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Title: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: BiPoLaR on July 03, 2008, 03:59:02 AM
ive shot Tanks 20 times point blank and they smile at me. just had it happen again. whats going on here?
this is for all Tanks...ive had it happen with every GV in the game. can ya fill me in Skuzz?
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: The Fugitive on July 03, 2008, 06:34:24 AM
Your aim sucks?

Seriously, it depends alot on where you are hitting them. If you think something if flaky film it and send it to Skuzzy. There is a lot of info in the films that we don't have access to and they can tell exactly what happened.
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: mike254 on July 03, 2008, 09:53:24 AM
The same thing has happened to me and other people in my squad. Often times I will be in a sherman and I will hit a panzer in the turret and nothing happens. Then I hit him 1-3 more times and nothing happens. Then he swings his turret around and kills me in 1 shot. This has happened to me at least 5 times over the past 2 months, and i don't GV alot. I'll get a film of it one of these days.....
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: BiPoLaR on July 03, 2008, 12:48:02 PM
Your aim sucks?

Seriously, it depends alot on where you are hitting them. If you think something if flaky film it and send it to Skuzzy. There is a lot of info in the films that we don't have access to and they can tell exactly what happened.
I think i know what im doing  :aok
nothing wrong with aim
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Kermit de frog on July 03, 2008, 01:04:46 PM
I think i know what im doing  :aok
nothing wrong with aim

maybe your aim is bad
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Spikes on July 03, 2008, 03:50:37 PM
maybe your aim is bad
Erm...I can back BP up on that one. He has very good aim and knows exactly what he's doing.
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Dimebag on July 03, 2008, 04:50:43 PM
Recently I have had problems killing ww's while in a tiger. Can turret a ww in one hit,sometimes it takes 2, but often killing them takes 3-4 hits.  That's not right, is it?

dime
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Spikes on July 03, 2008, 05:22:59 PM
well IIRC killing Wirbles and Osti's is different because they have that thin turret...basically the AP round goes right through it. You have to hit them in the butt or front to actually kill them, from my experience.
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: SPKmes on July 03, 2008, 05:33:49 PM
I have noticed that hitting the front end of anything absorbs rounds, it shows as a small dot of a sprite, happens when turrets are hit also ...for me that is. Now I go for the sides and bellybutton end. for an example, is was in a tiger, shooting at a T34, 15 rounds to the front end (AP) then got killed. Upped another found T34 killed it, waited for his return, 1 shot centre of tank on the tracks ...dead.
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Marshal on July 03, 2008, 06:12:07 PM
I have noticed that hitting the front end of anything absorbs rounds, it shows as a small dot of a sprite

If you are seeing a small sprite when the round hits the enemy GV it probably ricocheted off and did not cause any damage to the enemy GV.
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Bosco123 on July 03, 2008, 06:53:37 PM
Bip,
I'm curious to know how many shots it took for the other guy to kill you. That is were you will find your answer.
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: BiPoLaR on July 03, 2008, 07:08:57 PM
Bip,
I'm curious to know how many shots it took for the other guy to kill you. That is were you will find your answer.
1 shot every time.
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Kermit de frog on July 03, 2008, 10:50:17 PM
Bipolar, if you want, I can take you to the TA and show you how to aim in a GV.

Or maybe you can check your flux capacitor.  Sometimes that get's lose and will screw up your aim.
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Motherland on July 03, 2008, 10:52:09 PM
I hate it when bugs get in my tank. Just make sure your bug spray has plenty of deet for those pesky mosquitoes.
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Husky01 on July 03, 2008, 10:56:23 PM
Bipolar, if you want, I can take you to the TA and show you how to aim in a GV.


 :lol
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: 1701E on July 03, 2008, 10:56:52 PM
Or maybe you can check your flux capacitor.  Sometimes that get's lose and will screw up your aim.

Maybe his Plutonium ran out.  Just rip off some Libyans :aok.
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: BiPoLaR on July 03, 2008, 11:50:27 PM
Bipolar, if you want, I can take you to the TA and show you how to aim in a GV.



i need it...im a n00b  :D
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Bosco123 on July 04, 2008, 03:24:07 PM
1 shot every time.
Yup thats conclusive.
but I have that happen to me every time I'm in a GV. Take 4 shots to kill a M4 but 1 M4 shot kills my Panzer.
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Sincraft on July 15, 2008, 10:36:47 PM
This goes hand and hand with when you shoot at an airplane , tons of lead hitting him and he flies like nothing hit him.  Then other times, KABOOM in a nano second.

Collision / prediction code needs work imo.
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Pannono on July 16, 2008, 01:19:35 AM
what gv were you shooting at/what gv were you in/what part of enemy gv were you shooting at (rear, side, turret, front, etc)
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: BiPoLaR on July 17, 2008, 01:42:29 AM
what gv were you shooting at/what gv were you in/what part of enemy gv were you shooting at (rear, side, turret, front, etc)
i know where to shoot tanks and with what ammo loadout and with what tank...thats not an issue...the collision detection is the problem
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: FireDragon on July 17, 2008, 10:38:33 PM
I think it has something to do with lag not necessarly the tanks.... Some nights I can shoot a pazer point blank in the side with m4 and nothing shoot again and nothing then one shot and im dead. One shot is the way it should be  but dang I shot twice.  Also I like the ones were u shoot them one time  then just before your gun reloads they fire then they die as the bullet is in the air then you die...  so the one shot was placed in the right spot but lag gives them at least a few seconds to fire back
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Winks on July 22, 2008, 09:40:59 AM
Bipolar, if you want, I can take you to the TA and show you how to aim in a GV.

Or maybe you can check your flux capacitor.  Sometimes that get's lose and will screw up your aim.

whats ur convergence set at on ur flux capacitor
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: BaldEagl on July 22, 2008, 10:07:41 AM
All I can say is the Wirbles are built too tough.  I hit one 7 times one night without killing it.  Then someone bombed it and I got an assist even though I had him smoking.

BP... I can show you how to aim if you'de like  :D
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Pyro on July 23, 2008, 09:51:03 AM
Where's the film?
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: BiPoLaR on July 23, 2008, 05:38:21 PM
Where's the film?
Mr Pyro let me go through all my films and ill be more than happy to send them to you
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: 1epic1 on July 26, 2008, 01:04:40 PM
What you all are failing to realize is that it depends where you hit a tank...you can shoot a tank 100 times in the same place, but if their is nothing but metal to hit nothing will happen. I am not sure how HTC models the tanks, but im guessing if you dont hit the gas tank or ammo compartment in the tank nothing will happen...why? because metal doesnt make a tank blow up. Which explains why you can shoot the guy 15 times and he kills you in 1... OMG HackeR!?!

no, grow up...first of all its a game, calm down,
second learn where to hit a tank
third your not the only guy who has had this happen to you
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: macleod01 on July 26, 2008, 02:36:37 PM
I got another one. Was GVing in a panzer the other day and a WW upped. I fired and hit him in the turret, nothing, not even smoking. Yes I was using AP. Again, nothing. 7 shots later (No exageration) he drove through me, then reversed. I fired Point blank range for the 3rd time at the turret, nothing. I aim at his Chassais, kill. 8 shots to the turret and I dont even smoke him! Something wrong there!
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: OOZ662 on July 28, 2008, 10:20:00 PM
Maybe his Plutonium ran out.  Just rip off some Libyans :aok.

 :rofl Oh man, I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that...
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: 1701E on July 29, 2008, 12:39:10 AM
I think the WWs you people are mentioning are Doc, and the Panzers (Libyans) want their Plutonium back.  Oh god they found you, i don't know how but they did. Run Marty!


Yes i love the BttF movies. :aok
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Scca on July 29, 2008, 10:48:37 AM
I have found if your too close, the rounds have no effect.  I have one shot tanks 3k yards out, but 5 shots point blank and nothing..
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: JHerne on July 29, 2008, 11:19:31 AM
The 17 pounder in the Firefly was a devastating weapon. The problem with hitting a WW or OW turret and having nothing happen, is that the gun mount is smack in the middle. Hitting that mount will definitely set off an AP round.

A 75mm causes stuff like this to happen...

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/jherne/tigers/Pz4destroyed2.jpg)
This Pz IV was destroyed by a T-34/76

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/jherne/tigers/SturmgeschutzIIIAusfG.jpg)
This StugIII was killed by a Firefly near Arnhem. The AP round went straight through. Didn't blow up, but the concussion killed everyone inside.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/jherne/tigers/german_tank_destroyed_by_french_47m.jpg)
This Panzer IV was killed by a 47mm French gun...not even a 75mm.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/jherne/tigers/blown_up_t-34.jpg)
This is what happens to a T-34 when hit with a 75mm.

I realize there's some playability issues that have to be considered...it is a game...but hitting damn near anything with a Tiger, usually results in a dead target. Hitting a WW, Pz IV, Sherman, or T-34 (especially the T-34/76), as long as it's not a glancing shot, was usually fatal. The brute force of the 88mm hitting the target usually disassembled the target...kinda like hitting an apple with a sledgehammer.

Jeff
(who does this crap for a living)

Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: DCCBOSS on August 01, 2008, 10:44:56 AM
I also have seen similar events with tanks and sometimes planes especially when have some one 200 out and on their 6-o'clock and no damage occurs it seems that the bullits go right through them. :noid
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: OOZ662 on August 01, 2008, 09:15:55 PM
In that case, they probably are. A number of video settings, mainly Vsync, are attributed to either "rubber bullets" or loss of hit detection.
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: angelsandair on August 02, 2008, 08:02:22 PM
Wait till Dr7 or Rondar complains. THEN it's about time someone does something about it.


(dont forget BIGPAT :D )
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: 442w30 on August 02, 2008, 08:47:19 PM
I was in the TA one day helping a squaddie learn some GV techniques.  Have you heard people in the MA say that their rounds are going right through the target?  I saw how this happens.  We were about 800 apart and I was putting rounds right down his gun barrel.  I would see a dust plume behind his tank and he would say that he never got a sound that would have demonstrated a hit.  So he sat there as I filmed this so I could send it to Skuzzy and I shot 6 rounds or so down his barrel with the same result every time.  My film of that is on another computer so I can't send it right now. Someone remind me later...
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: Scca on August 04, 2008, 06:24:30 AM
I was in the TA one day helping a squaddie learn some GV techniques.  Have you heard people in the MA say that their rounds are going right through the target?  I saw how this happens.  We were about 800 apart and I was putting rounds right down his gun barrel.  I would see a dust plume behind his tank and he would say that he never got a sound that would have demonstrated a hit.  So he sat there as I filmed this so I could send it to Skuzzy and I shot 6 rounds or so down his barrel with the same result every time.  My film of that is on another computer so I can't send it right now. Someone remind me later...
I wonder if the no damage setting in the TA contributed to that?.  Did you try in the DA?
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: 442w30 on August 04, 2008, 09:42:09 AM
I wondered that too but assumed that it wasn't the damage setting for the TA because he never heard the ping as he did when I'd hit him elsewhere.  Of course that assumption could be wrong.  I didn't try it in the DA.

Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: BaDkaRmA158Th on August 04, 2008, 12:48:57 PM
As far as i know, no one** can be hurt/killed in the Training arena, no matter what. "Save a plane crashing, or gv rolling down hill till driver dies". However, your target should have still registerd sounds and such as being Hit, but who knows how exactly it works, just passin' the buck on.




Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: mef4ud on August 10, 2008, 01:04:30 AM
I've shot Tanks 20 times point blank and they smile at me. just had it happen again. whats going on here?
this is for all Tanks...I've had it happen with every GV in the game. can ya fill me in Scuzzy?

I agree about the bugs, but what is worse is the score dweebs that exploit them for their benefit.  They know they are in a bugged tank and they "fight on". A perfect example of this would be ALASKOP.  Tonight he came in on V32 in a Tiger, survived the initial attack and proceeded to set up in the hanger to camp the base.  There must have been 15-20 guys shooting AP,HE, MG rounds and he just would not die.  Then to add insult to injury he was told by many people and do you think he did the honorable thing?  OFCOURSE NOT! He just sat there and fired.  Only after he had expended ALL he rounds did he end flight.  I know it is a game, but really does your need for selfvalidation entail exploiting a known bug to pad your score?

Maybe I am expecting too much.  What happened to this game, or more specifically to us, the players.  When did it become about rank and score?  I remember when people were out to test their skill Vs. others, when it was considered honorable to let a guys fly home if he called bingo or winchester, when the whole purpose of the game was to HAVE FUN. 

End of rant! :mad: :furious

Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: morfiend on August 10, 2008, 12:44:32 PM
As far as i know, no one** can be hurt/killed in the Training arena, no matter what. "Save a plane crashing, or gv rolling down hill till driver dies". However, your target should have still registerd sounds and such as being Hit, but who knows how exactly it works, just passin' the buck on.






  Bad,this isn't exactly correct. Have a friend bail from their plane and drop a 1000lb bomb on them.
 Bet ya send them to the tower. I think damage is set to 0.001 not 0 so 1000 rounds equal 1 round.

 Course this is just heresay and not admissable in court!!!!  :o
Title: Re: Tanks are full of bugs
Post by: peterg2 on August 13, 2008, 09:37:41 PM
I was in an m8 on the beach shooting AP rounds into the side of an LTV. I must have hit it 15 times, varying the placement of hits, from the front to the back. I was getting full flash hits most of the time. And then a teammate straffed it and blew it up. I got an assist. I couldn't tell if it was landing craft or tank. But, 15 hits? I've taken out tank LTVs with a couple of hits to the front in an M8 with AP's. Are the LTV's side armored?