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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yenny on June 27, 2008, 06:35:03 PM
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Hey first of all <S> Bud, that was a GREAT fight. I reviewed the film and I think I made a good call on that shot. I was worrying that I might have HO ya when you brought it up. When I fired, it was to my instinct to recognize the shot as a high deflection shots. As you can see at 400 yards out, I was at your 2 clock. As we close to under 100 yards I went to your 1 clock. I hesitate to fire and waited to 150 yards before I was sure it wouldn't be a HO shot. I'm glad I took the shot as I review the film.
Watch the film at slowed down pace, you can see my plane coming at you from 2-3 clocks and fire at your side as you go pass, you can see the rounds strike to the side.
http://files.filefront.com/KOTHahf/;10828721;/fileinfo.html
Salute,
Yenny
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk237/Pular/Bosco1.jpg)
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk237/Pular/Bosc2.jpg)
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk237/Pular/Bosco3.jpg)
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk237/Pular/Bosco4.jpg)
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk237/Pular/Bosco5.jpg)
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk237/Pular/Bosco6.jpg)
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Cheap shot.
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That last pic is sweet yenny!! :aok
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It's not my intention to be argumentative. I see how that is, indeed, a front deflection shot. However, I would have called that a head on shot. The angle off his nose really is almost trivial.
Having said that, to each their own whether or not to take that shot. For my money, if you're going to take that shot, you might as well take a head on (your definition) as well, since in either case you're not really maneuvering for a rear aspect shot.
Just my opinion, and everybody's varies on this type of thing. No right or wrong answer.
See ya,
Toonces
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It's not my intention to be argumentative. I see how that is, indeed, a front deflection shot. However, I would have called that a head on shot. The angle off his nose really is almost trivial.
Having said that, to each their own whether or not to take that shot. For my money, if you're going to take that shot, you might as well take a head on (your definition) as well, since in either case you're not really maneuvering for a rear aspect shot.
Just my opinion, and everybody's varies on this type of thing. No right or wrong answer.
See ya,
Toonces
I think Bosco said that it was a HO, he may have had some guns on him from his angle of attack. Which I do not know.
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It's not my intention to be argumentative. I see how that is, indeed, a front deflection shot. However, I would have called that a head on shot. The angle off his nose really is almost trivial.
Having said that, to each their own whether or not to take that shot. For my money, if you're going to take that shot, you might as well take a head on (your definition) as well, since in either case you're not really maneuvering for a rear aspect shot.
Just my opinion, and everybody's varies on this type of thing. No right or wrong answer.
See ya,
Toonces
We're on a loops or so, both doing about 150 knts and under I think, and pulling hard Gs.
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aim guns at enemy plane, fire guns ,kill enemy plane :rock
whats wrong with that?
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Only real men fly the pink spit :)
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Heh, poor Bosco. He got owned by the deflection shot, eh. :P
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aim guns at enemy plane, fire guns ,kill enemy plane :rock
whats wrong with that?
word
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HO
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:rofl two good turning fighters and they ho each other :rolleyes: you may want to fly B5Ns next time :P
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I've only been here a few months........and I do NOT get this "ho" thing. I assume it means a face to face shot.......and in close proximity fighting.....(ie battle).....what's wrong with that?
I can understand if you want to take a purist attitude........but that should be dedicated to the dogfight theater.....
Heck......if I run out of ammo and I can knock a bomber down to save my team bases by crashing into it.......all's fine in love and war.
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I can understand if you want to take a purist attitude........but that should be dedicated to the dogfight theater.....
King of the Hill is just that.
Pretty cheap shot if you ask me.
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Yenny, if you are going to come on the board and make a thread like this to "clear your name" everytime someone makes a complaint/remark/whine against something you did on 200, then maybe you ought to just squelch cross-country text altogether. You destroyed the enemy plane. The enemy plane did not destroy you. Consider yourself to have the last laugh and just let it go.
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It's generally considered better taste to not take shots like that in duels and koths, you had plenty of position to saddle up by the look of those screens shots.
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really cheap shot
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Yenny, if you are going to come on the board and make a thread like this to "clear your name" everytime someone makes a complaint/remark/whine against something you did on 200, then maybe you ought to just squelch cross-country text altogether. You destroyed the enemy plane. The enemy plane did not destroy you. Consider yourself to have the last laugh and just let it go.
I dont think he nor Bosco123 finds it serious, IIRC Bosco wanted to just see what it was from his point of view, no anger between them.
KOTH is already over, it's not as big of a deal as you guys are making it out to be.
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IMHO, thats a HO, I would have held off.
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I'm not worry about it, was just giving Bosco the angle I had on the shot. It was one of those moment in a fight where I think to myself should I fire or should I not. It was a really high angle deflection shots snap shot, we both were pulling G. I didn't really have a shot at Bosco til I was 150 yards from him as he flew pass my gun. You guys should watch the film, it's a really good fight. Base on my view, he had no gun solution on me.
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Looks like a cheap shot IMHO.. The screen just before your hits on him, he is at an angle where he could have continued and taken a HO shot on you. Looks to me, like he turned to avoid the HO so it gave you a "slight" deflection shot, which IMO was a cheap one to take in the DA.
In the MA if you were out numbered then take the shot if you have too. However in the DA that's just a cheap shot.
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Looks like a cheap shot IMHO.. The screen just before your hits on him, he is at an angle where he could have continued and taken a HO shot on you. Looks to me, like he turned to avoid the HO so it gave you a "slight" deflection shot, which IMO was a cheap one to take in the DA.
In the MA if you were out numbered then take the shot if you have too. However in the DA that's just a cheap shot.
Yea, your right. Maybe he had to break to avoid the HO, which created the deflection. I don't know, it was a quick split second decision on my part as his plane passing my guns.
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Looks like a cheap shot to me too based on the screens.
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whats the problem? Looks like bosco is blazing away also..Or are those round impacts from yenny?
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The Ho shot has always been up for interpretation and debate. I say make it simple.
NOSE to NOSE is a HO
ANY Angled Deflection shot not a HO ....with the exception of Hard rudder use on a passing plane to get your guns on him but thats still kinda up for debate.
Any angles earned in a maneuver to put your guns on an enemies forward wing or cockpit should never be considered a HO IMHO .
Yenny wins, the rest of you opposer's are just complainers, soar loser types or agitators :lol
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Looks like a cheap shot to me too based on the screens.
You need to watch the film not judge by that one pic. Those are hit sprites on Bosco's guns BTW
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HO
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I posted it in the other, but here it is from my angle. It was a deflection, but only because I made it a defection, I pulled a little less to avoid the collision and thats what I get for it. :p
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SALUTE BOSCO! :rock and your right. You did make it a deflection shot.
Ho's also seem to be more about timing than intent. If you were a little quicker bringing you nose up or yenny faster getting his nose down there would have been no complaints.
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lol look at these people calling it a deflection and snapshot....HA even if you guys want to call it that just understand that it was a cheap 'deflection' or 'snapshot'.
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Ho!
Yenny your lossing respect with me posting these type of 200 tiffs.
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Ho!
Yenny your lossing respect with me posting these type of 200 tiffs.
Yep.
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I posted it in the other, but here it is from my angle. It was a deflection, but only because I made it a defection, I pulled a little less to avoid the collision and thats what I get for it. :p
WTG Bosco123. I'm glad you came in and told your point of view and we now see that it was a deflection and that you ACCIDENTLY made it 1.
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It's not my intention to be argumentative. I see how that is, indeed, a front deflection shot. However, I would have called that a head on shot. The angle off his nose really is almost trivial.
Having said that, to each their own whether or not to take that shot. For my money, if you're going to take that shot, you might as well take a head on (your definition) as well, since in either case you're not really maneuvering for a rear aspect shot.
Just my opinion, and everybody's varies on this type of thing. No right or wrong answer.
See ya,
Toonces
agree, srry yenny, but to me, that looks like a hoe
-BigBOBCH
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Ho!
Yenny your lossing respect with me posting these type of 200 tiffs.
This was my fault, I asked him to post somthing from his point of veiw, and I told him to I was going to post somthig from my point of veiw.
If you guys want to blame someone, blame me.
<S>
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No blame on you. Yenny is just jumping on the idea of posting everyday incounters to have his name in lights on the bbs.
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No blame on you. Yenny is just jumping on the idea of posting everyday incounters to have his name in lights on the bbs.
nice ownage!
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I dont think he nor Bosco123 finds it serious, IIRC Bosco wanted to just see what it was from his point of view, no anger between them.
KOTH is already over, it's not as big of a deal as you guys are making it out to be.
This was my fault, I asked him to post somthing from his point of veiw, and I told him to I was going to post somthig from my point of veiw.
If you guys want to blame someone, blame me.
<S>
My point exactly, Quit making it a big deal. Good lord... :rolleyes:
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No blame on you. Yenny is just jumping on the idea of posting everyday incounters to have his name in lights on the bbs.
Nah BBS is a good way of communication outside of the game. He requested the SS from my view, so I post it. Mutual agreement from both side. I don't care what people think. I only post when someone request it =).
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IMO getting the deflection shot on someone who has the courtesy to break to avoid the HO/collision is just as bad as a straight out HO.
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HO
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IMO getting the deflection shot on someone who has the courtesy to break to avoid the HO/collision is just as bad as a straight out HO.
Also in the heat of combat, you just can't tell if that person is lacking the air speed to pull up which create the angle or they r liberately forcing their nose down to stay out of the piper. There are a lot of factor processing in a split of a second. The window of opportunity to create a shot only last for split of a sec, sometime I make a good call sometime I make a bad call. I only fired at 150 yards, and it was like a split second shot, about 5 cannon rounds fired. Now base on what Bosco told me, then It was a bad call on my part. At the time I take a shot, it seemed like a good call given the info I knew then.
This is where BBS comes in, so we can discuss what happen from both our view.
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Which is why you just don't take 'questionable' shots, especially in a DA situation.
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Which is why you just don't take 'questionable' shots, especially in a DA situation.
Varies from situation to situation.
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Varies from situation to situation.
I know, that's why I said 'in a DA situation'.
Generally I try not to take a HO unless I'm 100% sure that the con is at 80-110 mph and hanging on their prop, or even better stalling. Even then I try to restrain myself from the shot in a duel.
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I know, that's why I said 'in a DA situation'.
Generally I try not to take a HO unless I'm 100% sure that the con is at 80-110 mph and hanging on their prop, or stalling. Even then I try to restrain myself from the shot in a duel.
Aye, but in this case. Another party could come in and bnz us any seconds because it was Koth. So taking opportunity shots become priority because of time restriction.
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Aye, but in this case. Another party could come in and bnz us any seconds because it was Koth. So taking opportunity shots become priority because of time restriction.
I haven't played in KoTH in a long time but isn't it against the rules to pick someone who's engaged like that?
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Nope the rule is to go to the nearest fight and keel stuff if you are not in combat. So picking or get down and dirty are all out there on the table. Can't extend for more then 30 seconds, and can't break 6k alt.
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and no winging or having someone destract others.
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Oh well.If it was a KOTH situation we all know anything goes.Good kill in that particular instance. :rolleyes:
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King of the Hill is just that.
lmao :rofl :rofl :rofl
Thanks for that one.
You see yenny, the problem I have with this shot, and situations like this when I'm in them, is that bosco could have easily (it seems) pulled into you to negate your ho (or else shoot at you if he saw you shoot at him). The thing is, he choose to ease up a little and remerge, because it's evident that you guys would have collided. You took advantage of that, and shoot him in the face and cried oh no it was a deflection shot, see..!!
Whenever I get in situations like this, whether its in a duel, or a friendly meet with someone else in the ma or whatever, and we get into a situation like this, I could always have pulled a tad harder and brought my nose up just a tad so that we both had our noses on, but then we would collide. If that happened, that equals fun fight over. So inevitably, I don't go nose on so that we don't collide, and the other guys shoots me in the face (or stabs me in the back, take your pick), and then quickly call out mind you, not a ho, not a ho, it was a deflection shot!! Well not watermelon handsome, but you only got that "deflection" shot because I choose to try and keep our fun duel alive by moving out of our collision course instead of holding my guns on you, and you took the cheap shot on me... which is basically what I saw in this.
donkey
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A quote from a great man.
"You HO twit"-Skyrock.
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It's kinda like this shot vs. the Niki which the majority of people think it was a valid shot.
http://files.filefront.com/K4vNikiahf/;10752173;/fileinfo.html
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n/m
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Could you post the film then?
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Could you post the film then?
It's in the front page.
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It's in the front page.
D'oh!
Yenny, Bosco was going 177 mph when you hit him... he could have easily pulled up and returned fire. You were pulling 2 G's and I can't imagine he was pulling much more. Blackout is what, 6, 7 g's?
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He's on half an elevator. I didn't really have a gun solution til 150 yards out. He was going about 40 knts faster then I was, so I was cutting way inside his loop.
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He's on half an elevator.
Well, he still had enough elevator authority to make you snap stall in the turnfight with a slipper tank on, and later on to make a split second adjustment in an attempt to avoid the HO.
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Come on guys let this thread just go to second page and be done with yenny...
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One of the reason I made that shot was because it had been discussed on a previous thread if those shots were valid. And usually I can't tell if that person is not able to pull the G, and giving me a deflection shots.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,239225.0.html