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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ZetaNine on June 24, 2008, 08:54:50 AM
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reason #245 why you simply cannot negotiate with these people....they cannot even control themselves...
JERUSALEM - Police say three Palestinian rockets have hit southern Israel and Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office says the cease-fire that took effect last week has been broken.
Islamic Jihad militants in the Gaza Strip says they carried out the attack to avenge an Israeli military raid that killed one of their fighters in the West Bank early Tuesday.
Israel's national rescue service says two people were lightly wounded in the rocket barrage.
The West Bank is not formally part of the truce. But Islamic Jihad says it "cannot keep its hands tied" when its "brothers" in the West Bank are being targeted.
However, the Gaza Strip's ruling Hamas group says it remains committed to the truce.
Israeli troops killed two Palestinians in the West Bank raid.
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And when the Israelis respond with a gunship attack, the whole world will scream bloody murder.
Those poor, poor, noble arabs. They just can't get a fair shake in this cruel world.
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That's what happens when you deal with people that have no honor..... :mad:
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I recently watched a movie called "Death in Gaza". It is a documentary film made a few years ago. All I have to say is God Bless America, the cluster**** they have going on over there will never end. Pretty sad when you have 9 year old boys who are lining up to be martyrs and no shortage of adults willing to strap explosives on them and send them to their deaths. Disgusting.
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Anyone who thought this truce would last more than a week probably thought Michael Jackson's marriage to that Presley girl would last forever.
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Anyone who thought this truce would last more than a week probably thought Michael Jackson's marriage to that Presley girl would last forever.
they divorced?
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The arabs play a game that Israel cannot, and that is the game of public relations. They can always strike from a position of inferiority, they can always make themselves out to be the down-trodden, the weak, the innocent fighting off the well-equipped aggressor--even when they sneak around and initiate the fighting. Israel must either take it and do nothing, or fight back and face criticism. A few photos of Palestinian shanty-towns and you get hordes of neo-hippies singing cumbaya for the poor little suicide bombers.
It's the same game the US plays, and with the same outcome. If it wasn't for the United European/Scandinavian Emirates pointing their collective finger and screaming Zionist, or the hordes of Northern Californian Armpit-braiders with their Israel = Hitler bumper stickers, this habit of grasping at global sympathy would have been silenced long ago.
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they divorced?
I know, shocking right? I couldn't figure out if it was the young boys...or the young boys.
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or the hordes of Northern Californian Armpit-braiders with their Israel = Hitler bumper stickers
LOL
I've never seen these bumper stickers, but don't doubt their existence.
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Oh dont be naive.
This was Israel's plan all along, it was blatantly obvious the Palestinians wouldnt be able to control every faction concerned and the ceasefire would be broken. Now the Israeli's will whinge and moan at Egypt in an attempt to get the Egpytians to actually do something about the arms smuggling.
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Yeah.. those sneaky Israelis. Faking like they really wanted a truce just so they could get some pity press.
That has to be it. :rolleyes:
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Yeah.. those sneaky Israelis. Faking like they really wanted a truce just so they could get some pity press.
That has to be it. :rolleyes:
Even if they did fake it, given the level of success negotiating with the arabs has brought in the past, I wouldn't blame them a bit. There comes a time when it's justifiable to use your enemy's completely reliable dependance on treachery to forward your own goals.
At the end of the day, it's still the Arabs who fired the first shots. Had they not, this truce would have fulfilled its function directly.
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reason #245 why you simply cannot negotiate with these people....they cannot even control themselves...
Islamic Jihad militants in the Gaza Strip says they carried out the attack to avenge an Israeli military raid that killed one of their fighters in the West Bank early Tuesday.
Who broke the truce exactly?
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Even if they did fake it, given the level of success negotiating with the arabs has brought in the past, I wouldn't blame them a bit.
Israel has negotiated peace agreements with two of its neighbours, Egypt in 1979 and Jordan in 1994. Both agreements have held.
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Who broke the truce exactly?
it's "exactly" stipulated in the article....please read the part you intentionally omitted. thanks.
The West Bank is not formally part of the truce.
then again........perhaps that misconstruing the agreement is par for the course for these people... who collectively ... and by choice....have not offered an education to thier own people for the last three generations. they prefer to teach hate and bomb making 101 to their children...from the crib. this is what corrupt leaders bring........
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Sorry, reading what you posted it says Israel carried out a raid in the West Bank, killing two Palestinians, one of them an Islamic Jihad member. Islamic Jihad then retaliated by firing 3 rockets in to Israel.
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The West Bank is not formally part of the truce.
OK, I get it. The truce doesn't involve the West Bank. Of course, it doesn't involve Islamic Jihad either, if we're being pedantic. So the truce hasn't been broken at all, despite two people being killed on one side and 3 rockets fired at the other side.
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Israel has negotiated peace agreements with two of its neighbours, Egypt in 1979 and Jordan in 1994. Both agreements have held.
I thought we negotiated those deals.......hmmmm
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Northern Californian Armpit-braiders
I LoL'd at that. :lol
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Israel has negotiated peace agreements with two of its neighbours, Egypt in 1979 and Jordan in 1994. Both agreements have held.
Two very notable exceptions. Both of these exceptions are with established nation-states. Negotiating with any of the various terror groups (PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, ad naseum) hasn't gone nearly as well. But.....you knew that.....
Interesting to note that the Egyptian president Anwar Sadat was assassinated at least in part because of the peace treaty he signed with Israel.
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reason #245 why you simply cannot negotiate with these people....they cannot even control themselves...
JERUSALEM - Police say three Palestinian rockets have hit southern Israel and Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office says the cease-fire that took effect last week has been broken.
Islamic Jihad militants in the Gaza Strip says they carried out the attack to avenge an Israeli military raid that killed one of their fighters in the West Bank early Tuesday.
Israel's national rescue service says two people were lightly wounded in the rocket barrage.
The West Bank is not formally part of the truce. But Islamic Jihad says it "cannot keep its hands tied" when its "brothers" in the West Bank are being targeted.
However, the Gaza Strip's ruling Hamas group says it remains committed to the truce.
Israeli troops killed two Palestinians in the West Bank raid.
Question for you..
How long would it take for you to get over it, if some foreign govt took you your family and everyone in your city and kicked them out of their houses. They just picked you up and kicked everyone out, giving you no money for your property or anywhere to go. Just so they could let new people move in and start a new city with a new name?
Would you just walk away and do nothing? Would you not still hold a grudge against those people 50 years later? Well that's the root of the problem with the Israeli's and the Palestinians. How exactly would you suggest they fix it?
The simple fact is both sides are to blame for the current problems.
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Well, Crockett, I distinctly recall reading somewhere about an incident in Europe just under 7 decades ago involving the mass slaughter of the same people that now occupy Israel. Homes were taken, families torn apart, murdered, tossed into mass graves.
Millions of them that I bet would have preferred living in corroguted crates to being shot, gassed, hung and incinerated.
When was the last time a Jewish kid strapped some explosives to his chest and blew up a German Cafe? Or is their pain any less significant, or relevant, than what the Palestinians had to deal with?
The Arab world uses Palestine as a convenient leverage point. They supply everything the Palestinians need to continue their suicide bombings, and yet, for all their oil money, I'm not seeing a whole lot of financial and infrastructural support.
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Well, Crockett, I distinctly recall reading somewhere about an incident in Europe just under 7 decades ago involving the mass slaughter of the same people that now occupy Israel. Homes were taken, families torn apart, murdered, tossed into mass graves.
Millions of them that I bet would have preferred living in corroguted crates to being shot, gassed, hung and incinerated.
When was the last time a Jewish kid strapped some explosives to his chest and blew up a German Cafe? Or is their pain any less significant, or relevant, than what the Palestinians had to deal with?
The Arab world uses Palestine as a convenient leverage point. They supply everything the Palestinians need to continue their suicide bombings, and yet, for all their oil money, I'm not seeing a whole lot of financial and infrastructural support.
That never happened, pick up an Iranian history book and see for yourself.
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Two very notable exceptions. Both of these exceptions are with established nation-states. Negotiating with any of the various terror groups (PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, ad naseum) hasn't gone nearly as well.
Israel has never negotiated a final status agreement with any of the terrorist groups it faces. Even the deals with the PLO were always interim deals with the main objectives put off to some point in the future.
Interesting to note that the Egyptian president Anwar Sadat was assassinated at least in part because of the peace treaty he signed with Israel.
And Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated entirely because of the deal he signed with the PLO.
Well, Crockett, I distinctly recall reading somewhere about an incident in Europe just under 7 decades ago involving the mass slaughter of the same people that now occupy Israel. Homes were taken, families torn apart, murdered, tossed into mass graves.
Millions of them that I bet would have preferred living in corroguted crates to being shot, gassed, hung and incinerated.
When was the last time a Jewish kid strapped some explosives to his chest and blew up a German Cafe? Or is their pain any less significant, or relevant, than what the Palestinians had to deal with?
The difference is the Palestinians are still having to deal with it. They are still under military occupation, still having their land expropriated for Jewish settlement.
The Palestinians who Israel granted citizenship to, who do not live under those conditions, don't take part in terrorism.
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Anyone who thought this truce would last more than a week probably thought Michael Jackson's marriage to that Presley girl would last forever.
What truce was broken? The truce was between Hamas and the Isaelis and Hamas didn't fire those rockets, Islamic Jihad did. As far as I can tell, the truce between Hamas and Israel is still intact.
I also don't think Hamas will break their truce in support of Islamic Jihad since they are bitter rivals and both groups repeatedly clash. In fact, Islamic Jihad is a splinter group of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, a group founded by Bin-laden's right hand man Ayman al-Zawahiri and preaches the same perverted form if Islam that Al-Queda does. Islamic Jihad is also funded by Hezbollah and by some reports directly from Iran as well.
ack-ack
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Are you ready to Rumble....?
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The difference is the Palestinians are still having to deal with it. They are still under military occupation, still having their land expropriated for Jewish settlement.
The Palestinians who Israel granted citizenship to, who do not live under those conditions, don't take part in terrorism.
I suppose you're right. Suicide bombing must be the only solution.
Good thing that anti-semitism is a thing of the past, however. God only know what the jews would do to Europe if they were still living with any sort of threat of oppression and/or persecution.
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Well, Crockett, I distinctly recall reading somewhere about an incident in Europe just under 7 decades ago involving the mass slaughter of the same people that now occupy Israel. Homes were taken, families torn apart, murdered, tossed into mass graves.
Millions of them that I bet would have preferred living in corroguted crates to being shot, gassed, hung and incinerated.
When was the last time a Jewish kid strapped some explosives to his chest and blew up a German Cafe? Or is their pain any less significant, or relevant, than what the Palestinians had to deal with?
The Arab world uses Palestine as a convenient leverage point. They supply everything the Palestinians need to continue their suicide bombings, and yet, for all their oil money, I'm not seeing a whole lot of financial and infrastructural support.
There was an end to the war for the Jewish people after ww2. The Germans in charge were tried in courts of law, Jewish people to this day still hunt down wanted Nazi party members. So in short while things happened that were tragic the war was over so to speak and that's when the state of Israel was formed. So they were given a homeland.
At the same time the Palestine's homeland was taken from them and nothing was done for them to give them a end to their war. Hence the reason they are still fighting 50 years later.
I really have nothing against either party in the matter as I see it both sides share equal in the blame of what's happening now. I just get sick of always seeing this matter blamed entirely on the Palestinians, when in reality they are only doing the same thing anyone of you would do if you were put in their situation.
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Yes, I do sympathize with anybody whose home is taken away but no, I do not think that ritualized terrorism--especially the kind that recruits children--is what anybody would do in that situation. Many groups have been displaced throughout history.
The Palestinian situation should be the shame of the arab world. Instead, they are propped up like some sort of morbid sacrificial lamb. Supported through rhetoric, they are nevertheless given no real help except to carry forward this ongoing campaign.
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Be carefull what you post in here--this isn't the NY Times.
All it takes is one person complaining....
ROX
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Question for you..
How long would it take for you to get over it, if some foreign govt took you your family and everyone in your city and kicked them out of their houses. They just picked you up and kicked everyone out, giving you no money for your property or anywhere to go. Just so they could let new people move in and start a new city with a new name?
ask the american indian
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How long would it take for you to get over it, if some foreign govt took you your family and everyone in your city and kicked them out of their houses. They just picked you up and kicked everyone out, giving you no money for your property or anywhere to go. Just so they could let new people move in and start a new city with a new name?
Would you just walk away and do nothing? Would you not still hold a grudge against those people 50 years later? Well that's the root of the problem with the Israeli's and the Palestinians. How exactly would you suggest they fix it?
The simple fact is both sides are to blame for the current problems.
Errrr IIRC the Israeli's brought the dry barren land of the few poor Arabs (NOT palestinians) that lived there that 50 years or more ago. You know, paid them for it.
Stop listening to the lesbian propaganda crockett.
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What truce was broken? The truce was between Hamas and the Isaelis and Hamas didn't fire those rockets, Islamic Jihad did. As far as I can tell, the truce between Hamas and Israel is still intact.
I also don't think Hamas will break their truce in support of Islamic Jihad since they are bitter rivals and both groups repeatedly clash. In fact, Islamic Jihad is a splinter group of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, a group founded by Bin-laden's right hand man Ayman al-Zawahiri and preaches the same perverted form if Islam that Al-Queda does. Islamic Jihad is also funded by Hezbollah and by some reports directly from Iran as well.
ack-ack
Hamas IS the government there, and what goes on has their tacit blessing.
(Question: Why, in discussions such as these, do conservatives invariably side with Israel, and Liberals invariably side with the Palestinian bus-blower-uppers-and-rocket/mortar-launchers at pizzerias?)
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Errrr IIRC the Israeli's brought the dry barren land of the few poor Arabs (NOT palestinians) that lived there that 50 years or more ago. You know, paid them for it.
At the time of partition in 1947, Jews owned about 7 - 8% of the land of Israel/Palestine. Arabs privately owned 20%+, and the rest was public land. The population was split about 1.2 million Arabs, 0.6 million Jews.
but no, I do not think that ritualized terrorism--especially the kind that recruits children--is what anybody would do in that situation.
The youngest Palestinian suicide bomber was 16. The Israeli security forces have killed 531 Palestinians aged 15 or younger since 2000, including 113 under the age of 10. In the same period Palestinian terrorists have killed 56 Israelis under the age of 16, including 25 under the age of 10.
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I'm tired already of this tit fortat nonsensical policies both sides seem to have.
Each has to be the one to get the last shot in.
In this whole affair its like two kids fighting over a ball.
Ad what do you do with two children fighting over a ball?
Why you take the ball away
I still say the best way to take care of this whole situation is to Nuke the entire area.
Wipe it clean off the map.
turn it into a sheet of glass. usless and uninhabitable for anyone
There, now nobody has it.
The biggest mistake made was recreating Israel in the so called "holy lands"
It was only asking for trouble right form the start.
Shoulda shipped em all to and recreated An Israel state in Jamaica.
Then everyone would be too stoned to fight each other
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At the time of partition in 1947, Jews owned about 7 - 8% of the land of Israel/Palestine. Arabs privately owned 20%+, and the rest was public land. The population was split about 1.2 million Arabs, 0.6 million Jews.
The figure's I've seen say 12% before the 1930's, and the 'arabs' that owned the land were not the ones living on it.
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At the time of partition in 1947, Jews owned about 7 - 8% of the land of Israel/Palestine. Arabs privately owned 20%+, and the rest was public land. The population was split about 1.2 million Arabs, 0.6 million Jews.
The youngest Palestinian suicide bomber was 16. The Israeli security forces have killed 531 Palestinians aged 15 or younger since 2000, including 113 under the age of 10. In the same period Palestinian terrorists have killed 56 Israelis under the age of 16, including 25 under the age of 10.
Looks like the israelis are better at it
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israel was set up by the UN........and for some odd reason......we are the ones left defending it.... figures.
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israel was set up by the UN........and for some odd reason......we are the ones left defending it.... figures.
Well to be fair, we aren't really defending them they do a pretty good job of that themselves. However we are flipping the bill for it.
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Well to be fair, we aren't really defending them they do a pretty good job of that themselves. However we are flipping the bill for it.
true that
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There is no way to change what happened to the owners of the land in the late '40's. Nor is their any way to change what happened when the land was taken originally from the Israeli's.
The fact that the Arab world is still supporting this terrorism is just further proof of their descent into lawless heathens. Sad, especially considering the contribution these people made to mankind. Perhaps they will change their ways and educate their youth instead of strapping bombs on their backs and preaching hate.
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Sad, especially considering the contribution these people made to mankind. Perhaps they will change their ways and educate their youth instead of strapping bombs on their backs and preaching hate.
The virtuous deeds of people a thousand years past should be credited to their modern descendants as readily as their misdeeds... Hence we have the concept of forgiveness, as well as the phrase: "what have you done for me lately, eddie?"
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Sad, especially considering the contribution these people made to mankind.
other than algebra...what have arabs given mankind? (and by the way...thanks a pant load for the algebra)
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That's what happens when you deal with people that have no honor..... :mad:
Ah, but you're wrong there. They are working hard to keep up their honor, so hard that sometimes they have to stone to death some of their daughters and sisters because they didn't wear a scarf or they were thought to be looking at men in a bad way.
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Hamas IS the government there, and what goes on has their tacit blessing.
No, Hamas is the government in the Gaza Strip not in the West Bank. Also, Islamic Jihad and Hamas are bitter rivals and they fight each other more than they fight the Israelis. Islamic Jihad is also a splinter group of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad that was created by Al-Queda's #2 man.
(Question: Why, in discussions such as these, do conservatives invariably side with Israel, and Liberals invariably side with the Palestinian bus-blower-uppers-and-rocket/mortar-launchers at pizzerias?)
Question..why do people like you ASSume what someone else's political affiliation is when they actually have no clue? I have been a registered Republican for 20 years.
Please show me in my post where I said anything remotely against the Israeli government and supported as you put it the "bus blower-uppers-and-rocket/mortar-launchers at pizzerias?
ack-ack
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No, Hamas is the government in the Gaza Strip not in the West Bank. Also, Islamic Jihad and Hamas are bitter rivals and they fight each other more than they fight the Israelis. Islamic Jihad is also a splinter group of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad that was created by Al-Queda's #2 man.
Question..why do people like you ASSume what someone else's political affiliation is when they actually have no clue? I have been a registered Republican for 20 years.
Please show me in my post where I said anything remotely against the Israeli government and supported as you put it the "bus blower-uppers-and-rocket/mortar-launchers at pizzerias?
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The observation was a general one and not directed at you, which is why I put it a few lines down--saves an additional post