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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Shuckins on June 17, 2008, 12:28:01 PM
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Obama - 44%
McCain - 42%
A virtual dead heat. Obama hasn't, apparently, seen the kind of bump that was expected...from the democrats rallying behind him after Hillary dropped out.
Also, more Americans favor new drilling for oil in ANWAR and the continental shelf than oppose it.
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Also, more Americans favor new drilling for oil in ANWAR and the continental shelf than oppose it.
Interesting, where did you read this?
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Dont even bother with this poll stuff until the candidates appear on national debates and spell out, or do not, their positions on matters and why, or not. Until then, this stuff is all pure partisan.
Plus, after the screwing over H. Clinton got from the press you can expect McCain to get the same screwing over. I am already seeing the pro Obama anti McCain slant on everything from the local cable news to national radio.
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Well, was listening to one of the 24 hour news channels while I was painting the ceiling (Periwinkle Blue; Don't ask.) By the time I got down off the ladder, the wife had changed the channel, so I don't know where it came from.
Here is a link to the latest poll results. Several sources are cited: Most show the race is tightening up...some show McCain with a slight lead. Apparently, Obama isn't a shoe-in.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
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The Gallup site says 46-42 Obama, still pretty close.
http://www.gallup.com/
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I was painting the ceiling (Periwinkle Blue; Don't ask.)
Q: What's the difference between a prostitute, a nymphomaniac, and a blonde?
A: The prostitute says "Aren't you done yet?" The nympho says "Are you done already?" The blonde says "Blue...I think I'll paint the ceiling blue."
;)
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That's it!
If LA Lakers wins tonight against Boston Celtics at game 6, Obama will keep the lead.
If LA Lakers extend the NBA Finals to game 7 and win, Obama will win!
If LA loses tonight, McCain will win on November.
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Any polling now means next to nothing.
All these polls will fluctuate in the comming months.
Wait till Sept before the polls start having any real meaning
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Plus, after the screwing over H. Clinton got from the press you can expect McCain to get the same screwing over. I am already seeing the pro Obama anti McCain slant on everything from the local cable news to national radio.
Speaking of which.
I ran across this post a little while ago.
No idea how accurate it is or not.
And the opinions voiced are not my own.
Im just putting it up for your entertainment
"FACT SHEET: Military record of John Sidney McCain III
Both McCain III’s father and grandfather were Admirals in the United States Navy. His father
Admiral John S. ”Junior” McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe - later commander of American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war.
His grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.
McCain III, like his father and grandfather, also attended the United States Naval Academy.
McCain III finished near the bottom of his graduating class in 1958.
McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft
1 - Student pilot McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus
Christi Bay while practicing landings.
2 - Pilot McCain III lost another plane two years later while he was deployed in the
Mediterranean. ”Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines
which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the
son of an admiral.
3 - Pilot McCain III lost number three in 1965 when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. McCain III radioed, ”I’ve got a flameout” and ejected at one thousand feet. The plane crashed to the ground and
McCain III floated to a deserted beach.
4 - Combat pilot McCain III lost his fourth on July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk combat pilot. While waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.
5 - Combat pilot McCain III lost a fifth plane three months later (Oct. 26, 1967) during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam when he failed to avoid a surface-to-air missile. McCain III ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi. After being pulled from the lake by the North
Vietnamese, McCain III was bayoneted in his left foot and shoulder and struck by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.
1973 New York Daily News labeled POW McCain III a “PW Songbird”
On McCain III’s fourth day of being denied medical treatment, slapped, and threatened with death by the communist (they were demanding military information in exchange for medical treatment), McCain III broke and told his interrogator, ”O.K., I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.” U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain.It was then that the communist learned that McCain III’s father was Admiral John S. McCain, the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific. The Vietnamese rushed McCain III to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable for U.S. POWs.
By Nov. 9, 1967 (U.S. government documents) Hanoi press was quoting McCain III describing
his mission including the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the
order of which U.S. attacks would take place.
While in still in North Vietnam’s military hospital, McCain III gave an interview to prominent
French television reporter Francois Chalais for a series titled Life in Hanoi. Chalais’ interview with
McCain III was aired in Europe.
Vietnamese doctors operated on McCain’s Leg in early December, 1967.
Six weeks after he was shot down, McCain was taken from the hospital and delivered to a
U.S. POW camp,
In May of 1968, McCain III allowed himself to be interviewed by two North Vietnamese
generals at separate times.” May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
In August 1968, other POWs learned for the first time that John McCain III had been taken
prisoner.
On June 5, 1969, the New York Daily News reported in a article headlined Reds Say PW
Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral, “ . . . Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of
United States Commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having
bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since
being taken prisoner . . .” The Washington Post explained McCain III’s broadcast: “The English-
Language broadcast beamed at South Vietnam was one of a series using American prisoners. It
was in response to a plea by Defense Secretary Melvin S. Laird, May 19, that North Vietnam treat
prisoners according to the humanitarian standards set forth by the Geneva Convention.”
In 1970, McCain III agreed to an interview with Dr. Fernando Barral, a Spanish psychiatrist
who was living in Cuba at the time.
The meeting between Barral and McCain III (which was photographed by the Vietnamese)
took place away from the prison at the office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations in
Hanoi (declassified government document). During the meeting, POW McCain sipped coffee and
ate oranges and cakes with the Cuban.
While talking with Barral, McCain III further seriously violated the military Code of Conduct by
failing to evade answering questions ”to the utmost of his ability” when he, according government
documents, helped Barral by answering questions in Spanish, a language McCain had learned in
school. The interview was published in the in January 1970.
McCain III was released from North Vietnam March 15, 1973
In 1993, during one of his many trips back to Hanoi, McCain asked the Vietnamese not to
make public any records they hold pertaining to returned U.S. POWs. McCain III claims, that
while a POW, he tried to kill himself.
McCain III was awarded “medals for valor” equal to nearly a medal-and-a-half for each
hour he spent in combat
For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded
McCain III, the son of famous admirals, a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished
Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a
dozen service medals.
“McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat,” explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former
chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam
since the 1973 fall of Saigon.
“Since McCain got 28 medals,” Bell continued, “that equals to about a medal-and-a-half for
each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more
than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I’m sure
a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how
many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.”
For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and his collaborations with the enemy to become America’s POW-hero presidential candidate."
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Battered by ejection into 500 mph winds; both arms broken; a leg broken; nearly drowned in a lake; bayoneted twice; denied medical treatment for days.
Yep, I can see why he should have "toughed it out."
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“Since McCain got 28 medals,” Bell continued, “that equals to about a medal-and-a-half for
each hour he spent in combat.
... or about a medal for each 1500 hours being tortured.
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Gee dred.. You really love that osamabama guy don't you?
Was it the hoping for change thing or the changing the hope thing? Maybe just white guilt?
lazs
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Gee dred.. You really love that osamabama guy don't you?
Was it the hoping for change thing or the changing the hope thing? Maybe just white guilt?
lazs
Probably both. Dont drink the Koolaid.
Insert Drediock's very long cut and paste post from liberal blog here.
Sooooo, what qualifications does Osamabama have for being Commander in Chief. Certainly he has [sarcasm]MANY[/sarcasm] years of experience in political office, or maybe some sort of service to his country. Anything?
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For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media.
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thats the funniest line in there :rofl
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Obama is pulling away with a 15-point lead (http://www.newsweek.com/id/142465)
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Obama is not electible.
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Gee dred.. You really love that osamabama guy don't you?
Was it the hoping for change thing or the changing the hope thing? Maybe just white guilt?
lazs
Guess you missed this part of my post
and didnt bother reading what I was responding to
"And the opinions voiced are not my own.
Im just putting it up for your entertainment"
No I dont have any particular love for Obama.
But nor does McCain impress me either.
What he did and what happened in the war was what? 30+ years ago.
ZERO relevence to today.
I dont love Obama. and Im not rooting for Obama.
But whether I like it or not I think Obama is going to be elected.
The rest of the country is going ot elect him for the very reasons you accuse me of loving him for
I'm just saying it like I see it.
I declared myself a winner as soon as Hillary lost out.
That was my primary concern.
As for the other two.
Well I wish there were a way to vote against both of them. the old Geezer has been with one foot in the grave and the other on a bananna peel. Who is goingot give us just more of the same right wing BS
Or the young wannabie pretender who is goingot give us just more of the same left wing BS
Its like asking me which I would rather have dropped on my head. a 100lb Rock. or a 100 lb slab of concrete.
Either way Im pretty much screwed
I've said time and again I have no loyalty to any political party.
I just want the best person.
IMO NEITHER McCain or Obama is good enough to even be in the running for "best person."
The only positives I see in an Obama win is
1 No longer can blacks use the cop out excuse I am sooo sick of hearing "because Im black"
2 the left will finally stop whining
The down side to that will be the whining will be replaced by the whines from the right. which judging from what Im seeing here so far. Will be just as bad.
No matter who gets elected there wont be any significant change.
Whats going to change? Guns? Clinton couldnt do it in 8 years he was in.
Abortion? Bush couldnt do it in 8 years he was in.
The economy?
The economy is going to be the same no matter who is in
There isnt anything thats going to change in the next 4-8 years that wont be changed back 4-8 years afterwards
and nothing gets done by either side without atleast some help form the other side of the isle
Nothing significant anyway.
See it just doesnt matter
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That's it!
If LA Lakers wins tonight against Boston Celtics at game 6, Obama will keep the lead.
If LA Lakers extend the NBA Finals to game 7 and win, Obama will win!
If LA loses tonight, McCain will win on November.
Using this logic, and the outcome of game 6, it looks like McCain will win 80% to Obama's 20%.
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Using this logic, and the outcome of game 6, it looks like McCain will win 80% to Obama's 20%.
That's just to point out how hopeless it's going to be for Obama. Put Hillary as a VP and it will be a different story. Hillary's defectors will flock back to Obama.
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The news media can hand pick all the polls it wants in an attempt to depress the vote. Didn't work for Kerry, won't work for Obama. You need to make people from red states pull the lever for Obama. It ain't gonna happen.
The real interesting stat ( how much Obama overpolls compared to actual votes) never shows up in the propaganda media. Good luck in finding a figure. Like Popeye's Red Beans recipe, its a secret even on the net.
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dred.. what I see with osamabama is more supreme court judges like kennedy and ginsburg and an economy like jimmy carter.
I also see us with higher and higher oil prices and no exploration and no nuclear power plants. I also see the bloated and outdated school system staying intact with no chance for vouchers.
I also see an increased tax burden on the middle class of at least $2000 a year not counting "environmental fees" and sin taxes and health taxes.
I do see things getting much worse with him in. At this point in my life tho.. it will affect most of you a lot more than it will me. I will just move out a ways and let him pick over your bones.. by the time his policies have bled you dry and they come after me I will be dead.
lazs
lazs
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LOL mg.. a newsweek poll? why not just ask the head of the democratic party what he thinks the spread is?
lazs