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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: BMathis on June 26, 2008, 02:57:38 PM
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I would really love to see some bi-planes in the early war aircraft plane set. Just flying one with guns and bombs would be a blast! I was looking for some that actually flew, and found some that were manufactured in the 1930s... Here's some that would be a blast to fly, and probably fairly simple to model (I think).
American Curtiss P-6 Hawk
(http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/curtiss-p6-hawk.jpg)
Here's some info...
Originally based on the existing P-1B series of aircraft, the P-6 Hawk series was a first-line pursuit aircraft for the United States in the early 1930s. The Hawk became the last of the fighter biplanes built in quantity for the Army Air Corps and was revealed in at least 13 distinct sub-types that included 8 different models. Though never utilized in combat, the P-6 was always remembered as being perhaps the best-known of all the peace-time piston-engine US Army pursuit fighters.
Developed from already successful racer versions of the P-1 and PW-8, the P-6 featured a series of modifications to enlighten military buyers. The P-6 came under the original designation of Y1P-22, but this was later redesignated to the more familiar P-6 due to the similarity that the aircraft shared with the other P-6 series of airplanes. The United States Army Air Corps placed an order for their initial eighteen P-6s in 1929.
The most notable model of the P-6 was found in the P-6E Hawk. This aircraft was fitted with a 700hp Curtiss V-1570C Conqueror engine capable of speeds reaching 200 miles per hour. Twin .303 caliber machine guns were the sole armament and the landing gears systems were static - though a US Navy version allowed for manual landing gear operation. The design screamed World War One to the core, as the cockpit was of open-air variety and the system still maintained the bi-plane design of aviation yester-year.
As a transitional design, the P-6 featured superior performance for a biplane design of this time, this despite the fact that only forty-six P-6 aircraft were ever ordered into frontline service, even when defense spending for the American military were severely held in check through the Great Depression years.
The P-6 Hawk series went on to see modest export success, albeit in limited numbers, throughout the world - particularly to Latin American customers. The United States Navy also utilized the system with a different designation and some slight modifications.
In all, the P-6 Hawk series would appear as the final stepping stone to more advance aircraft design an engineering, which would take a final leap with the start of World War Two. This American "between wars" design served its purpose and its role quite well.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/curtiss-p6-hawk.jpg
The oft-forgotten Czechoslovakian B.534 was at the pinnacle of biplane design in the 1930s.
(http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/b534.jpg)
The Czechoslovakian Avia B.534 series of biplane was a highly regarded though often forgotten product of the European nation. Some reports make it the best aircraft of its category during its early run through the 1930s. Such was the performance of the machine that the German Luftwaffe would briefly setup a fighter squadron utilizing captured B.534 aircraft.
Simply put, the Avia B.534 can be thought of as a melding of two ages in aviation history. The B.534 featured a static undercarriage and coupled with its throwback biplane wing assembly. Under that outdated facade was also four 7.7mm synchronized machine guns, a powerful 850 horsepower engine capable of 245 miles per hour and the ability for the weapon system to carry no fewer than six 44lb bombs. Handling of the system was reported to be favorable, so much so that this combination of speed, handling and firepower was highly respected.
Fuselage construction of the Avia B.534 was a unique mix of fabric-covered steel-structured wing assemblies. The fuselage, as a whole, was highly aerodynamic in nature, complete with an enclosed cockpit. The operational flight ceiling of over 30,000 necessitated this feature.
Avia B.534's would eventually see combat against the invading German forces, for the conquering German forces against the Soviet Union and ultimately phased out of service after completing several, less note-worthy, roles.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=139
British The Fairey Swordfish
(http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/fairey-swordfish.jpg)
History
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The Fairey Swordfish, despite her archaic appearance even by 1930's standards, was a well-performing reconnaissance and anti-ship aircraft for the United Kingdom throughout the Second World war. The fragile-looking aircraft's legacy would forever be tied to the damaging of the German battleship "Bismarck" but one cannot overlook her contributions to other well-played actions, among them, the successful sorties of Swordfish pilots in the Mediterranean Theater provided a major blow to Axis shipping operations. In the end, the "Ole Stringbag" would become an important component of the Royal Navy and a legendary aircraft of World War 2.
Design of the Swordfish extended as far back as 1933 to which an early prototype design known as the TSR.I was lost. From this design, the metal and fabric construction TSR.II emerged with some engineering changes that included a redesigned top wing assembly and overall larger dimensions. Flying for the first time in April of 1934, the Swordfish was received for full operational service in July of 1936. By the end of the war, no fewer than 25 squadrons would be made active and fielding the Swordfish type.
Externally, the Swordfish was from an age of flight gone by. The pilot, bombardier and rear gunner sat in open cockpits. The aircraft was of a biplane type design with the engine extreme forward and the pilot seated behind the powerplant just under the top wing section. A second crew member was seated directly behind the pilot with a rear gunner further aft behind him. Standard armament consisted of a single 7.7mm machine gun fixed to fire forward and controlled by the pilot whilst a further 7.7mm machine gun was afforded the rear gunner, this emplacement being trainable. Despite this relatively meager defensive armament, the true value of the Swordfish lay in her anti-ship destructive abilities. As such, a standard external load of a single 18-inch torpedo was slung under the fuselage while the Mk II model would feature provision for explosive rockets. Power was supplied by a Bristol-brand Pegasus XXX radial piston engine of some 750 horsepower.
With the war in full swing and Swordfish production following suit, the biplane took to the skies over the Mediterranean Sea, attacking Axis interests and effectively harassing shipping on all sides. Swordfish would also be responsible for crippling up to three important battleships serving on the Italian side, rendering Italian battleship power down to 50%. Among other acts of gallantry, the outdated Swordfish aircraft successfully crippled even more German warships in the Atlantic though her most memorable action would be against the great German battleship of Bismarck, to which the Swordfish would end up crippling and ultimately forcing her out of any future German action plans.
In the end, some nearly 2,400 Swordfish would be produced, fighting from land or sea bases and appearing in either landing gear-form or floatplane form. Among the developments of the system during the war would be the Mk II, Mk III and the Mk IV. The Mk II was fielded with a redesigned lower wing assembly, offering up the ability to carry air-to-surface rockets. The Mk III appeared with an ASV-type radar mounted under-fuselage just between the fixed landing gear. The Mk IV was the last in the series, being fielded with an enclosed cockpit.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=571
The British Gloster Gladiator
(http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/gloster-gladiator.jpg)
The Gloster Gladiator was already made obsolete by the time of its inception, yet the type soldiered on through 1944.
Soviet Union Polikarpov I-15 Chaika
(http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/polikarpov-i15.jpg)
There are others that'd be fun as well. A wish I'd love to see in game! :pray
Here's a full list of ww2 Aircraft
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/world-war-2-aircraft.asp
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I'm all for it, but did the P-6 see operational service in WW2 with a squadron? Just curious, dont re-call reading it. :aok :aok
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I'd rather see the Brewster, PZL 11 and Swordfish and then "Call it a day".
P-6's IIRC, were scrapped out by 1941 or 1942. Most were done by the onset of the war.
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I'm all for it, but did the P-6 see operational service in WW2 with a squadron? Just curious, dont re-call reading it. :aok :aok
If that's the same Curtiss Hawk the French used in Morocco, then yes.
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cant forget the Peashooter
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Peashooter.arp.750pix.jpg)
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How about the Hs 123 http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/hs123.jpg
Facts
Type Ground attack fighter
Engine BMW 132 Dc.9-Cylinder radial air-cooled 880 hp
Wingspan 34ft 5 in
Length 27 4in
Height 10ft 6in
Weight 4,888 lb loaded
Max speed 212 at 3,940 ft
Celling 29,525 ft
Armament 2 mgs 440lb of bombs
:pray :pray
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If that's the same Curtiss Hawk the French used in Morocco, then yes.
Ahh of course :aok
Just curious :)
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If that's the same Curtiss Hawk the French used in Morocco, then yes.
It isn't. The Curtis Hawk used by the French was the radial engined aircraft that became the basis for the P-40 Warhawk.
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Ohh, you mean the Curtiss P-36? :aok
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The Curtiss P-6 HAWK Didn't see any combat in WW2 - doubt there were even any in service by the time WW2 broke out.
Think you are thinking of the CURTISS F11C/BF2C/HAWK III.
The export version of the F11C GOSHAWK - the HAWK III was used extensively by the Nationalist Chinese Air Force against the Japanese in the early part of WW2.
(http://vintage-aviation.hp.infoseek.co.jp/us_curtiss-hawk-iii_1933.jpg)
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Nice finds Gents!
I think it would be a great addition to the game. Lol think of a mass mission of those guys! :O Be tons of fun!!!
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IMO, it is only feasible to have planes in AHII that can at least compete with a glint of hope in the mid and late war arenas.
The French D520 and Pz11 are two that could do so. Maybe the Swordfish and I am sure there are others... but those two for sure. Otherwise... they will be sitting ducks for all but a few snapshots, etc.
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Bet I could whip some arse if they wanted to turn fight :D I imagine it'd Be great base defence aircraft too.
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IMO, it is only feasible to have planes in AHII that can at least compete with a glint of hope in the mid and late war arenas.
We do have an early war arena and we also have a very large gap in our early war plane set. In fact, with the exception of a few planes, the early war years isn't really represented in our plane set. People complain about how the early war arena is never populated and the biggest reason why is the plane set. If we were to flesh out the early war planeset with 1939-1940 warbirds it would go a long way of filling in the holes of the planeset. In addition, it would be a boon to the scenario crowd and even the AvA arena.
No, what we don't need is another fast late war plane when our planeset has so many gaps that need to be filled in covering the early and mid war time line.
ack-ack
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well said Ack ack
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If that's the same Curtiss Hawk the French used in Morocco, then yes.
The french flew the later hawk75 with great effect...
(http://www.airshows.org.uk/2006/airshows/legends/photographs/hawk_1.jpg)
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So did the Finnish Air Force, a reported 190 1/3 kills with only 15 losses flown by Lentolaivue 32.
As snaphook pointed out, it also enjoyed success with the French. 230 confirmed kills, 80 probable victories with only 29 losses suffered in aerial combat during the Battle of France. Vichy French Hawks also clashed with US Navy Wildcats during Operation Torch, losing 15 H75s and shooting down 7 F4F Wildcats.
ack-ack
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yup,
I've always felt that the hawk would be a better addition then the buffalo if we could only get one....
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We do have an early war arena and we also have a very large gap in our early war plane set. In fact, with the exception of a few planes, the early war years isn't really represented in our plane set. People complain about how the early war arena is never populated and the biggest reason why is the plane set. If we were to flesh out the early war planeset with 1939-1940 warbirds it would go a long way of filling in the holes of the planeset. In addition, it would be a boon to the scenario crowd and even the AvA arena.
No, what we don't need is another fast late war plane when our planeset has so many gaps that need to be filled in covering the early and mid war time line.
ack-ack
Agree 110% :aok BRAVO! BRAVO!
(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/55/applausepm9.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
I would vote for the HAWK 75 before I would any of the "Bi-Plane" birds I have to say.
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I think from the first day I joined the AH2 community (though membership has lapsed) I've been asking for more early war planes. I think they are needed but most of the replies I got in previous threads were "Shut it noob, WE want more LW planes, Not planes that cant keep up".
Nice to see a semi change in attitude.
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I think from the first day I joined the AH2 community (though membership has lapsed) I've been asking for more early war planes. I think they are needed but most of the replies I got in previous threads were "Shut it noob, WE want more LW planes, Not planes that cant keep up".
Nice to see a semi change in attitude.
It's something I've always advocated in the 8 years I've been playing AH, quite a few others as well. Hell, even one guy is tipping at windmills asking for a Spanish Civil War planeset [hehe Arlo].
ack-ack
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The french flew the later hawk75 with great effect...
(http://www.airshows.org.uk/2006/airshows/legends/photographs/hawk_1.jpg)
Isn't that an American made P-36?
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I think from the first day I joined the AH2 community (though membership has lapsed) I've been asking for more early war planes. I think they are needed but most of the replies I got in previous threads were "Shut it noob, WE want more LW planes, Not planes that cant keep up".
Nice to see a semi change in attitude.
The more people we see adding their 2 cents in a thread like this, the more attention it will bring to HTC. More attention and "wishes" may bring us a bad arse christmas present - An early war aircraft planeset upgrade :pray
Spread the WORD!!! Please
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Mathis
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Isn't that an American made P-36?
The CURTISS HAWK 75 is the "Export Name" for the aircraft. It really isn't a P-36 "per say" (that is the USAAC version) as the French had them constructed to different specs with some minor changes in equipment. The British did the same for the ones they perchased - they called theirs MOHAWKS. The Chinese AF purchased a version that had fixed landing gear to ease maintenance.
Essentially the same design though.
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Any of you aircraft designers see a possibility in any of these for early war aircraft additions? Htc?
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here are some EW planes ive dug up in one of my books.
Henschel hs123 (close support aircraft) introduced to service 1936
Gloster Gladiator - 1937
Fairey Firefly - 1941
Dewoitine D.520 -1939 (Served with French airforce, then german airforce and Italy and late war allied french units.) Would be nice to see a french plane that did see ALOT of service.
Fiat CR.32 and CR.42 1935 and 1938. Italian Bi-plane fighters.
A5M Claude (Its been suggested before but meh cant hurt to list it)
Morane-Saulnier MS.406 1939 (another french fighter)
Polikarpov I-15/I-152/I-153 1933 and subsequent variations.
Polikarpov I-16 1938
A few or all of these and previously mentioned Early War fighters are desperately needed. I know most people dont fly EW because the plane set is limited to like 10 flyable planes, IF all the ones in here were to be added, we'd have at least 25 - 30 planes... and It would even be fun to use em in the LW arenas for the hell of it.
(Some dates may be slightly wrong, its late and reading my book for info while squinting could result in mistakes, feel free to correct them if I am wrong)
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bump for great justice
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Relorian,
Add the Ki-27 and Ki-43 to your list of early war aircraft.
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Hey guys even though I have never flown in early war I would love to see some of these early planes. I think if we were to get some I would go to early war at least once to try it out hell I might go even if we dont' get any. I am looking for new things to do I am kinda getting tired of the LW thing. With that being said I will not leave Aces & 8s so I will continue to fly LW the most. But I might see ya'll around :salute good luck with the planes.
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yup,
I've always felt that the hawk would be a better addition then the buffalo if we could only get one....
Brewster was superior to Hawk ;)
But I'd be happy to get either of them sooner and the other one later :) .... and some Polikarpovs for dessert.
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I've always felt that the hawk would be a better addition then the buffalo if we could only get one....
Brewster Model 239 was faster at all altitudes, rolled better and had better armament compared to the Twin Wasp engined Hawk. Of course there are other considerations than performance alone but Brewster was the better fighter aircraft.
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Ok, these are nice, but earlier versions of the Yak, Lag and Mig would do far more for completing the tiny Russian planeset.
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Nice Relorian!
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Is there any other's that could be added to the list of potentials?
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if the p40 ever gets remoddeled they could use the basis of it for a p36,basicaly the p40 was a
p36 with a inline engine.
that way we could get a new plane as well as 2 revamped ones
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if the p40 ever gets remoddeled they could use the basis of it for a p36,basicaly the p40 was a
p36 with a inline engine.
that way we could get a new plane as well as 2 revamped ones
NIce thought... Would be a great addition.
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Is there a new patch comming? I see thee's a new t34 and the F6F!!! Or are these added when they're finished - no patch?
WOOOOT!!!
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A new HTC focus is at hand, and perhaps these may be more feasable than we previously thought? Eh? :pray :D :pray
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Would be nice to see them. Bi-planes would give a new taste to the game.
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Would be nice to see them. Bi-planes would give a new taste to the game.
Love to see them so sexy. :D
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Id love to see some Biplanes. :aok
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I'd like to see the;
I16
D520
KI43 - oscar
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then u would be crying about getting shot down by p-47's---when they say early war,they mean early ww2 not ww1
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then u would be crying about getting shot down by p-47's---when they say early war,they mean early ww2 not ww1
Nobody has said anything about a WWI addition... Further, I'd be laughing at the P-47s trying to get my six in one of the lighter more manuerverable early war planes. ;)
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Would be nice to see them. Bi-planes would give a new taste to the game.
I'd like to see some of the planes that I originally posted in another thread about early war planes. I would like to see some of the countries that fought in '39-40 be represented as well. Some would think that only 5 countries fought in the war by just looking at our current plane set.
Ack-Ack's early plane wish list (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,237866.0.html)
ack-ack
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This is my wish list for the planes I would like to see eventually added to the game. Yes, it's mostly slanted towards early to mid war planes but that a large gap in the current plane set. Yes, I do realize that some will come in here to post how such and such a plane will be a hanger queen in the LW arena. Well, duh. These planes will help fill out the large hole in the early war set and fill up some gaps in the mid war but mostly help flesh out the EW arena.
ETO
Ju-87B-1
Do 17Z-2
P.Z.L. P.11
P.Z.L. P.37 Los B
P..Z.L. P.23b
Ca 310 Libeccio
Gloster Gladiator Mk II
Gloster Gauntlet
Fokker G.1A
Morane-Saulnier MS.406
He 111H-2
Fiat BR.20M
Beaufighter Mk I
Blenheim Mk IV
Hampden Mk I/TB.Mk I
Westland Whirlwind
SM.81 Pipistrello
Ju 52
Martin Maryland Mk II
Fairey Fulmar Mk I
Fiat CR.32
SM.79
Breguet Br.693
CANT Z.1007
Dewoitine D.520 (with both French and Regia Aeronautica skins)
Reggiane Re 2001 CN2
G-55/1 Centauro
Polikarpov I-15
Pe-2
Yak-1
MiG-3
LaGG-3
Yak-7
Lisunov Li-2 (w/ordnance option of VUS-1 dorsal turret)
Whitworth Whitley Mk V
Halifax Mk II
Vickers Wellington Mk.XIV
Stirling B.Mk III
Martin Maryland
Martin Baltimore
PTO
Ki-27
Curtiss Hawk 75
G3M2
G4M1
Brewster Buffalo (B-339)
Ki-21
Ki-48
Ki-49-IIa
Ki-46-II
Ki-45
Ki-44-IIb
Ki-43
J2M3
B6N2
ack-ack
I agree ack-ack. Nice post sir, and hope we get some in the future.