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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: slipknot on June 26, 2008, 08:49:55 AM
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The basic principal behind it is that instead of making a loud noise, this system snaps a digital picture of the would-be theif/vandal before he actually starts to enter/damage the car, and stores that picture on a database for future use as evidence... There is, however, a deterrant aspect to it that is perhaps most applicable.
It works by means of small-radius motion detectors that are programmed to go off when a body lingers by any of the cars entry points (windows, doors) for more than a few seconds.
Cameras will be small, about the size and capability of the kind you find in high-end cell phones these days, and are deployed from the inside, popping out like the lock-stubs on old cars, only much faster. A second camera will come out of a roof-mounted panel and take a panaramic shot of the scene simultenously. crouching, as well as standing potential offenders will thus be capture by either the interior cameras, or the panoramic one.
Once the shot is taken, an audible voice will inform the perpetrator that their photo has just been uploaded to an online database and will be forwarded to local authorities if any damage is inflicted upon the vehicle. If the perpetrator continues, and enters the car, an interior-mounted camera will snap a shot of them driving every several seconds for as long as the camera is active.
Total price, about $2000, with installation. The target market is high-end luxury cars, but can also be used for limos, buses, RVs and boats.
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For $200 I'll sell you my paintball sentry turret. It can be easily swapped out with a real gun. It has single target tracking, autonomous defense, and motion predicition. Cheaper and far more entertaining.
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For $200 I'll sell you my paintball sentry turret. It can be easily swapped out with a real gun. It has single target tracking, autonomous defense, and motion predicition. Cheaper and far more entertaining.
Ok, for $200, I'll definitely buy it from you. But what do you think about the utility of the security system.
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Ok, for $200, I'll definitely buy it from you. But what do you think about the utility of the security system.
I see a lot of technical issues that would have to be overcome. The cameras would have to be off right until the moment they need to take a picture. Mounting would be a nightmare. A simple snapshot wouldn't do because there's no telling how tall the person could be, how they're moving around, etc. You'd be lucky to get a shot of their face. That means capturing live video. Now you're in a situation like lojack. Without a buried installation, they'd just tear it out.
That's assuming the car is actually recovered, which there's no guarantee of. You'd have to have a cell phone modem to upload the pictures on the fly. That means more power usage when the car is still off. That means a monthly subscription fee to the cell phone and security service providers.
You'd be better off just using Lojack.
I avoided all those problems by just pointing a camera from my balcony to my covered parking spot. Granted, it doesn't cover me anywhere but home, but I have Lojack for everywhere else :)
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my dads buddy hooked a car battery up for a modified system years ago, police were not amused when it worked.
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I can see the headlines now...
"Outraged mothers demand pedophile-friendly car security system be banned..."
"19 year old mother of 4, Sonia Heffer, today demanded camera based security systems for vehicles be outlawed amid fears images of children inadvertently taken by the system could be put on the internet by pedophiles."
"Ms Heffer made the demands after receiving a complaint from a neighbor regarding two of her children, Brittany, 6, and Kiefer, 5, apparently jumping up and down on the hood of a $50,000 Lexus."
"Said Ms Heffer, "The kids were just playing, they're just children doing what children do and now this pervert has taken these pictures and stolen their youth.
"Local authorities have seized the Lexus and the Ms Heffer's neighbor questioned by police as part of an ongoing investigation into the incident."
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I can see the headlines now...
"Outraged mothers demand pedophile-friendly car security system be banned..."
"19 year old mother of 4, Sonia Heffer, today demanded camera based security systems for vehicles be outlawed amid fears images of children inadvertently taken by the system could be put on the internet by pedophiles."
"Ms Heffer made the demands after receiving a complaint from a neighbor regarding two of her children, Brittany, 6, and Kiefer, 5, apparently jumping up and down on the hood of a $50,000 Lexus."
"Said Ms Heffer, "The kids were just playing, they're just children doing what children do and now this pervert has taken these pictures and stolen their youth.
"Local authorities have seized the Lexus and the Ms Heffer's neighbor questioned by police as part of an ongoing investigation into the incident."
Which is why the database is a closed system, operated by a third party, and open only to the proper authorities.
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What happens when the car thief is wearing a ski mask?
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What happens when the car thief is wearing a ski mask?
He'll get into the car and hopefully take the ski mask off before he starts driving--not doing so would attract too much attention. If he takes it off, the interior camera will get him.
The device will obviously be advertised on the car as well, so chances are, if the criminal is thoughtful enough to bring a ski-mask, he'll be thoughtful enough to find an easier target.
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"thoughtful criminals" There's a concept.
:rofl
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"thoughtful criminals" There's a concept.
:rofl
Thoughtful = careful enough to cover their tracks/minimize evidence.
I would be compelled to agree with you, though, as most car theives just want a quick ride/thrill/buck, and are not the highly-organized breed--until they get others working for them, that is. Most wouldn't bother with the ski-mask, either, as their goal is to do it undetected and then pass off as a legal driver for the getaway.
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I'd rather have a Trunkmonkey http://www.trunkmonkey.com/content/view/44/51/
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Trunkmonkey is a better idea.
:aok
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Trunkmonkey is a better idea.
:aok
How much do you charge?
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Probably less than it would cost you for me to moon yer cameras at your car all night long.
:lol
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Probably less than it would cost you for me to moon yer cameras at your car all night long.
:lol
If you're suggesting that I pay you to look at your rear end instead of your face, I think we can do business.
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"thoughtful criminals" There's a concept.
:rofl
Never met a pro thief, or for that matter, a repo man? They both basically do the same thing... just one happens to be legal.
Most that I've met and spoken to don't even bother breaking into a car. They drag it onto their flatbed, alarm blaring. They drive around the corner, pop the hood, cut the battery cable, and away they go. Nobody cares about car alarms, so nobody ever even notices.
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Try the anti-theft systems at stickdeath.com (I don't know if this site is still up, definitely NSFW)
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Probably less than it would cost you for me to moon yer cameras at your car all night long.
:lol
One strong electrical jolt from a Battery on to the fuselage of the car and FISSLE-POOF there goes the camera system
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You know what would be cool? A TAZER built into the dash that will fire 5 seconds after the car is started if it is armed. Have it tied into the regular car alarm but on a seperate circuit, so if a car thief disables the regular alarm the tazer is still active since it didn't recieve it's deactivation code from the alarm system. Crook turns the ignition over, checks his mirrors and then ZAPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!! Have the TAZER system send a message to 911 with a GPS location so the cops know that when they get there someone is going to be in alot of pain.
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Never met a pro thief, or for that matter, a repo man? They both basically do the same thing... just one happens to be legal.
Most that I've met and spoken to don't even bother breaking into a car. They drag it onto their flatbed, alarm blaring. They drive around the corner, pop the hood, cut the battery cable, and away they go. Nobody cares about car alarms, so nobody ever even notices.
approaching and touching the hood would trigger the cameras, and the panoramic camera would get the shot. They don't have to care about the security system, they would only have to care about having images of them stealing the car published to a police-accessible database.
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approaching and touching the hood would trigger the cameras, and the panoramic camera would get the shot. They don't have to care about the security system, they would only have to care about having images of them stealing the car published to a police-accessible database.
You'd need a separate power supply for it then, and a wiring harness to recharge it while the engine is running and not sap the normal battery power.
You'd need sensors for pretty much every body panel, or tap the car's CPU for the info. In either case, you'd either have to install it at the factory, or tear most of the car apart to install it. That's some pretty significant labor costs. Processor, storage, connectivity, sensors, cameras, AND installation, for under 2k? Is this a real product or something you're dreamining up? Sounds like you're underestimating the costs involved. Just saying so because I did the same recently.. give you an example...
I said the turret I built costs $200. That's true. For the servo controller, it was $75. There's 3 $10 servos, a $75 digital servo. I already had a USB webcam ($50 extra), laptop ($500-$3000), joystick (cougar hotas, $150+). Then you need the gun ($500), HPA tank ($200), hopper ($90). None of that includes labor for writing the software, assembling the pan-tilt, machining the gun mounting plate, etc, etc.
On top of all of this, there's the most evil issue of them all. Warranties.
edit: Not trying to discourage you at all. I think it's a cool idea, and some people would buy it. The problem is getting the stuff fully functional, manufacturing, and then selling it to the people who will sell it for you (dealerships, car audio places, etc). There was tons of details I never really understood, or for that matter even knew existed, until I was in the middle of it. :huh
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You know what would be cool? A TAZER built into the dash that will fire 5 seconds after the car is started if it is armed. Have it tied into the regular car alarm but on a seperate circuit, so if a car thief disables the regular alarm the tazer is still active since it didn't recieve it's deactivation code from the alarm system. Crook turns the ignition over, checks his mirrors and then ZAPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!! Have the TAZER system send a message to 911 with a GPS location so the cops know that when they get there someone is going to be in alot of pain.
:aok :aok :aok
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my dads buddy hooked a car battery up for a modified system years ago, police were not amused when it worked.
thats ok. we're not always amused when "they" work either :P
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ANYTHING has got to be better then that godawful beeping that nobody pays any attention to.
People just want it to stop.
If that means a theif has to drive it out of hearing distance. so be it.
So long as we dont have to listen to it.
Any self respecting car theif knows how to disable them anyway
A better solution and certainly a more effective one. Would be to install a device that simply renders the vehicle unable to start and locks up the wheels so that it cant be moved.
I'd be in favor of a law banning beeping car alarms or rewarding anyone who steals one that beeps.
Half he time they go off for no reason anyway.