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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Angrist on June 26, 2008, 01:24:30 PM
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...and Pelosi is already thinking of how to work around it.
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/06/26/pelosi-says-dc-should-continue-gun-regulation/ (http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/06/26/pelosi-says-dc-should-continue-gun-regulation/)
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...and Pelosi is already thinking of how to work around it.
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/06/26/pelosi-says-dc-should-continue-gun-regulation/ (http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/06/26/pelosi-says-dc-should-continue-gun-regulation/)
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Liberals don't take defeat well.
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Liberals don't take defeat well.
You got that right!!!, look at GW's reaction to the Gitmo decision, he is anything but a conservative.
shamus
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Just a question....
Which one wears the bag over their head at night? Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid?
:D
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Recount?
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Recount?
When in doubt, RECOUNT!
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I can hear her whining all the way up here in Philly. And it is sweet music to my ears.
I guess Philly is gonna be forced to re-think the similar law it was about to pass.
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You got that right!!!, look at GW's reaction to the Gitmo decision, he is anything but a conservative.
shamus
guess I got this wrong.........I thought bush said "i don't agree....but I will respect the SC's decision"......did he not?
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guess I got this wrong.........I thought bush said "i don't agree....but I will respect the SC's decision"......did he not?
That's exactly what he said. :aok
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guess I got this wrong.........I thought bush said "i don't agree....but I will respect the SC's decision"......did he not?
A conservative will say "I don't agree....but I will respect the SC's decision"
A socialist would say "I don't agree....but I HAVE TO respect the SC's decision"
A liberal would say "I don't agree....but I will ignore the SC's decision and lobby for another fight in the courts until I get my way!"
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Well I've been following this one all day and so far the ONLY people that have come out and said the SC ruling was a bad decision are.......
wait for it........................... ............................. ............................. ..
DEMOCRATS
Wow who would a thunk it? Man it must really scare alot of those folks when the SC tells them that, "Hey guess what? The average Joe in the country has RIGHTS that you can't take away from them."
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Well they haven't changed what types of firearms that we can buy yet or how many we can legally own...BUT that day is coming sooner than you might want to think and it will be endorsed by every politician in the majority ruling party. Lobbyists will have no way or over riding it by dropping money in the bucket because the Dems think it is the right thing to do. SO boys stock up now and buy the big guns because once Obama is in the office and after Hillary has him slotted and she gets to be Prez with Pelosi sucking up her prettythang there will be no more .50 guns being sold to the public.
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I told you that the SC decision would be bad for the democrats.. they are between a rock and a hard place... the democrats hate to talk about guns because they are forced to lie and say they are with the majority of the American public and the right side of the constitution on the thing and then they have to go back to all the anti gun groups and say that they were only lieing to us.
The issue is out in the open and they hate to talk about it.. the great messiah osamabama came out today and said that he now has reversed his position and now believes it was always an individual right. So long as the government could take it away from you of course.
lazs
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guess I got this wrong.........I thought bush said "i don't agree....but I will respect the SC's decision"......did he not?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080612/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_guantanamo
I guess you did, talking about going after another law does not seem like respecting the courts ruling.
shamus
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NEWSFLASH TO PELOSI: People have an individual right to keep and bear arms, get over it already :D
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I think the only logically response to DC lifting the gun ban is to lift the ban on noise supressors.
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ah.. so you are unhappy with the decision twenty fo?
Why am I not surprised that you would be bitter? Surprised you did not say grenade launchers but that would have been toooooo obvious a troll even for you eh?
lazs
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Laz,
Remember all the British, EU and related bloggers who used to tell us the 2nd wouldn't stand muster if it went to the SCOTUS? You had quite a few rounds with them. Where are they today?
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Someone do the research please! How many legal handguns, used by there legal owners, where involved in shootings in the last....oh lets say 4 years. Then find out how many illegal, stolen, unregistered, handguns where involved in shootings in the same time period! I bet most of that info is being heavily suppressed.
For some reason they miss the fact that it's not the legal guns causing all the problems. :(
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Laz,
Remember all the British, EU and related bloggers who used to tell us the 2nd wouldn't stand muster if it went to the SCOTUS? You had quite a few rounds with them. Where are they today?
Yeah....where is Beet1e and Nashwan now? I'd sure like to have seen at least Beet1e's reaction to this ruling. :D
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For some reason they miss the fact that it's not the legal guns causing all the problems.
It's not even the guns that are causing the problems. It's people that are causing the problems.
To illustrate, lay an unloaded, or even a loaded gun on the table and wait for it to jump up and cause some problems.
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It's not even the guns that are causing the problems. It's people that are causing the problems.
To illustrate, lay an unloaded, or even a loaded gun on the table and wait for it to jump up and cause some problems.
I can't perform that experiment in my house because at least 2 of my cats would play with it. Thank god they dont have aposable thumbs........ :t
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I can't perform that experiment in my house because at least 2 of my cats would play with it. Thank god they dont have aposable thumbs........ :t
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You, if the other side had won, and only those in a regulated militia could keep arms, EVERYONE would form a militia. THEN, the next step of the other side would be to regulate. The gun owners would say they have theright to self regulate, the other side would say no thats a federal issue, and so on.
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You, if the other side had won, and only those in a regulated militia could keep arms, EVERYONE would form a militia. THEN, the next step of the other side would be to regulate. The gun owners would say they have theright to self regulate, the other side would say no thats a federal issue, and so on.
This is one of those issues my party is on the wrong side of- like nuclear power or offshore oil drilling.
However, my party is able to adopt its stance in the face of emergency and public opinion and react appropiately- unlike the Republicans, whose policies are etched in stone.
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However, my party is able to adopt its stance in the face of emergency and public opinion and react appropiately-
Translation: We have no principles and will change our views to whatever we think will get us elected. :lol
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Translation: We have no principles and will change our views to whatever we think will get us elected. :lol
That would be standard fair in the world of polotics all sides are guilty of it.
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but it was 5 to 4 ...5 to 4!!!!!
yep, wait til the bro picks his SC judges .....
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That would be standard fair in the world of polotics all sides are guilty of it.
Save for a few that are ignored and/or pushed aside as "fringe" candidates for it.
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Save for a few that are ignored and/or pushed aside as "fringe" candidates for it.
Agreed.
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I told you that the SC decision would be bad for the democrats.. they are between a rock and a hard place... the democrats hate to talk about guns because they are forced to lie and say they are with the majority of the American public and the right side of the constitution on the thing and then they have to go back to all the anti gun groups and say that they were only lieing to us.
The issue is out in the open and they hate to talk about it.. the great messiah osamabama came out today and said that he now has reversed his position and now believes it was always an individual right. So long as the government could take it away from you of course.
lazs
Obama hasn't changed his position at all. Why do you make stuff up like this lazs?
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.
(from the Philadelphia debate in Feb.)
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The filing of paperwork has already begun. I can't wait for the avalanche of new lawsuits to come along trying to change/overturn some decisions and also, to see how creative the anti-gun folks can get in their desperation.
Honestly, the authors of the Constitution were not as technologically advanced as we are now, but were they stupid? I think not. Why would they amend the constitution to say that we have a right to bear arms? So we know that it is intended to apply to the military/armed forces? Hello......!! We know the US Armed forces will bear arms. Duh!
I don't think that they would have been so redundant to write the second amendment if it wasn't intended to apply to individuals.
I'm pleased with the decision, but still amazed that the SC had to spell it out for so many people.
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Obama hasn't changed his position at all. Why do you make stuff up like this lazs?
obama did a interview last nov. where he said "the Constitution did not give the right to have guns to individuals", now he says individuals may have the right but the govt can restrict the right.
the fight for freedom will never end.
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To quote my favorite Philadelphian, Ben Franklin.....
"Once we are finished changing, we are finished"
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2008/06/26/VI2008062601753.html?hpid=topnews
amazing how the mayor of DC can be "disappointed" that citizens have an individual to keep and bear arms... I hope this comes back to bite him come election time...
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MT in an interview he admitted that he felt the DC ban was constitutional.. he refuses to comment on the chicago ban.. he voted for every gun ban and restriction ever put in front of him and even started a few himself.
His statement that he believes "in general" in an individual right but one that can be "constrained" and regulated is not inconsistent with the wording of the british "gun rights bill" and we know how that turned out.
It is also not inconsistent with gun bans of all types..it is pure gobbly gook as is everything he says.. it is meaningless and contradictory to earlier statements.
He said before that the DC gun ban was constitutional and now he says that it is not.
His statement is the same as if ron paul had said that he believes in a womans right to choose "in general principal" but in the states right to constrict that right....
restrict it to say...oh.. no woman under the age of 65 could get an abortion.
It is simple tho.. all he needs to do in the coming weeks and months is to say how he stands on other gun bans that will be challenged. like in chicago for instance..
What is so hard in that? McCain seems to be able to answer these questions in a straightforward and unambiguous manner.
He is simply lying.. just as all the democrat gun grabbers who take their picture in duck blinds with a shotgun in hand just before an election are lying.
They won't get on the right side of this as carrel says.. they will simply hide the fact as well as they can about being on the wrong side of it.
lazs
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If elected, Obama will do all he can to "regulate" and "restrict" our rights to bare arms.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2008/06/26/VI2008062601753.html?hpid=topnews
amazing how the mayor of DC can be "disappointed" that citizens have an individual to keep and bear arms... I hope this comes back to bite him come election time...
The Mayor not only expressed disappointment but said that automatic and semi automatic handguns were still illegal.....
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The Mayor not only expressed disappointment but said that automatic and semi automatic handguns were still illegal.....
Yep and that will be overturned in the next round of lawsuits since the SC ruled that an individual has a right to own and keep in his home any weapon "in common use" .
Auto handguns are the most common types of handguns on the market and in use by the military, police, and the average citizen. The fact that he doesn't understand that an automatic and semi automatic handgun are the exact same thing is funny.
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o/t - if they are the same, what do you call those handguns that fire continuously with one pull of the trigger?
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machine pistol? I always thought of that as synonymous with automatic handgun...
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This is one of those issues my party is on the wrong side of- like nuclear power or offshore oil drilling.
However, my party is able to adopt its stance in the face of emergency and public opinion and react appropiately- unlike the Republicans, whose policies are etched in stone.
I wish more people would think for themselves rather than let "their party" think for them.
Please, vote the issues, not the party. American politics are screwed up because Americans let their unions, their party, think for them.
VOTE THE ISSUES, NOT THE PARTY! :mad:
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I wish more people would think for themselves rather than let "their party" think for them.
Please, vote the issues, not the party. American politics are screwed up because Americans let their unions, their party, think for them.
VOTE THE ISSUES, NOT THE PARTY! :mad:
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machine pistol? I always thought of that as synonymous with automatic handgun...
But IIRC they're just one mode of fire that these guns allow. I think one of them is called "R93"? I forgot the brand.
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Obama hasn't changed his position at all. Why do you make stuff up like this lazs?
Phffffffffttttttttttttttttttt .
OsamaObama`s position changes are so numerous they are on sale on eBay.
No bidders.
Auction ending soon.
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o/t - if they are the same, what do you call those handguns that fire continuously with one pull of the trigger?
That would be a machine pistol as has already been stated and those are a class 3 firearm.
When the first auto loading handguns were developed they were called automatics because they automaticaly loaded the next round in the chamber when the weapon was fired. The same held true for rifle. Now enter the select fire weapons and the terms semi auto and full auto came into play.
Now because of the constant missuse of the terms when discussing different types of firearms people associate the term automatic handgun as being a fully automatic machine pistol and that is not the case. A TRUE automatic pistol fires in a semi automatic mode of operation. One trigger pull fires one round and the pistol "automaticaly" loads the next round, hence it's designation as an automatic handgun.
The DC Mayor in his statement was describing one firearm class as if there were two types of firearms and the general public is stupid enough to not know the differance and buy into it.
As I said before, my PT-99 is classed as an automatic pistol and it fires in what is commonly reffered to as a semi automatic mode of operation, but it's the SAME gun.
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If elected, Obama will do all he can to "regulate" and "restrict" our rights to bare arms.
damn, if he forces me to wear long sleeves, I'll be pissed
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Yeah, the general public usually has no understanding of the terminology of the standard actions of firearms:
Here are the basic types of firearm types: (Add or correct if you want.)
Muzzle: Manual reloading. The components to fire are loaded manually through the muzzle.
Single: Manual reloading. The action must be opened by hand and a new live round fed into the action by hand.
Bolt: Manual reloading. The action is worked by hand and a new live round is fed from a "well" (magazine, tube, etc) of live ammunition by the action.
Semi-Automatic: The action is worked by the energy of the round being fired, the next live round is fed automatically. One round is fired per trigger pull.
Full Automatic: The action is worked by the energy of the round being fired, the next live round is fed automatically. Multiple rounds can be fired with one trigger pull.
Select Fire Automatic: The action is worked by the energy of the round being fired, the next live round is fed automatically. The firearm can be set to fire in Semi-Automatic, Full Automatic, or Burst Fire (Burst fire is full automatic with a pre-determined multiple number of rounds fired with each trigger pull.)
Terror
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so basically, when gun control types SAY "automatic handgun" they want you to think they're referring to machine pistols, but when they WRITE "automatic handgun" in a piece of legislation it's actually pertaining to what we think of as semi's... Not that this is new to me, just goes to show what tricky bastiges our "representatives" are...
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What do you mean?? It's for your own good!
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Someone do the research please! How many legal handguns, used by there legal owners, where involved in shootings in the last....oh lets say 4 years. Then find out how many illegal, stolen, unregistered, handguns where involved in shootings in the same time period! I bet most of that info is being heavily suppressed.
For some reason they miss the fact that it's not the legal guns causing all the problems. :(
actually, it isnt any gun that is the problem. ;) It is the people behind any gun that is the issue. Bad guys will always be bad guys and they will always ge their hands on anything they want.
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OK here is the correct definition for ALL types of firearms.
Handguns
Sub Machine guns
Rifles
Shotguns
Machine Guns
Pretty much everything else falls under the catagory of ordinance such as cannons and the like.
Handguns are broken down into the following:
Muzzle Loading
Single shot
Revolvers
Automatics
Rifles are broken down into the following:
Muzzle Loading
Single shot
Automatics
Shotguns are the same as rifles
Sub Machine guns are a hybrid weapon. They contain the qualities of an automatic rifle but fire a handgun cartridge
Machine guns are broken down into the following:
Heavy
Light
Now we have modes of operation.
Single shot: Once fired the weapon MUST be manualy reloaded by the user.
Semi Automatic: Once the weapon is fired the next round is automaticly loaded into the chamber BUT the user MUST pull the trigger again to fire the next round.
Burst: Once the weapon has been fired it will automaticly fire a set number or rounds for one pull of the trigger.
Full Automatic: Once the weapon has been fired the next round will automaticly be loaded AND fired as long as the user keeps the trigger pulled.
So going back to handguns there are 4 general classes of weapons.
Muzzle loading handguns require the powder, and bullet to be manually loaded through the muzzle of the gun and they fire in a single shot mode of operation.
Single shot handguns are weapons like a Deringer. Self contained cartridge individualy loaded into the chamber by hand. Even double barreled Deringers are considered a single shot weapon because after it is fired the user has to manualy load the next round into the weapon.
Revolvers hold multiple rounds in the cylinder and the cylinder revolves the next round inline with the barrel as the weapon is cocked.
Automatics contain the rounds in a magazine and the weapon automaticaly loads the next round once the weapon has been fired.
Rifles and Shot Guns are the same as pistols in this regard. Where people start confusing everything is when they start using the mode of operation in place of the class of weapon.
Here is an excample. A Ruger 10/22 is an Automatic rifle that fires in a semi automatic mode. Most people call a Ruger 10/22 a semi automatic rifle but that's not correct. They are using the mode of operation to class the weapon when in reality a 10/22 is an automatic rifle.
Anouther excample. The M-16 rifle. It is an automatic rifle. It is capable of firing in TWO modes of operation. Semi Auto, and Full Auto/Burst. Weapons that are "select fire" like the M-16 are classed as a Class 3 firearm and are regulated by the Federal Government. However an AR-15 which is IDENTICAL to an M-16 EXCEPT it is NOT equipped with select fire capablities is ALSO classed as an automatic rifle but it ONLY fires in the semi automatic mode of operation and is there for available to the general public.
Now where it gets tricky for the general public is when the anti-gun grabbers start tossing these terms around. They KNOW exactly what they are saying but they rely on the publics ignorance to lean in their favor. When they say they ONLY want to ban automatic weapons, Jonh Q Public thinks "Full Auto" weapons like a M-16 or something and that's OK with them. What the public FAILS to realize is that an automatic weapon is ANY weapon that auto loads a round. The gun grabbers have been switching the terms around for so long that no one understands what is actually being talked about anymore and that's EXACTLY what they want.
So when the DC Mayor stood up yesterday and said that semi auto and automatic handguns are still banned what was he really saying?
Just owning a gun isn't enough to excerise your rights. You MUST be armed with the correct information as well.
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The fact that he doesn't understand that an automatic and semi automatic handgun are the exact same thing is funny.
I caught that too, and if it wasn't so pathetic I might have actually laughed.
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i find it appalling that 4 out of 9 SC judges think it is ok to disarm innocent civilians, one more judge and you will have no right to protect yourself.