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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: storch on June 19, 2008, 05:13:42 PM
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I have no desire to return to the AvA, I do however have a keen interest in some squad V squad fights. how about 4 of your guys against 4 of ours just for fun in the DA?
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Storch, there is no fun to have with, or against, you guys. So forgive me but, we are not interested.
You should read up on this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect), before we can engage in any type of serious conversation.
Have a good day Sir.
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:noid
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I didn't figure you would and respect has nothing to do with it, you know it and I know it but it's ok if you hide behind that excuse.
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it is my experience that most of the current crop of AvA players simply do not possess the skills to fight nor do they show the inclination to learn. they are content with having non fights and then heartily congratulating each other for their amazing speed and prowess in evading as they successfully drop from 20k to the ack. they will gladly drop from 20k to gang a single player if that player is sufficiently close to their ack and makes his presense announced. the preferred number seems to be between seven and twelve to one odds in their favor and even if you kill two thirds of them and die in ack chasing the other third they declare themselves the winner. I should post film it is hilariously funny but becomes old after three or four "fights". there is really nothing there that even remotely resembles "the battle of the aces". it is false advertising and should be changed to be more represenatative of the fact.
Quite self explanatory don't you think? You are not fooling anyone in here, but yourself.
END OF DISCUSSION
We do not negotiate with terrorists.
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Actually, I think that respect has a lot to do with it. Folks play the game to have a good time, and playing with/against folks you respect goes a long way to making the game enjoyable.
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lol you run vortex you run. nice spin though no substance but good print, all show no go.
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Actually, I think that respect has a lot to do with it. Folks play the game to have a good time, and playing with/against folks you respect goes a long way to making the game enjoyable.
respect is a two way street. in the case of JG11 and their prior iteration JG54 black crosses all we ever saw was a bunch of guys who run from ack face shoot you and run to ack. if they had numbers than it was a line astern series of face shots. if we use the game play (the only thing we really know about players) those types of players deserve no respect in my opinion. respect is something you earn not something you are entitled to. one might have the benefit of the doubt but that lasts up to and until the first encounter. I'll leave it at that.
with regard to respect and the squad v squad challenge in my opinion both squads know they will come up short. therein lies the real reason regardless of the window dressings. this is my opinion and I'm satisfied with JG11's capitulation. next.
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Gameplay is just one aspect, a person's forum/vox behaviour is more important. I've seen many "leet" guys/squads, who socially, are anything but. They think they should get respect, but they don't because of their behaviour. It's like those videos you see of kids ranting and raving on YouTube while playing a game. In their mind's eye they are "it", but in reality they're just am immature kid playing a computer game with no social skills.
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Sure if I can get three other guys to fly with me. If not I'll take you up on it by myself. One at a time or all four at once, doesn't matter to me.
Just name a date and time over the weekend. In fact I have tomorrow off. Your challange your call on the date and time. As long as it doesn't interfere with tomorrow nights FSO.
I happen to agree with vortex, you're really are no fun to fly with or against.
Win or lose you'll gain nothing until you grow up and act like an adult.
However giving you any reason to think you're feared just feeds the insanity.
So yes, let's get on with it. One thing we all need is another How great I am story form Storch!!
All this drama was of your making, so yes. Let's take the show to the final curtain.
I can hardly wait. :lol
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pick your guys and say when we can go PM from here
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Soon as I have them I'll let you know. I'll just post it here though. Just so theres no confusion, and none of your antics. I want everything out in the open.
When I get the guys, you set the time. This is your t**d you do the scheduling.
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you're the doctor
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Gameplay is just one aspect, a person's forum/vox behaviour is more important. I've seen many "leet" guys/squads, who socially, are anything but. They think they should get respect, but they don't because of their behaviour. It's like those videos you see of kids ranting and raving on YouTube while playing a game. In their mind's eye they are "it", but in reality they're just am immature kid playing a computer game with no social skills.
and then there are those who care neither for conformity nor convention, let alone hypocracy in a game? maybe there is enough of that in real life.
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you're the doctor
You quote that movie often, too bad you don't live up to the code of the guy you quoted.
You're actually more more of a Ike Clanton, all bully and Bulls**t.
See you and the rest of the Cowboys in the DA.
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You quote that movie often, too bad you don't live up to the code of the guy you quoted.
You're actually more more of a Ike Clanton, all bully and Bulls**t.
See you and the rest of the Cowboys in the DA.
c'mon at least let me be johnny tyler (billy bob thornton), anyone but ike clanton sheesh
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We've got a squad night tonight. and the AvA arena is all borked.
We could get this done this evening.
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might be fun if we could
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we'll be in the AVA at the top of the hour. I'll let you know how many we'll have.
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I'll be the MW
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Storch, there is no fun to have with, or against, you guys. So forgive me but, we are not interested.
You should read up on this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect), before we can engage in any type of serious conversation.
Have a good day Sir.
:rofl
Respect is built thru fair and open competition/confrontation, What better way to take the measure of a man.
Few (if any) have said it better then this...
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
As far as I'm concerned JG54 has made huge strides over the last few years. For all those who've "whined" {often with some merit IMO} here is a clear opportunity to meet these guys in "the arena" in a fair test of skill in a realistic more "AvA" style engagement and take their full measure :aok
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humble
I know the JG54 guys, I was a member of JG54 up til less than a year ago. Who are you to question me? Your post is irrelevant, and fail at discrediting me right about the time you say "fair and open competition/confrontation".
It is easy to criticize someone on the BBS, it's people you don't know, never have met, and probably never will meet. Respect is something that is lacking, completely, in your own post. So what do you know about it? Quoting someone is easy enough but it proves noting about yourself.
JG54 has some good sticks, really good, and most of the guys in JG54 aren't bad people, nothing of the sort. Still, a certain few are lacking vital social skills and common sense to maintain a good reputation and gain respect among those in this community who value honor, good conduct, respect for your opponent, skill and of course a good sense of humor. That is what completely ruin this squad named JG54.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
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as a professional boat captain, respect is earned, not a given. respectful engagements are fine but respect is only given when earned and aquired.
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There is a "hard deck" for what is called politeness, below that it's called disrespect. Something a few individuals of JG54 display more often than not.
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humble
I know the JG54 guys, I was a member of JG54 up til less than a year ago. Who are you to question me? Your post is irrelevant, and fail at discrediting me right about the time you say "fair and open competition/confrontation".
It is easy to criticize someone on the BBS, it's people you don't know, never have met, and probably never will meet. Respect is something that is lacking, completely, in your own post. So what do you know about it? Quoting someone is easy enough but it proves noting about yourself.
JG54 has some good sticks, really good, and most of the guys in JG54 aren't bad people, nothing of the sort. Still, a certain few are lacking vital social skills and common sense to maintain a good reputation and gain respect among those in this community who value honor, good conduct, respect for your opponent, skill and of course a good sense of humor. That is what completely ruin this squad named JG54.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
What I understand is that you have issues you cant rise above at this point in your life. I probably have a longer history with storch then just about anyone flying now. I'm also historically one of if not the greatest JG54 basher on the planet. When I made a breif swing back thru the AvA one of the 1st things I noticed was both an overall improvement in skills (a very significant one) and much better grasp of gameplay/sportsmanship. They would split up if the arena was imbalanced and I noted that they would let a one on one (vs a known/respected foe) go till completion.
Respect is earned and IMO at some point JG54 went from talking the talk to walking the walk....I can see your still in the talking stage of things. I'll put this to you another way, in spite of all my historical anomosity for all things JG54 they've earned my respect over the last year or so.
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No, it is obvious you do not get what I am saying. Or you wouldn't post what you just did. If you are trying to insult me as a person, I'm not the easiest person to get to. I've been through things that few people would live to talk about. You don't insult people for no good reason, like you and many others on these boards do. Insulting someone isn't going to give you the leverage to earn respect among others either. It's a con trick that may work on a BBS but not irl, and a severe case of self-deception trying to look cool. There is nothing mature whatsoever in insulting people, but then growing up is not for everyone either.
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No, it is obvious you do not get what I am saying. Or you wouldn't post what you just did. If you are trying to insult me as a person, I'm not the easiest person to get to. I've been through things that few people would live to talk about. You don't insult people for no good reason, like you and many others on these boards do. Insulting someone isn't going to give you the leverage to earn respect among others either. It's a con trick that may work on a BBS but not irl, and a severe case of self-deception trying to look cool. There is nothing mature whatsoever in insulting people, but then growing up is not for everyone either.
I'm responding to what you wrote. From my perspective your the one insulting people who dont agree with you. You go further by trying to make real life self validations and draw unrealistic conclusions about my motivations & character. As a general rule I'll give you a few pointers...
1) We all have real life "experiences", as a general rule those who have gone above and beyond dont feel the need to trivialize it...
2) "Respect" cant be faked or leveraged, its a coin others grant to you and you cant actually spend...only lose thru your own actions or inactions.
3) "Cool" is overrated and the refuge of those who have not been granted respect by others.
4) "growing up" is a never ending process.
Storch and I have been in multiple pissing contests since before most current AH players even heard of the game. He (and the other long time JG54 guys) have earned the right to gain my respect. That doesnt mean I agree with them or even "like" them...simply that I've reached the conclusion that I respect them (for now at least).
You had many options from not responding at all to saying something insightful to acting like someone pissed in your cheerios. Your coming across to me as a whiner. So the best and simplest advice I can give you is just to cowboy up...
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Hey now that's a good volley going on but the score is still Humble-2 and vortex-0... carry on!
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Lol omg I'm so through with this discussion. There is no reasoning with you guys. I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying, it's the way you say it. Have fun stroking your egos, I don't want anything to do with it.
Bottom line is, this is a game, and I really couldn't care less about what you may think of me. There are a few people in this game I consider my friends, who know me a little bit better and whose friendship and opinions I value. If you can't pay me any respect even on the level of being polite, well I should'nt even have to explain it to you.
And VWE, keep going you've really got the attitude of a winner! :aok
Goodbye!
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Don't go away mad vortex, your still #1 in my book!
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Lol omg I'm so through with this discussion. There is no reasoning with you guys. I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying, it's the way you say it. Have fun stroking your egos, I don't want anything to do with it.
Bottom line is, this is a game, and I really couldn't care less about what you may think of me. There are a few people in this game I consider my friends, who know me a little bit better and whose friendship and opinions I value. If you can't pay me any respect even on the level of being polite, well I should'nt even have to explain it to you.
And VWE, keep going you've really got the attitude of a winner! :aok
Goodbye!
I'm more then happy to debate or reason with you, and I dont have an opinion of you as much as an opinion/response to what you've written. My opinion of you is being shaped by your responses and interaction with me. What I'm finding is that the more I attempt to engage you in a meaningful discourse the more shallow and defensive you become. My attempts to respond in a thoughtful manner are a sign of respect. You seem to be acting under the assumption that agreeing with someone is "respectful" and disagreeing with them is "disrespectful". I'm a bit perplexed that you can agree with at least a portion of what I'm saying but apparently be insulted by how I'm saying it. Your further interjecting phrases like "stroking your ego's", would you kindly highlight or quote that portion of my replies for me? My intent was simply to state that I actually have a long history of interaction with JG54, going way back to the CT days of 2002?2003?. So for me to comment in what I consider to be a significant improvement in both skill and attitude is meaningful. For a long long time my vocalized thoughts were simple, "small fish, smaller pond". Its simply proper conduct to openly recognize the growth from that stage to one of being a worthy adversary, at this point JG54 can hold its own quite nicely in any pond they choose to swim in.
As for my interaction with you, it seems that if I choose to disagree with you that you make it personal. I'd guess this is what happened with JG54, its really all about you...not about "us"...
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The way I see it, this is all about you wanting a fight. I'm aware of that I might be wrong, but that's what it looks like from my perspective. Don't be upset if I don't feel like taking the time to read through your whole post. You would have to be dilusional to think that I would want to fight for your respect. Did you feel the fish slipping off the hook yet?
Now I have nothing more to say.
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Hmmmmmmm.....
So let me understand, you want "respect" but wont bother to actually read what the other guy says? You dont feel the requirement to work to earn respect but are upset if you dont have it? You cant be bothered but you responded again anyway....
Me thinks your conflicted....
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Hmmmmmmm.....
So let me understand, you want "respect" but wont bother to actually read what the other guy says? You dont feel the requirement to work to earn respect but are upset if you dont have it? You cant be bothered but you responded again anyway....
Me thinks your conflicted....
Humble , If you would allow me to interject a bit.
You do not know me nor I do you.
Putting it Simply .
If a Baby doesnt get his way he cries, And as aparent of that baby you need to let him cry til he realizes he is not
going to get his way .
Now since I have been here for 3 months or so I immediately was able to distingush the crybabies in the AVA arena. They were generally the people who thought they owed it and felt it was their own personal playground. As more and more people found the AVA idea to be favorable and as rules started to tighten, these people (babies) started to whine. Sorry it does not work this way, there are rules and most people follow these rules. When these people realize they cannot break the rules, they use their egos to try and chase people out of the arena by either bashing, put down and challenge you in a hostile manner until you do not want to come back. Unfortunately most of these individuals I have noticed come from the 54's.
No offense, just a newbie's observation and I have been more than one time under the attack from these people so I do have the experience.
Oceans11 :salute
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Soon as I have them I'll let you know. I'll just post it here though. Just so theres no confusion, and none of your antics. I want everything out in the open.
When I get the guys, you set the time. This is your t**d you do the scheduling.
Yo Bossman! I'm your huckleberry...
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Humble , If you would allow me to interject a bit.
You do not know me nor I do you.
Putting it Simply .
If a Baby doesnt get his way he cries, And as aparent of that baby you need to let him cry til he realizes he is not
going to get his way .
Now since I have been here for 3 months or so I immediately was able to distingush the crybabies in the AVA arena. They were generally the people who thought they owed it and felt it was their own personal playground. As more and more people found the AVA idea to be favorable and as rules started to tighten, these people (babies) started to whine. Sorry it does not work this way, there are rules and most people follow these rules. When these people realize they cannot break the rules, they use their egos to try and chase people out of the arena by either bashing, put down and challenge you in a hostile manner until you do not want to come back. Unfortunately most of these individuals I have noticed come from the 54's.
No offense, just a newbie's observation and I have been more than one time under the attack from these people so I do have the experience.
Oceans11 :salute
I dont disagree with that observation at all. Without doubt JG54 was and probably always will be an abbrasive bunch to interact with. However, my last go around in the AvA I found them to be a positive influence in the sense that they were very aware of side balance and flew and interacted well with those on there side.....even at the expense of other JG54 guys on the other side.
I know that the AvA has had and still has numerious issues to overcome. IMO the largest of these is the overall low skill level of the combatants and the poor overall concept of gameplay. The real 'historical arena" is FSO...period, Beyond that the snapshots etc.. I never had an issue with the trash talk, my "problem" was that as a single that always flew on the low #'d side if I ran into JG54 I invariably ran into ALL of JG54. To me they (and every other "CT squad") were nothing other then a bucnh of tardlets who ruined the CT way before it was the AvA. Now I still feel that for the most part all AvA squads are tardlets who are ruining the AvA....
So to me JG54 went from being the problem to just complaining about a problem they outgrew. Sadly they are now flying in an enviornment they've outgrown. That is not ment as an insult to you or a blanket condemnation of all the AvA squads or regulars. In fact a few of the 71 Squad guys are spendng some time in the AvA so "we" may pop in for a few sorties sometime soon.
I'm not trying to defend JG54 here, I was simply responding to the comments in the thread. From my perspective all JG54 is doing is complaining about what was till recently (in the long term sense) there own conduct IMO.
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I dont disagree with that observation at all. Without doubt JG54 was and probably always will be an abbrasive bunch to interact with. However, my last go around in the AvA I found them to be a positive influence in the sense that they were very aware of side balance and flew and interacted well with those on there side.....even at the expense of other JG54 guys on the other side.
I know that the AvA has had and still has numerious issues to overcome. IMO the largest of these is the overall low skill level of the combatants and the poor overall concept of gameplay. The real 'historical arena" is FSO...period, Beyond that the snapshots etc.. I never had an issue with the trash talk, my "problem" was that as a single that always flew on the low #'d side if I ran into JG54 I invariably ran into ALL of JG54. To me they (and every other "CT squad") were nothing other then a bucnh of tardlets who ruined the CT way before it was the AvA. Now I still feel that for the most part all AvA squads are tardlets who are ruining the AvA....
So to me JG54 went from being the problem to just complaining about a problem they outgrew. Sadly they are now flying in an enviornment they've outgrown. That is not ment as an insult to you or a blanket condemnation of all the AvA squads or regulars. In fact a few of the 71 Squad guys are spendng some time in the AvA so "we" may pop in for a few sorties sometime soon.
I'm not trying to defend JG54 here, I was simply responding to the comments in the thread. From my perspective all JG54 is doing is complaining about what was till recently (in the long term sense) there own conduct IMO.
I have to agree with everything you are saying.
I for one am one of those not so good as of yet flyer's. Hopefully with some time I will be good at this game.
That being said I would invite any of the 54 to invite a Noob to a dueling arena to help /he-she in training.
I under stand they want action but that can be gotten from any arena
I do not want to get an invite to blast me to death and to the point I do not ever want to come back.
I hope you understand.
I can give you examples in my profession.If you would like
In my profession I get phone calls from all around the world as far away as Japan .
Yes I am great at what I do.
But I have the let me help you get better at it attitude instead of the ALL mine go to hell attitude hope you die...
IMO if they (jg54) helped-teach it would be a positive spin in the entire AVA BOARD and hell make better pilots that maybe ,,,just maybe one day can give somebody a good fight and a :salute:::
TTY later
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:salute to shifty and company for taking on JG54. sorry i couldnt have been there. shifty, ill see you next time you shoot me down :)
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Yo Bossman! I'm your huckleberry...
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You're late Odee. :lol
Then again seeing how it went you might just call it good timing. ;)
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You're late Odee. :lol
Then again seeing how it went you might just call it good timing. ;)
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Roger that, sir. roger that
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