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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Apache on January 22, 2001, 03:50:00 PM
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Typhoon on auto level at 15k. Pilot hands off lighting a cigarette and taking a swig of coffee. Just prior to engaging auto pilot, typhoon pilot observes an enemy P51 in a dive on a friendly F6F. P51 is at typhoon's low 2 o'clock, diving away, at approx. 3200 yards. No other cons visible.
Typhoon pilot looks back up and sees in the windscreen an enemy P51 coming straight on, co-alt at 800 yards closing fast, wings in a 10-4 o'clock position and wings are winking. Typhoon recieves fatal damage and goes down.
Typhoon pilot had time enough to grab the stick and pull the trigger, hitting the P51 and killing it, but not receiving the kill. Typhoon pilot was killed first. Not enough time to even get out of auto. Typhoon pilot is accused of being a dweeb for an intentional HO.
[This message has been edited by Apache (edited 01-22-2001).]
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I conclude cigarettes are bad for your health ,both physically and virtually. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Had a situation once.. our base had enemies coming in at high alt and picking off fighters as they left. I got airborn and climbed to about 17k and noticed an inbound con. I was slow and still climbing when I saw the dot still slightly above me. I leveled some to pick up speed and got the plane over 200 IAS before starting to climb some more to meet the plane.
He was coming striaght at me from the time I could see his icon. I figured he'd be bringing in some speed so I wasn't going to try to dive away from him or I'd be caught. I waited for him to make his move... and waited... and waited. He continued flying right at me. At 1.1 I opend fire. He did likewise. We both went down and he was awarded credit for the kill.
It took two seconds for him to get me on private chat and tell me "I'M SICK AND TIRED OF ALL YOU HO DWEEBS!!!!".
AKDejaVu
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HO's happen. Tough crap if someone doesnt like it.
Despite what some guys seem to think, it takes 2 to HO. It just happens, intentional or not. What is an unfortunate and sad fact is that there are whiners out there. They have to blame every death on something or someone else.
Ignore anyone who whines about HO's, they usually aren't worth your time.
Dago
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Originally posted by Dago:
HO's happen. Tough crap if someone doesnt like it.
Despite what some guys seem to think, it takes 2 to HO. It just happens, intentional or not. What is an unfortunate and sad fact is that there are whiners out there. They have to blame every death on something or someone else.
Ignore anyone who whines about HO's, they usually aren't worth your time.
Dago
That's right Dago, both Apache and DjV asked for those head ons. Takes 2 every time, no exceptions right?
You're one of those HO dweebs that will dive from a 7000ft alt advantage to go HO aren't you? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Sounds to me that Apache and DjV ran into a couple of true HO dweebs. Those who dinnae even try any kinds of BFM/ACT are the true HO dweebs, and aren't to be feared. The ones to be feared are the ones who can pop you with a front quarter shot as they make thier lead turn or can get that front quarter snapshot at 100yds in a flat scissors. But, then again, they're HO dweebs too right? Even though they aren't shooting headon.
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Wow, I'm not used to seeing the accused dweeb making the post, usually it's the HO whiner that does it! This is a refreshing change.
Fury
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"I don't care how much time you have on the crapper"
-Voss
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That's right Dago, both Apache and DjV asked for those head ons. Takes 2 every time, no exceptions right?
Not trying to speak for Apache... it does take two. I never said it didn't. My replies to the guy weren't exactly polite, but the jist:
Whiner: You HO'd me
ME: screw you
Whiner: Why'd you say that?
Me: You flew straight at me for 5 miles, then call me a HO dweeb?
Whiner: You didn't turn!
Me: Neither did you
Whiner: You flew straight at me!
Me: So did you
Me: I guess the only difference is I didn't call you an HO dweeb.
Whiner: Well I'm tired of being HO'd
Me: Strange, I hardly ever get in them.
HO's happen. Anyone that claims they've escaped every one of them and have never pushed one are going to get a cynical look from me. What gets me is how many people will enter an HO engagement then blame the other guy. Its ALWAYS the other guys fault.
My favorites are the guys that are turning when you shoot them.. then scream you HO'd them. I can think of two names that come to mind. One prone to breaking too early.. the other prone to breaking too late. Both prone to getting on the comms and blaming you for it.
I have some great videos of it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Only wish I could still play them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
AKDejaVu
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BTW Cavey.. you are in more than a few of those videos. As a matter of fact.. you are in one of my favorites.
I'm diving in from above and behind. You wait until I'm about 1.1k back and try an immelman. You can't bring your nose around in time and as I fly under your now inverted spit, I rattle your plane with .50's. The whole thing comes apart.
That's when you decided to tell everyone about the HO dweeb f4 pilot that just shot you.
AKDejaVu
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I'll take the shot.. or not.. based on a huge number of factors; some beyond expression, present at the time the situation develops.
EXAMPLE: enemy A/C just happens to be comming towards me.. I've just left the BBS after reading another HO whine thread. I blow the guy into confetti... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
FACT: fly; and die. Only safe place is in bed; and even then.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hang
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A few days ago someone shot me down with an HO. He came over CH 1 and apoligized for the HO! I told him I didn't care and that HOs are part of the game.
I cannot believe people are still hung up on HOing. I tried that "I'm not gong to take the HO" peroid. I did this thinking I had good enough ACM skills to prevail. Well bullcocky! My ACM sucks and I will not go out of my way to avoid one. Well unless its against a C-Hog or N1K2. It is all situational!
Apache, being called a dweeb is someone venting frustration because they got beat. Plain and simple! Never take it past anything more than that!
I got called a dweeb because I was killing planes taking off (I had a FP right where they were spawning). Was what I was doing dweebish, maybe? But while some were calling me a dweeb and accused me of racking up my score, I was having a blast!! Laughing my butt off! My question was, "Who is dweeber, me or the people that keep trying to take off over and over again?"
I guess what I should of done was to agree to my dweebishness, apoligize, and go back to my tower. Will I do it next time? NOT!!
Kill the Basitages!!! HeHe!!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Oh! And for the person who type I was just racking up my score, you were right! My score surely did rack up!!! Thanks for the insight!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
BTW Cavey.. you are in more than a few of those videos. As a matter of fact.. you are in one of my favorites.
I'm diving in from above and behind. You wait until I'm about 1.1k back and try an immelman. You can't bring your nose around in time and as I fly under your now inverted spit, I rattle your plane with .50's. The whole thing comes apart.
That's when you decided to tell everyone about the HO dweeb f4 pilot that just shot you.
AKDejaVu
Yup, I remember that one. Was near 21 on the beta map wasn't it? Was prolly havin a bad night and AH wasn't as relaxing as I was hoping and you just happened to be the target of the steam vent (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Bah HO's are only worth the trouble when your roping. Any other time I have the trigger gaurd inplace (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Front quarter shots are a totally different story, but that nose to nose HO stuff is waaaay to easy to avoid to justify mutual damage.
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33rd FW www.33rd.org (http://www.33rd.org)
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HO tip #1:
When on course for a HO, attempt to intitiate HO pass while in an incline. This way when both planes collide, the enemy who was in a decline will hit the ground first, provided you do not get killed from the impact.
HO's are just another way to get a kill. I do it every opportunity I get, if it means a kill then tuff-titties to the whiner who failed to pull the trigger
fscott
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whats all this about HO's i have a ho every week end they r good for you as long as the girls dont charge to much.
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You're one of those HO dweebs that will dive from a 7000ft alt advantage to go HO aren't you?
Gee Cave, I dont know how you do it, but if a con or cons is 7000 feet below you and you want to engage them, I think you will have to dive down to them. Funny, when I have desended down to engage an enemy, many times they dont just sit still waiting for me to kill them. The rude turds will often turn to fight me. Now, of course I will work the E and try to get in a good position, but darned if they often dont keep turning towards me. Dont they know they are supposed to give me their tail to shoot at so I wont have to be an HO kinda guy? Or that trying to keep me in their guns then they are HO weenies?
HO's happen, and will be with us always.
Good players will of course try to avoid them, and go for the safer kill. If someone wants to avoid all HO's, they can choose to control the fight by always keeping in a position of superior E and never taking any risks.
Whiners on the other hand can be squelched.
Dago
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I just might make it my mission in AH to antagonize every dweeb I hear whine about HO's. How is it that no one seems to feel that whining about bein' headon'd kinda shows a certain lack of character (not to mention a bit stupid). I dunno. Continues to cornfuse me.
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Gritz
33rd Strike Group (http://www.33rd.org)
(http://www.deskmedia.com/~gritz/P38.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Gritz (edited 01-22-2001).]
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In ANY (REPEAT ANY) HO situation, it is always BOTH (REPEAT BOTH) pilot's fault. All this crap about squeaking about an HO is just pointing the finger at someone else to try to avoid blame yourself.
It is so f***ing stupid of a squeak I can't believe people here stoop to it but they do.
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Rape, pillage, then burn...
[This message has been edited by PakRat (edited 01-22-2001).]
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Swager,
That was me that apologized for the HO. I have no problems with HO attempts on me and I am usually able to avoid them. In our case I came out of a turn with 900 yards separating us (on my FE) and heading straight at each other. I judged that I lacked time to dodge, so I fired. Generally I try to avoid HOs with F4U-1Cs when I'm in a Zero (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif), but that time I won.
I only apologized to mollify any potential temper tantrum about to come my way. In the event, it was you and you didn't care about the HO. <S>
Basically, I take any shot the enemy gives me. I prefer it to be from a position where he cannot return fire, but that is not always possible. I also expect the enemy to take any shot I give him and if he gives less of a damn about return fire than I do, well, its my job to get out of his fire.
I remember one fight that I had where I was turning and every time I came around there was this N1K2 and we'd do a HO. After the 3rd or 4th go around I was awarded my 2nd kill. It turned out that I had be HOing TWO N1K2s in my Zero and I'd shot them both down. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Who says the Zero can't take a pounding? (Of course I was on fire from the 2nd HO on (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
People whine about HOs too much. They are usually easy to dodge.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 01-22-2001).]
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This HO stuff is just too funny. A lot of good points made above, but remember:
There is no such thing as a ho without a john. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It seems that there is a lot more "dweeb" chatter in Aces High than on WarBirds. Is that because there are more newer, younger, less sophiscated players here? This kind of stuff clutters up the buffer, but it is kinda entertaining while making a long, boring climb.
This is my definition of a dweeb:
Someone who kills me in an irritating style of flying in which I'm not accustomed.
Don't those dweebs know there is an established "protocol" to follow before dispatching the enemy? It is rude to spill the other pilot's tea by engaging him in a "distasteful" way. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I suppose the only answer to this problem is for High Tech to check on all future applicants "schooling" before he condescends to open AH account for them. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Regards,
Tom Bigelow , Borg
Rogue Gryffons
My Page: http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/borg999/aviation-1.html (http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/borg999/aviation-1.html)
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cavej hehe you sure love the f4c and niki this tour dont ya (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
hazed (stirring the pot)
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Heya, Pak!
I would agree with you entirely, except I know that delay can influence the outcome of what you 'see' coming at you. What you see is not always what the other guy sees, or has done. The only thing you can count on? If you, with a cannon plane, HO anybody they will yell "HO dweeb" at you.
I know a really nice guy online, that will go for HO everytime it is offered. Sometimes it kills him, often he ditches, and he seldom makes it to base afterwards. His opponent very seldom makes it out at all. I bet you know who I mean. He and I both share the same love for ol' Cavey. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I intend to "<S>" everyone that kills me, say "ouch!" when something really ticks me off, and ignore all these "armchair aces" that think they know something about anything. Being human I'll probably salute with the wrong finger, occasionally. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
See ya' in two weeks, or so. I'm waxin' up my pony so it makes nice shiney pictures! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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Hello...
My name is eskimo...
and I'm a HO dweeb.
Always have been, always will be.
No "group counseling will ever change me!
eskimo
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Anytime you die, it's your fault.
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Bingo Fatty. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Just as a side note, there have been a rash of Zekes trying to HO my Jug lately. Hahaha. I just want to say thanks for all the easy kills! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
The cries of "HO Dweeb!" are almost as good as the "You rammed me!" calls. LOL.
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
"A pig is a jolly companion, Boar, sow, barrow, or gilt --
A pig is a pal, who'll boost your morale, Though mountains may topple and tilt.
When they've blackballed, bamboozled, and burned you, When they've turned on you, Tory and Whig,
Though you may be thrown over by Tabby and Rover, You'll never go wrong with a pig, a pig,
You'll never go wrong with a pig!" -- Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"
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To answer the original question.....Apache, ofcourse (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cobra
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I think it's a trick question.
The only way ya can 'initiate' a head-on merge is if ya have the abilty to perform some kind of mind control. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Thus the reason I squelch channel 1.
I suck at Head on's...I sometimes whine about being HO'd, because, I suck at them...I *almost* always try for the merge advantage by NOT HO'ing, but sometimes die trying to avoid them, that's when I get pissed, but, its my problem (not good at HO because I don't take them often since I suck at them)...so just ignore me if I squeak about HO's.
Incidently, someone said "HO's are for those who have no skill or options left"...agree or disagree?
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Incidently, someone said "HO's are for those who have no skill or options left"...agree or disagree?
Disagree. The categories are too narrow... and I have not seen skill being any kind of qualifier for HOs.
AKDejaVu
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Uh Oh, Cobra & Nash have found me out. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)