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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Fencer51 on June 28, 2008, 08:31:27 AM
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P-39Q of 68 GIAP
(http://www.51hangar.net/fencer/P39Q1.jpg)
(http://www.51hangar.net/fencer/P39Q2.jpg)
Airacobra I of Guards Capt. Bochkov, 19 GIAP. I.V. Bochkov was shot down and killed in aerial combat on April 4, 1943.
(http://www.51hangar.net/fencer/P-39D1.jpg)
(http://www.51hangar.net/fencer/P-39D2.jpg)
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:aok :aok
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NICE!
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AWESOMEAGE!
I think that is a word, if not, it should be.
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Sweet!
A bit of a request for a plane I will never fly, but I'd like to see one of Pokryshkin's P39s in game.
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Sweet!
A bit of a request for a plane I will never fly, but I'd like to see one of Pokryshkin's P39s in game.
Make one w/ all the stars of the kills he had. :D
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I like that second one :aok
Nice job Fencer.
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:aok Very nice!
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Nice Work! :aok
Really like the 19th GIAP skin - not the usual "Plane OD" as you see on most Ruskie Cobras.
:salute
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Some very nice P-39 skins Fencer. It is unusual to see a VVS plane with red stars on the upper wings, are you sure that's right?
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I am sure of NOTHING when it comes to these skins. I have only a photo of the Q and a profile of the D and a couple small photos, as well as very few reference materials on Russian aircraft.
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There's a pretty good write up of VVS P-39 markings here:-
http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Markings/P39/color_mark_1.php (http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Markings/P39/color_mark_1.php)
The winter camo'd P-39s shown here look like an interesting project too.
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Thanks Greebo.
I had seen that site, it does talk like the Q would have had stars on the upper wing(s) ala US standard from the factory. P-39s on show at several museums in a semi restored state seem to bear this out (airliners.net). If however you think otherwise please state so.
As to the Airacobra I there would have been an RAF roundel of some sort on the upper wing. Would they have painted it out and left it, or applied a star. And this for one wing only? Should I remove the stars from White 15?
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I'm always a little suspicious of modern warbird schemes, models, or profiles for that matter. The standard VVS scheme was for no stars above the wings, but there were exceptions.
I've had a look through my books and on the few photos of Lend Lease aircraft that show the top of the wingtips and there are no stars, just painted out Western insignia. But thats half a dozen photos and only one of a P-39, so not really a representative sample. Cit's default scheme was of a plane dragged out of a lake recently and this had no stars above the wings.
So I don't know if your Airacobras had stars above the wings or not, but my guess would be probably not.
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(http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Markings/P39/p39d-white39-138427.jpg)
This is an interesting one.
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Osprey Aces #36 has a description of the paint for the Airacobra I on page 80. They painted out the british markings and put red stars over them. I will continue looking for the Q's info.
As for the Q this is the best reference I have so far.. http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Bell-P-39Q-Airacobra/0479349/L/
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nicely done as always <<S>>
Regards,
Hammer
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please submit those skins! and if you fancy, make some of the US skins too :)
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Fencer,
THe VVS site is the most authoritative I have found, the analysis of the colors is the best around. They've got Russian color chips, too. The Airacobra I should be standard RAF green/gray camo, earlier P-400s were sand/spinach, also standard RAF scheme. You should be able to use the standard RAF fighter template.
If you look carefully at the picture of White 67 in Osprey 36, p82, you'll see the tail behind the stripe is a different color than the rest of the airplane. I think the forward part of the aircraft is Russian green and the tail is OD. Just MHO. p73 of Red Stars 4 has a clearer picture of the aircraft where the foward fuselage is obviously a darker green than the tail. The vvs site sees it differently, there is a discussion of this aircraft on this page toward the bottom:
http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Markings/P39/color_mark_1.php
Although sources indicate US delivered P39s had red stars on the upper wings, I have several photos of P-63s that do not, indicating Bell figured it out at some point. p72 of Red Stars 4 shows a P39 with an upper wing star, but the photo is captioned 1948. I think the majority of the early deliveries had the upper surface markings painted over.
I have Red Stars 1 and 4, Osprey 36 and 74, P39 Detail and Scale and couple of other books, and I know I have seen a picture of a Russian ace signing an autograph on the wing of a P39 where the US star has obviously been painted over with a Russian star ( but I cant find it at this moment, of course, I'll keep hunting ). I'm with Greebo. In 99% of cases paint out the British/American markings with the nearest Russian color, but no red stars on the upper wings.
Last, of course, never trust a drawing to be accurate.
I intended to do the sand/spinach, a gray/green and the overall silver P-39s, but I just don't have time at the moment to attack them. I've been working on a base template for a while, but I'm just starting. Good luck! If I can find some time, I'll scan some examples for you.
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Fencer, Greebo,
Red Stars I, ( The Finnish one ) p 62, Porishkin's P-39, has a white-bordered star on the upper left wing. It is obviously larger than the painted out ( US? ) roundel, by about 3 or 4 inches. The other upper-surface pictures n that book show the right wing, none of them have stars on the upper surface. I'll scan when I get time and post it.
Mongol