causing revolt than doing as little as possible to maintain order.
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Laws like not committing murder, bearing false witness, etc... are good in any society or situation. Kidnapping and torture, against which there are laws, also which Jack seems to find necessary every season, aren't good. However, who here wouldn't find those justified to save a city, your city, from nuclear devastation?
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He's white, therefore oppressor.
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My current city or the old one?
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shades: idiots or nifty little cover stories?
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shades: idiots or nifty little cover stories?
Can't really be called shades when you have no other active accounts, now can it?
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I'll let you in on the board secret then Slipknot. 88 is actually a rather long winded and very successful shade of Ripsnort.
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People who act outside of the law should not be expect to be protected by that law or to be immune from prosecution. That said, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
The law isn't always good, sometimes it's even evil.
hhmm..the question was about a fictional character.....your reply would lead me to believe that you also then think The Shadow was wrong? it too was fiction, but the bad gus knew better than to mess with him :D
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hhmm..the question was about a fictional character.....your reply would lead me to believe that you also then think The Shadow was wrong? it too was fiction, but the bad gus knew better than to mess with him :D
The question was about a fictional character but it implicates situations that are at least possible, if not probable, given the current state of affairs. Jack Bauer only serves to put a face on the hypothetical. The question of how to treat hostile witnesses in times of crisis is anything but fictional.
I figured this would be obivous to most, CAP1... I guess I just didn't anticipate the CEO of Bubba Gump Shrimp to weigh in on the issue.
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The question was about a fictional character but it implicates situations that are at least possible, if not probable, given the current state of affairs. Jack Bauer only serves to put a face on the hypothetical. The question of how to treat hostile witnesses in times of crisis is anything but fictional.
I figured this would be obivous to most, CAP1... I guess I just didn't anticipate the CEO of Bubba Gump Shrimp to weigh in on the issue.
hey!!
i haven't made CEO yet!! :rofl
seriously...it was my attempt at wise arsedness......sorry.....
btw...hero if he's gettin the job done
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Can't really be called shades when you have no other active accounts, now can it?
should you called anything else when you hide behind a new identity while making an attack on another member of this board either.
show your face and you'll get the cred. otherwise, as far as i am concerned, you is a shade, which some might say is another word for a coward.
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oooooooooh
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should you called anything else when you hide behind a new identity while making an attack on another member of this board either.
show your face and you'll get the cred. otherwise, as far as i am concerned, you is a shade, which some might say is another word for a coward.
Word.
I admit being thrilled that I was the topic of his first post. One thing I've learned in life having started out as an adult with $100 in my pocket....the higher you climb the ladder, the more likely you'll have those at the bottom trying to pull you back down. It's a sign of success. :)
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should you called anything else when you hide behind a new identity while making an attack on another member of this board either.
show your face and you'll get the cred. otherwise, as far as i am concerned, you is a shade, which some might say is another word for a coward.
JB, if you think that your view of me is any concern, then you're really over-estimating your worth. I mocked Ripsnort, he took it like a good sport, joked back, and left it on good terms. Frankly, his method of dealing with it made the whole affair worthwhile.
The fact that you're acting like a hall monitor and chastising me on behalf of him and the rest of the members here--most of whom could care less about who I may or may not be--speaks more of your inadequacies than anything else. Impotent and overlooked in real life, you grasp at authority in this tiny corner of the electronic universe.
And Rip, I'm glad that you're proud of your achievements. You have every reason to be. Your comfort with who you are and what you've achieved is more important than any object you've acquired. People that start off with nothing and pull themselves into middle class status should be an inspiration to millions of Americans, so please don't take my mockery as negative. At worst, a poorly-executed roast.
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Jack Bauer--hero or oppressor?
Fictional actor.
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JB, if you think that your view of me is any concern, then you're really over-estimating your worth. I mocked Ripsnort, he took it like a good sport, joked back, and left it on good terms. Frankly, his method of dealing with it made the whole affair worthwhile.
The fact that you're acting like a hall monitor and chastising me on behalf of him and the rest of the members here--most of whom could care less about who I may or may not be--speaks more of your inadequacies than anything else. Impotent and overlooked in real life, you grasp at authority in this tiny corner of the electronic universe.
And Rip, I'm glad that you're proud of your achievements. You have every reason to be. Your comfort with who you are and what you've achieved is more important than any object you've acquired. People that start off with nothing and pull themselves into middle class status should be an inspiration to millions of Americans, so please don't take my mockery as negative. At worst, a poorly-executed roast.
i'm sorry, i can't understand a word that you are saying.
they are muffled by your weenie costume.
:aok
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I actually like the idea of a good Roast! Perhaps at the conventions!
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Slipknot sounds a bit like Airhead though I have no idea why he would need to wear shades. Did I miss Airhead getting banned?
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i'm sorry, i can't understand a word that you are saying.
they are muffled by your weenie costume.
:aok
Well, you can try to make a guess. I won't deny it if you get it right. PM me or do it here, I don't care. Openly advertising this information seems kind of silly/attention-whorish.
Otherwise you should probably try to deal with your smallness more directly and on your own time. You'll come to terms with it faster that way.
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"Otherwise you should probably try to deal with your smallness more directly and on your own time"
lolz.
a shade is a shade is a shade.
if you got PNG'd then you might have taken that as a hint in the first place.
if you didn't then you wouldn't need to come at it this way.
must suck.
have a nice day.
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A shade is a characteristic of an online identity, JB.
Being a yappy little chihuahua, on the other hand, transcends cyberspace.
I do wish you good luck in helping to moderate these boards, though.
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Of course Gscholz is due to make a reppearance, hmmm.
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I'll let you in on the board secret then Slipknot. 88 is actually a rather long winded and very successful shade of Ripsnort.
i'll take that as a compliment sir.
he's got distance on all of us.
;)
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JB, if you think that your view of me is any concern, then you're really over-estimating your worth. I mocked Ripsnort, he took it like a good sport, joked back, and left it on good terms. Frankly, his method of dealing with it made the whole affair worthwhile.
The fact that you're acting like a hall monitor and chastising me on behalf of him and the rest of the members here--most of whom could care less about who I may or may not be--speaks more of your inadequacies than anything else. Impotent and overlooked in real life, you grasp at authority in this tiny corner of the electronic universe.
And Rip, I'm glad that you're proud of your achievements. You have every reason to be. Your comfort with who you are and what you've achieved is more important than any object you've acquired. People that start off with nothing and pull themselves into middle class status should be an inspiration to millions of Americans, so please don't take my mockery as negative. At worst, a poorly-executed roast.
Hmmmmm this does have a certain slant to it that I may have seen before.
If it's the same person then............... :P
SOOOOOOOOO
Why bother :rofl
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A shade is a characteristic of an online identity, JB.
Being a yappy little chihuahua, on the other hand, transcends cyberspace.
I do wish you good luck in helping to moderate these boards, though.
seems to be that you have already been moderated.
ergo sum. whatever.