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Title: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: MjTalon on July 03, 2008, 06:25:18 AM
I'm curious this morning  :), does any other squadron use the Brevity Code while communicating in game?  I'm in the process of teaching my squadron, AArch AAngelz the effectiveness of using it.  Does any other personnel uses it as well?

It's quite effective because it limits chatter on vox, and if  you already know the meaning of most of the Brevity Code glossary, it's quite easy to understand what is being told.

Anyone have any other opinions about using the Brevity Code while flying with squadmates?
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: angelsandair on July 03, 2008, 06:39:53 AM
I'm curious this morning  :), does any other squadron use the Brevity Code while communicating in game?  I'm in the process of teaching my squadron, AArch AAngelz the effectiveness of using it.  Does any other personnel uses it as well?

It's quite effective because it limits chatter on vox, and if  you already know the meaning of most of the Brevity Code glossary, it's quite easy to understand what is being told.

Anyone have any other opinions about using the Brevity Code while flying with squadmates?

 :huh
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: MjTalon on July 03, 2008, 06:44:09 AM
here's the link:


http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_008a.html


Sorry if i confused you  :D.
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: stegor on July 03, 2008, 08:01:14 AM
well let me spend my two cents here.
Once upon a time...... oh well, let's say if you are looking for a simulation that involves you in a wwII atmosphere, having a good squad, you will enjoy your time developing squad tactics and using/improving brevity code  (fundamental in scenarios), as well as formation flying.

If you are a "where is the furball" type you will not need/appreciate any other skill that is not "turn and spray".

If you think I'm too extreme and argumentative you are right; cause as I wrote in my first line once this was a  flight simulation.... :(
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: MjTalon on July 03, 2008, 08:42:52 AM
Well it still is. I'm just curious because I've flown with a couple of squadrons that uses the B.C ( Brevity Code ) and personally the best I've seen with communication are the 4th 'Debden Boys'.
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: Saurdaukar on July 03, 2008, 08:55:32 AM
You mean we're supposed to be calling out bandits and such over vox?
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: MjTalon on July 03, 2008, 08:57:28 AM
I think you just answered your own question sir. Your not supposed to but wouldn't it help if friendlies in the area knew about bandits? I'm just trying to figure out if any other squadron uses B.C as a form of communication over VOX. Not openly but in there squad vox/TS/Vent.
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: Saurdaukar on July 03, 2008, 09:07:26 AM
I think you just answered your own question sir. Your not supposed to but wouldn't it help if friendlies in the area knew about bandits?

Cripes.  This whole time I thought it was there solely to belittle others.
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: DDogs98 on July 03, 2008, 09:23:21 AM
Any squadron that uses (or develops a variation of) two-ship tactics has to communicate.  In the squadrons I've been in, it was easier to use the 'real' brevity codes rather than develop new terms.  With one exception.  Curiosly each squadron invented a word for "attacking" that was relevent to the squadron.  In one situation the attacking code was 'BONE!'.  In another is was 'Sheila'.  <-- apologies to all those Sheilas out there.

The range vox in Aces High has it's own loose vocabulary, but the most commonly used terms seem to be limited to 'check 6', 'dragging', or 'roping'.   Of course if you're roping an opponent, it's extremely useful for your 'range-mates' to understand exactly what that means.  hehheh...I once managed a spectacular, max-energy climb over a base with a smoking engine...chatting happily about the wonderful 'roping' I was executing while my range mates ignored the whole thing...at the top of the climb, my opponent 'sploded me...on film it looked like a fantastic fireworks mortar.  ssssssssssssssssssBOOM!  So...brevity codes in the strict sense are best used inside your squadron.

I applaud your instinct to understand the need for effective comms.  IMHO it should come hand-in-hand with developing your two-ship tactics.  One serves the other, actually.

- Raider
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: toonces3 on July 03, 2008, 12:08:39 PM
I'd say our squad 'sort of' uses brevity codes.

We may call in hot, or dragging, or such, but our vox chatter is alot more relaxed than what a typical fighter pilot would use in real life.

Our comms in this game are worlds better than real life radios, and the need to be absolutely brief is relaxed.

It's still a good practice to use radio discipline, especially in a scenario FSO where there are alot of us on, but I don't think we're as anal about using the brevity codes as we would be in a real life situation.
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: Spikes on July 03, 2008, 01:36:05 PM
Nah I don't. I just say "Hey check 6!" when their wing is off. I ALWAYS wait until their wing is off before calling a check 6.
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: Gooss on July 03, 2008, 01:38:22 PM
We use brevity code as needed.  Usually a "Brevity, please" over vox when things get tense.   :O

OTOH, when things are not that busy, there's no Brevity Code for "Are you kidding me?  It's only one Spit.  How can you need help?"
 :rofl

HONK!
Gooss
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: Messiah on July 03, 2008, 01:43:33 PM
The BK's have our own version of the brevity code, it involves a lot of alcohol, and an unrelenting desire to scream at each other over vox. 
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: Kermit de frog on July 03, 2008, 01:46:06 PM
The BK's have our own version of the brevity code, it involves a lot of alcohol, and an unrelenting desire to scream at each other over vox. 

You guys must have crazy wild nights in WoW.  You guys act the same way in AH?
 :D
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: texasmom on July 03, 2008, 01:53:05 PM
My squad has a woman in their midst.  Brevity?  LOL. Good one. :aok   :lol
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: Bucky73 on July 03, 2008, 02:32:17 PM
HA's have one vox code that pretty much describes all tactics....

It goes: Hey dumbazz....look out

Now this term can be used in a number of situations. It clears up our channel from chatter leaving us more time to talk about Angry's "turtle head" and things of that sort. :rock
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: SteveBailey on July 03, 2008, 07:27:37 PM
Quote
I once managed a spectacular, max-energy climb over a base with a smoking engine...chatting happily about the wonderful 'roping' I was executing

No offense.... but if the plane under you "splodes" you,  that wasn't a rope, and certainly not a wonderful one.  :)
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: MjTalon on July 03, 2008, 07:33:50 PM
Lordie, this thread is becoming quite humorous  :lol.
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: mtnman on July 03, 2008, 09:03:19 PM
My squad has a woman in their midst.  Brevity?  LOL. Good one. :aok   :lol

Hehe, brevity is kind of pointless if only one of you is yappin' anyhow...
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: Ghosth on July 04, 2008, 07:42:57 AM
Brevity? Not in our dogpack. :)

I don't mind the shopping lists, comparing cars, tools, etc.
But when Optiker starts singing it all goes downhill from there.
If you can imagine 14 332nd Flying Mongrels that can't carry a tune all trying to sing 3 different songs at the same time, badly.
Well you might get the picture.

Then someone spots an enemy and we knock it down to a slightly more normal level.  :)

I will admit I'm as bad or worse than any of them, except I don't try to sing, well, mostly. :)
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: ghi on July 04, 2008, 01:29:43 PM
my  transylvanian count Chocula accent mixed with few Heinekens doesn't need code to fool the spies,most players  don't understand me anyway
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: Anodizer on July 04, 2008, 03:31:05 PM
Nah I don't. I just say "Hey check 6!" when their wing is off. I ALWAYS wait until their wing is off before calling a check 6.

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: Anodizer on July 04, 2008, 03:32:52 PM
my  transylvanian count Chocula accent mixed with few Heinekens doesn't need code to fool the spies,most players  don't understand me anyway

Are you Romanian?  Vorbesti Romanesti?
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: DDogs98 on July 07, 2008, 09:21:41 AM
No offense.... but if the plane under you "splodes" you,  that wasn't a rope, and certainly not a wonderful one.  :)

No offense taken.  Wonderful is a matter of perspective.  The guy who 'sploded me certainly thought is was wonderful and was also mystified, probably, about the reasons he lived long enough to do it.  In any event I was shot up and defensive and in no shape to maneuver out of trouble.  I've used the term rope on many occasions in the game and got the desired result (teammate blasts the bandit while he is struggling to climb).

It taught me a valuable lesson about common terminology, however.  Some of us learned that 'roping' is a vertical scoring opportunity for a teammate. 'Dragging' would be the horizontal equivalent.  These terms are probably just a 'puffed up' way to say..."HEY I SCREWED UP AND I NEED HELP!!!".  Some folks seem to understand that and some don't.

I've done some flying lately that leads me to believe that check 6 calls are selective based on some strange and entirely mysterious pecking order.  Not surprising was that the sector I was flying in was having it's bases rolled up like a sod farm.

Ol' MJTalon is looking for justification for brevity codes. As long as he knows he will have to be bilingual it's a great idea.
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: Agent360 on July 08, 2008, 12:23:09 AM
Very interesting link. Seems kinda cool talking combat lingo. If we used it eventually everyone would learn it. Probably take a week or two and they would know every radio code used.

Better than ahhh ahhh ahhh hey dude i mean oh i cant read ur name uhh theres a uhhh think a spit on ur tail.  :lol  :lol  :lol

It would be cool to develop a specific aces high glossary. Would be a good topic for the aces high wiki.

Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: Kazaa on July 08, 2008, 11:02:19 AM
I picked up simple brevity when I started flying with my main man Bruv119 and The Few Squadron, something like:

<name>,<aircraft>, <position of aircraft in relation to the person who I‘m talking too on the clock face>, height.

<Bruv>, <La7>,<6 o’clock>, <High>

My brevity has improved ten fold after playing LOMAC for a short while, which is a modern day fighter jet simulator for those who are not familiar with the game. LOMAC doesn’t display enemy’s icons or even show them as dots on the map like in Aces High 2, so a simple “I SEE A DOT” doesn’t cut the mustard or you will 99/100 end up getting shot down or shooting a friendly down.

So yes, brevity is used on The Few’s Vent server quite often, when I’m around at least :aok
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: RTSigma on July 08, 2008, 11:29:35 AM
Brevity Codes work excellently in bars to inconspicuously check out women.

"Check skirt at 5 behind the fourtop"
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: ColKLink on July 08, 2008, 11:35:35 AM
WE GOT RADIOS?????? :eek:
Title: Re: Brevity Code Discussion
Post by: MjTalon on July 28, 2008, 01:31:01 PM
Brevity Codes work excellently in bars to inconspicuously check out women.

"Check skirt at 5 behind the fourtop"


 :rofl