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Title: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: BluKitty on June 23, 2008, 10:14:29 PM
Not sure if there is a gunsite forum I missed, so posted here.  Not really a bug since it's custom gunsight too.

Anyone ever seen a gunsight turn entirely white when then sun glare hits it at all?

My custom edited gunsight turns completely white with any sun glare at all.  I checked the outsides for artifacts, but maybe I missed something that is setting a highlight, that is not normally visable

Here is is anyway.  Does anyone have an idea as to why it might cause a white-out glare effect?
(http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2722/kittysiteox8.th.png) (http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kittysiteox8.png)
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: NoBaddy on June 23, 2008, 10:17:52 PM
Yep. It's a "feature". Really, its been like that since they started heavily modeling the gun sight glass and the armored glass in the forward view of some planes. At the same time, you can see the dash gauges become invisible because of "glare". Frankly, it's a little more realism that is needed.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: BluKitty on June 23, 2008, 10:21:28 PM
humm thought it was the gunsight.  It didn't occur to me it might be a feature.

Seems a little overdone, or were they known for outrageous glare IRL?  I never heard about it... I heard about pilots holding their hands and thumbs up to spot planes against the sun however.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: angelsandair on June 23, 2008, 10:24:35 PM
Not sure if there is a gunsite forum I missed, so posted here.  Not really a bug since it's custom gunsight too.

Anyone ever seen a gunsight turn entirely white when then sun glare hits it at all?

My custom edited gunsight turns completely white with any sun glare at all.  I checked the outsides for artifacts, but maybe I missed something that is setting a highlight, that is not normally visable

Here is is anyway.  Does anyone have an idea as to why it might cause a white-out glare effect?
(http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2722/kittysiteox8.th.png) (http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kittysiteox8.png)

Change the colour of it to bright green. That usually helps.  :aok
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: falcon23 on June 23, 2008, 10:26:58 PM
Not sure if this would fix your problem,but there are some gunsights which when pointed into the sun,do not glare,but act as if no sun is shining through them,and you can see a con just fine.

 Maybe find that gun-sight,transpose your line sights onto it,or draw them onto it and TADA!!!!
 A no-glare sight..

           just dont be pointing that thing at me,and if you get it accomplished I would love to add that sight into my folder.

                                                       Falcon23 :salute
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: mechanic on June 23, 2008, 10:46:26 PM
Not sure if this would fix your problem,but there are some gunsights which when pointed into the sun,do not glare,but act as if no sun is shining through them,and you can see a con just fine.

 Maybe find that gun-sight,transpose your line sights onto it,or draw them onto it and TADA!!!!
 A no-glare sight..

           just dont be pointing that thing at me,and if you get it accomplished I would love to add that sight into my folder.

                                                       Falcon23 :salute



are you saying that some people are using gunsites that cancel out the sun's glare? IE you could shoot directly into the sun and be able to see the con through the gunsite without blinding light?

that needs to be addressed if so, imo.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: moot on June 23, 2008, 11:09:45 PM
Some planes had tinted reticles for just that use...
And the hogs have their armored glass' polygon go completely white with glare when it looks like it shouldn't.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: mechanic on June 24, 2008, 12:08:54 AM
thats why i even posted moot, to ask if the quoted sentance was in relavence to certain aircraft or to a certain gunsite that can be loaded onto any aircraft, there is a big difference.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: Delirium on June 24, 2008, 01:13:29 AM
The sun glare on the armored screen is the biggest reason I won't fly P38Gs... once that sun hits it, you are Stevie Wonder looking for the enemy.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: Guppy35 on June 24, 2008, 01:20:09 AM
The sun glare on the armored screen is the biggest reason I won't fly P38Gs... once that sun hits it, you are Stevie Wonder looking for the enemy.

I hate the glare on the 38G armor glass too! :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Glare.jpg)
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: Husky01 on June 24, 2008, 02:10:52 AM
I hate the glare on the 38G armor glass too! :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Glare.jpg)

Guppy there is obviously somthing wrong with that screenshot, the P38 is still in one piece.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: moot on June 24, 2008, 04:53:57 AM
thats why i even posted moot, to ask if the quoted sentance was in relavence to certain aircraft or to a certain gunsite that can be loaded onto any aircraft, there is a big difference.
Looks like it's both.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: NoBaddy on June 24, 2008, 07:31:08 AM
The sun glare on the armored screen is the biggest reason I won't fly P38Gs... once that sun hits it, you are Stevie Wonder looking for the enemy.

Ditto....plus the fact that I suck in 38's.  :)
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: Saxman on June 24, 2008, 07:32:27 AM
Some planes had tinted reticles for just that use...
And the hogs have their armored glass' polygon go completely white with glare when it looks like it shouldn't.

I've never had this problem
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: BlauK on June 24, 2008, 03:22:16 PM
Guppy there is obviously somthing wrong with that screenshot, the P38 is still in one piece.

Don't you get it... it is floating backwards after a stall and a flat spin. It is only beginning to fall apart after that explosion  :O
You should see the next few frames ;)
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: moot on June 24, 2008, 05:53:34 PM
Sax look into the sun, the whole armored glass glares.  The glass canopy ahead of it doesnt (prolly just a coading simplification, obviously), and the armored glass only accounts for the player pov's heading relative to the sun, when it's actualy angled.. I could go test it, but I'm pretty sure peak glare ought to happen somewhere else than exactly pointing at the sun.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: NoBaddy on June 24, 2008, 06:01:14 PM
Sax look into the sun, the whole armored glass glares.  The glass canopy ahead of it doesnt (prolly just a coading simplification, obviously), and the armored glass only accounts for the player pov's heading relative to the sun, when it's actualy angled.. I could go test it, but I'm pretty sure peak glare ought to happen somewhere else than exactly pointing at the sun.

You also get it when the sun is behind you.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: moot on June 24, 2008, 06:12:43 PM
Really?  The same glare?
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: NoBaddy on June 24, 2008, 06:24:27 PM
Really?  The same glare?

Up with the sun kinda low on the horizon and fly away from it.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: moot on June 24, 2008, 06:54:26 PM
I couldn't reproduce it. There was a slight brightening but only just enough to notice it.  I only tried one plane, but I guess some models might have little enough in the way for sunlight to hit the front glass..
Here's what I meant in the F4Us: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3179/2608413601_f27649e264_o.png
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: NoBaddy on June 24, 2008, 08:23:32 PM
I couldn't reproduce it. There was a slight brightening but only just enough to notice it.

Into the sun, throught 109F gunsight.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/nobaddy/glare1.jpg)

Sun is behind me. As I dive, the glare washes out the gauges and the gunsight. This is usually only a problem when the sun is low on the horizon.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/nobaddy/glare3.jpg)

As often as not, it's like trying to fight from inside a dirty milk glass. Unfortunately, the Great High Putz of AH has a new 21" monitor and kick butt machine (yeah..I'm jealous :D).......convincing him that it's a problem hasn't been......easy. :)
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: BluKitty on June 24, 2008, 09:02:31 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3179/2608413601_f27649e264_o.png)

This is why I brought this up.  I thought it was something to do with my gunsight but I think I started using this gunsight version right after a new AH version, so maybe that was it.

Does this seem a little over done to anyone?  Maybe HTC did it to not allow gamma tweaking, that might let someone see through normal sun glare or something... It just seems over done to me, and looks more like a bug than an effect.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: moot on June 24, 2008, 11:30:18 PM
Yep I have no concrete evidence, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't glare at that angle.

NB - It's really not a problem at that degree, on the second shot you posted :)
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: Husky01 on June 24, 2008, 11:31:45 PM
Don't you get it... it is floating backwards after a stall and a flat spin. It is only beginning to fall apart after that explosion  :O
You should see the next few frames ;)

Aaa that would make much more sense!
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: mechanic on June 25, 2008, 12:47:37 AM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3179/2608413601_f27649e264_o.png)


kitty whats your in-game gamma set too? that looks really bright. what angle is the sun coming from there? i cant even make it out.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: moot on June 25, 2008, 01:04:00 AM
That's a shot from my pc, and I'm pretty sure my gamma is whatever the default is..  I haven't touched the gfx card's settings either.  The sun is just off to the left of the top left corner of the armored glass, just under the left 1/3 of the canopy arch.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: mechanic on June 25, 2008, 01:25:28 AM
me confused. ok so thats your pic moot, it just looks really bright. i play on a laptop at the moment and i have to actualy turn the gamma down in game as it runs very bright for some reason. What about the gunsite alpha slider? was that mentioned yet?
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: moot on June 25, 2008, 01:52:36 AM
The gunsight alpha only works on a small part of that armor glass.. It's about as big as the rest of the planes' gunsight area.  Gotta ask Blukitty whether it fixes her problem, but from what she said it looks like she means the glare on the whole glass plate.
As far as I know, in the game, that glass plate is treated the same way (glare etc) as any regular gunsight because it's actualy a large gunsight object with a reduced area where the gunsight.bmp shows up.  If so, it'd need some exceptional coad added.
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: Saxman on June 25, 2008, 07:24:21 AM
As far as I know, in the game, that glass plate is treated the same way (glare etc) as any regular gunsight because it's actualy a large gunsight object with a reduced area where the gunsight.bmp shows up.  If so, it'd need some exceptional coad added.

Yeah....Like making the gunsight.bmp fill the entire area down to the top of the cowling, as it did in the historical F4U....

Two birds with one stone, y'know?
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: NoBaddy on June 25, 2008, 07:42:52 AM
NB - It's really not a problem at that degree, on the second shot you posted :)

Perhaps not for you. For me...it seems I am invariably trying to shoot some wiener running away at precicely that angle and having to guess where to shoot. BTW, to get that glare, the sun has to be shining through the bottom of the plane. :)
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: Simaril on June 25, 2008, 08:12:09 AM
Guppy there is obviously somthing wrong with that screenshot, the P38 is still in one piece.

BearKats, you're reading the situation wrong. The P-38 you see is the attacker. The explosion marks where Guppy's plane USED to be! 


<g>
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: moot on June 25, 2008, 08:35:14 AM
Yeah....Like making the gunsight.bmp fill the entire area down to the top of the cowling, as it did in the historical F4U....

Two birds with one stone, y'know?
Hey, why not?! :)
Perhaps not for you. For me...it seems I am invariably trying to shoot some wiener running away at precicely that angle and having to guess where to shoot. BTW, to get that glare, the sun has to be shining through the bottom of the plane. :)
I can't get the sun to glare the gunsight from 6-oclock so bad that it interferes with the gunsight.. You should post in the bugs forum, because on my end it's really a very small effect :)
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: NoBaddy on June 25, 2008, 02:12:09 PM
Hey, why not?! :)I can't get the sun to glare the gunsight from 6-oclock so bad that it interferes with the gunsight.. You should post in the bugs forum, because on my end it's really a very small effect :)

Nah....I will just bring a Louisville Slugger as a gift for HT at the con.  :devil
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: Husky01 on June 25, 2008, 02:13:51 PM
BearKats, you're reading the situation wrong. The P-38 you see is the attacker. The explosion marks where Guppy's plane USED to be! 


<g>

Aaa well now everything makes perfect sense!
Title: Re: Gunsight goes completely white with any sunlight
Post by: Messiah on June 25, 2008, 10:21:41 PM
You still need gunsights? PFFT NOOB!