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Title: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Shifty on June 19, 2008, 09:37:40 PM
Three rounds 4v4

Round 1 49th P-38L JG-54 109K Winner JG-54

Round 2 49th P-38L JG54 109G14 Winner JG-54

Round 3 49th P-38L JG-54 109G6 Winner JG-54

Winner- JG-54
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Halo46 on June 19, 2008, 09:42:21 PM
To the Victor the Spoils! 1 official Brownie Button...

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm162/jonjdoe/4103206054.jpg)
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: storch on June 19, 2008, 09:43:18 PM
great fights thanks
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: VWE on June 19, 2008, 09:56:42 PM
Had fun, we should do those duels more often.
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Dichotomy on June 19, 2008, 10:21:44 PM
Props to Shifty for posting the results  :aok

Congrats to JG54  :salute



Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Motherland on June 19, 2008, 10:27:30 PM
I had fun as well <S> Storch and Tbarone.
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: storch on June 20, 2008, 06:47:40 AM
me too bubi fun stuff <S>
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: captain1ma on June 20, 2008, 07:56:45 AM
way to go guys, my heart was with you while im exiled to North carolina!!
deutchland uber alles!! :)
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: flatiron1 on June 20, 2008, 08:09:49 AM
where you at in the great State of North Carolina
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: captain1ma on June 20, 2008, 08:46:15 AM
hey flatiron, im in marshville, next to monroe
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Eagler on June 20, 2008, 09:34:59 AM
38's against 109's ..???
LOL
the 38s might as well have been goons

nothing like stacking the deck eh?

LOL
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Shifty on June 20, 2008, 09:43:12 AM
38's against 109's ..???
LOL
the 38s might as well have been goons

nothing like stacking the deck eh?

LOL

P-38s were the 49ths choice Eagler. That's our squad bird, we could have flown anything we wanted. It takes nothing away from the fact JG-54 won hands down.
Besides, it's not their skill that's ever been questioned or criticized.
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: 33Vortex on June 20, 2008, 10:21:36 AM
Besides, it's not their skill that's ever been questioned or criticized.

Exactly.

 :salute 49th
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: humble on June 20, 2008, 11:25:28 AM
38's against 109's ..???
LOL
the 38s might as well have been goons

nothing like stacking the deck eh?

LOL

I think the K4/G14 matchups favor the 109 but the 38s would match up well with the G6's IMO. In a 1 on 1 its a bigger mismatch but in a 4 on 4 the 38 has alot of advantages. It has better survivability for gas/oil/radiator hits as well as better "vision" in the event of an oil hit. It also has 2 vertical slabs and better punch....especially at longer ranges. In a 4 on 4 I can see a gaggle of cripples by the end with the 38 being a more survivable bird vs the 109.
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Eagler on June 20, 2008, 11:39:43 AM
my guess it that you started at equal alt .. being da and all
you lost before you started flying that barn against anyone with the slightest idea of how to fly the 109 .. and a few 54's have alittle more than just an idea :)
 I think even storch can kill a 38 in a 109 LOL

Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Guppy35 on June 20, 2008, 01:25:40 PM
49th in Js and Ls?

Shoulda taken the 38G :)

Fun to tangle with 109s in the old G
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: storch on June 20, 2008, 06:09:11 PM

Besides, it's not their skill that's ever been questioned or criticized.
I differ with you here.  my challenge was presented in response to stampf's left handed slight that I was posting stories about the general lameness in JG11's game play and your concurrance that they don't run to ack.  we have seen that at least your squadron will place it's money where it's mouth is.  with regard to the other squadron we now all can see that they will simply not step up to the plate.  in any event I'm satisfied with the latter result and have nothing further to add to this forum or the current game in the AvA.
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Motherland on June 20, 2008, 06:39:30 PM
I differ with you here.  my challenge was presented in response to stampf's left handed slight that I was posting stories about the general lameness in JG11's game play and your concurrance that they don't run to ack.  we have seen that at least your squadron will place it's money where it's mouth is.  with regard to the other squadron we now all can see that they will simply not step up to the plate.  in any event I'm satisfied with the latter result and have nothing further to add to this forum or the current game in the AvA.
Nobody in JG11 has ever questioned the pilot skill in JG54. I'm not sure where you got that from.
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Odee on June 20, 2008, 06:51:46 PM
my guess it that you started at equal alt .. being da and all
you lost before you started flying that barn against anyone with the slightest idea of how to fly the 109 .. and a few 54's have alittle more than just an idea :)
 I think even storch can kill a 38 in a 109 LOL


Care to try it against me with 6k alt advantage to the 38?
 :salute
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Shifty on June 20, 2008, 07:33:03 PM
I differ with you here.  my challenge was presented in response to stampf's left handed slight that I was posting stories about the general lameness in JG11's game play and your concurrance that they don't run to ack.  we have seen that at least your squadron will place it's money where it's mouth is.  with regard to the other squadron we now all can see that they will simply not step up to the plate.  in any event I'm satisfied with the latter result and have nothing further to add to this forum or the current game in the AvA.

Hmm seems to be a little meat left on the bone of this horse. I have never witnessed JG-11 run to the ack. I have seen them at 25K+, and I've seen them in the weeds. We had one high altitude engagement with them where nobody was shot down. That doesn't mean we were not fighting, most of us left the battle with holes and smoke. Just nobody got a clear clear, evidently there were some ditches.

Aside from that one engagement every time JG-11 and the 49th have met up people get shot down. It was rare that nobody got shot down in that one engagement so both sides left with a respectful Salute.  The fun we had in the fight  was also expressed on the boards. For some reason you think you need to take issue with it. This bothers you so much you 've mentioned it twice. Why? WTF do you care if people happen to be respectful of each other? I'm giving you my experience with JG-11. I've never seen them run to the ack. Just as in last nights duel. You accused one our pilots of running to the ack. When in fact all he was doing was trying to get some separation so he could engage and not get killed in the initial turn. You did admit you were mistaken however.

Storch you regularly insult and  talk about everybody's lameness in the arena. You mention it in almost every thread you participate in. You even mention it in the quote above. Then you fall all apart like a girl who soiled herself in class, because Stampf defends the reputation of his squad? You can dish it out but you can't take it. Stampf never said anything about JG54 being lame, he said your opinion of JG-11 is skewed and the things you were saying about them were incorrect. I happen to agree with him. Nobody insulted JG-54's flying, the complaints are about your behavior. Okay we responded to your challenge you got your victory, and everyone knows JG-54 clocked the 49th. That's not enough is it? You're going to keep beating this thing until you get what?? What's your agenda? You think you're going to run everyone out of the arena? That's not going to happen. Are you seeing who you can get pissed off so they'll possibly get a PNG? That's possible, I may have one waiting on me when Skuzzy gets back, but I wouldn't change anything I've posted. Or are you just so unhinged you cannot participate on this BBS, or in the arena without making yourself the center of attention no matter what it takes? Is it that important to you to be noticed? I hope you are dropping this, because it's not doing the arena or anybody else any good. I knew yesterday when you started posting it was going to be a long day.

Personally I don't blame JG-11 for not dueling you. I think it has very little to do with that they're afraid you'll beat them. I think it probably has more to do with them watching how desperate you get when you're ignored, and having a good laugh. Bottom line you're the one that started pissing on other peoples reputations, this drama, and acting so offended and blowing a statement out of proportion pointed back your direction... Sheesh grow up, and take responsibility for your own behavior..
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Dinan on June 20, 2008, 07:33:21 PM
Eagler will eat you alive.  :lol
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Motherland on June 20, 2008, 07:40:48 PM
Personally I don't blame JG-11 for not dueling you. I think it has very little to do with that they're afraid you'll beat them. I think it probably has more to do with them watching how desperate you get when you're ignored, and having a good laugh.
Dang shifty, it's like you're a psychic!  :lol
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Damionte on June 20, 2008, 07:58:48 PM
And to make sure we're clear I was that pilot running in the second engagement. I had already gotten two kills and was working on my third when I suddenly realized I was the only one in my squadron in the air. (I have not yet developed the Jedi like SA that some of you aces have.) I broke off my pursuit of the third fighter when I saw the 4th coming in and no more friendly help left.

I broke off blind and went for the deck. I didn't actually know what direction I was running in. I just knew I had 2 fighters behind me at just 1K and that I needed more space in order to turn around. So I went nose low and flew looking out the back of the plane pretty much the whole time trying to see if you guys would break off or stay on me hot.

Until my squadies called out over the radio that I was coming back towards our base I had no idea that I was. And even then we never came within view of the base. Left to my own devices I would have kept on going till I had like 2-3k of separation before re-engaging, but didn't want to keep everyone waiting on me. So I turned back early.
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: humble on June 20, 2008, 08:17:26 PM
I differ with you here.  my challenge was presented in response to stampf's left handed slight that I was posting stories about the general lameness in JG11's game play and your concurrance that they don't run to ack.  we have seen that at least your squadron will place it's money where it's mouth is.  with regard to the other squadron we now all can see that they will simply not step up to the plate.  in any event I'm satisfied with the latter result and have nothing further to add to this forum or the current game in the AvA.

Interesting,

I've never seen JG11 "run" and I know they've flown multiple squad on squad duels...so obviously we have "issues". Now when "we" fly 4 on 4 duels we fly both sides. So when we fly F4F-zeke or 109E vs spitI etc both groups fly both sides. We normally fly 3 or more "sets" to determine a winner...
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: captain1ma on June 20, 2008, 10:54:44 PM
 :salute to shifty and company!! great job, sorry i missed it.
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Odee on June 21, 2008, 12:25:21 AM
 :lol
Eagler will eat you alive.  :lol
Wasn't that way in the AvA a week or more ago.
 :salute
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: flatiron1 on June 21, 2008, 12:29:19 AM
In my opinion JG11 is the dominate AVA squad by far.
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Odee on June 21, 2008, 12:55:11 AM
In my opinion JG11 is the dominate AVA squad by far.
True that is Flatiron.  And if I might add, they are a class act Squad that are not only hard to beat, but good sports on those rare occassions that they lose a plane or two.

 :salute
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Shifty on June 21, 2008, 01:42:34 AM
:lol  Wasn't that way in the AvA a week or more ago.
 :salute

You must have caught him napping or in a pic Odee. Eagler is one tough 109 driver. If you get the duel with him, let me know I got dibs on your stuff. :D
Seriously I'd like to watch you two. :)
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Tango on June 21, 2008, 08:26:06 AM
Hmm seems to be a little meat left on the bone of this horse. I have never witnessed JG-11 run to the ack. I have seen them at 25K+, and I've seen them in the weeds. We had one high altitude engagement with them where nobody was shot down. That doesn't mean we were not fighting, most of us left the battle with holes and smoke. Just nobody got a clear clear, evidently there were some ditches.

Aside from that one engagement every time JG-11 and the 49th have met up people get shot down. It was rare that nobody got shot down in that one engagement so both sides left with a respectful Salute.  The fun we had in the fight  was also expressed on the boards. For some reason you think you need to take issue with it. This bothers you so much you 've mentioned it twice. Why? WTF do you care if people happen to be respectful of each other? I'm giving you my experience with JG-11. I've never seen them run to the ack. Just as in last nights duel. You accused one our pilots of running to the ack. When in fact all he was doing was trying to get some separation so he could engage and not get killed in the initial turn. You did admit you were mistaken however.

Storch you regularly insult and  talk about everybody's lameness in the arena. You mention it in almost every thread you participate in. You even mention it in the quote above. Then you fall all apart like a girl who soiled herself in class, because Stampf defends the reputation of his squad? You can dish it out but you can't take it. Stampf never said anything about JG54 being lame, he said your opinion of JG-11 is skewed and the things you were saying about them were incorrect. I happen to agree with him. Nobody insulted JG-54's flying, the complaints are about your behavior. Okay we responded to your challenge you got your victory, and everyone knows JG-54 clocked the 49th. That's not enough is it? You're going to keep beating this thing until you get what?? What's your agenda? You think you're going to run everyone out of the arena? That's not going to happen. Are you seeing who you can get pissed off so they'll possibly get a PNG? That's possible, I may have one waiting on me when Skuzzy gets back, but I wouldn't change anything I've posted. Or are you just so unhinged you cannot participate on this BBS, or in the arena without making yourself the center of attention no matter what it takes? Is it that important to you to be noticed? I hope you are dropping this, because it's not doing the arena or anybody else any good. I knew yesterday when you started posting it was going to be a long day.

Personally I don't blame JG-11 for not dueling you. I think it has very little to do with that they're afraid you'll beat them. I think it probably has more to do with them watching how desperate you get when you're ignored, and having a good laugh. Bottom line you're the one that started pissing on other peoples reputations, this drama, and acting so offended and blowing a statement out of proportion pointed back your direction... Sheesh grow up, and take responsibility for your own behavior..

Well said, Shifty. Too bad he won't read it.
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Eagler on June 21, 2008, 09:11:31 AM
when I'm online next, I'll try to find you odee ... you do the same <S>
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Odee on June 21, 2008, 09:47:48 AM
 :O never expected this so soon...
when I'm online next, I'll try to find you odee ... you do the same <S>
  :uhoh

uh...  You bet.  ;)

Any particular time I should be looking in my mirror?

 :salute

PS I, Captain Odee of the USAAF, 49th FG, 7th FS do hereby bequeath all my virtual positions to Shifty for proper disbursal upon news of my emminent demise in the forth coming battle...

 :cry
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Shifty on June 21, 2008, 10:00:14 AM
:O never expected this so soon...  :uhoh



PS I, Captain Odee of the USAAF, 49th FG, 7th FS do hereby bequeath all my virtual positions to Shifty for proper disbursal upon news of my emminent demise in the forth coming battle...

 :cry

I just want your booze and your watch. I'll leave the rest in a box in the ready room for the other fellas. :D
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Dichotomy on June 21, 2008, 11:05:50 AM
I just want your booze and your watch. I'll leave the rest in a box in the ready room for the other fellas. :D

dibs on his blowup shee.... um never mind :)
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Stampf on June 21, 2008, 11:50:26 AM
In my opinion JG11 is the dominate AVA squad by far.

Thanks Flat, it's really not about that though...

True that is Flatiron.  And if I might add, they are a class act Squad that are not only hard to beat, but good sports on those rare occassions that they lose a plane or two.

 :salute

That's what it is about!

Thanks gentlemen.  :salute
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: 33Vortex on June 21, 2008, 11:54:06 AM
Yeah, punch 'em in the stomach then kick 'em in the nuts!  :D

 :salute
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: VWE on June 21, 2008, 12:43:07 PM
See Rule #5
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: 33Vortex on June 21, 2008, 01:35:36 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3248/2368571351_145740c86d.jpg)

Would you like some sauce with that, Sir?
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Motherland on June 21, 2008, 02:26:36 PM
See Rule #5
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Guppy35 on June 21, 2008, 03:23:05 PM
What's this?  A little inter Axis rivalry brewing?  JG54 aren't the only lederhosen wearing pilots on the block anymore? :)

Might want to schedule a visit to the local beer hall to discuss tactics :aok
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Odee on June 21, 2008, 03:27:23 PM
Yeah, punch 'em in the stomach then kick 'em in the nuts!  :D

 :salute
AHA!  So that's how managed to get my cloaking device to activate while I was on your 6!  Why you....  :rofl

PS  Love the "chicken" reparte'   Class man.  Pure class  :cool:
 :salute
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: themaj on June 22, 2008, 07:02:03 AM
Flown with/against jg11 a few times...always fun. :aok
<S> Stampf & JG11
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: a4944 on June 23, 2008, 07:59:25 AM
What's this?  A little inter Axis rivalry brewing?  JG54 aren't the only lederhosen wearing pilots on the block anymore? :)

Might want to schedule a visit to the local beer hall to discuss tactics :aok

JG54 has been flying allied.  Whereas the target of some of their members ire was allies before, now it's squads or style of play on both sides.

Venom

Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: captain1ma on June 23, 2008, 09:24:04 PM
we're equal opportunity. we love everyone!  :)
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 27, 2008, 06:58:52 PM
Eagler will eat you alive.  :lol

LOL!  Good joke!


ack-ack
Title: Re: 49th/JG54 duel
Post by: Dinan on June 28, 2008, 03:38:25 AM
He'll take your bomber any day. LOL!