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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: fscott on January 22, 2001, 05:51:00 PM
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HT came online today and stated that the Chog will not be perked. Good idea and I agree. We will need something to HO those perk dweebs.
Also, he said he was considering that a disco/lockup/dump will cost you 1/2 of your perk ride points if it happens while in your perk. Also said he may just leave it as is and you will lose all your points. Guess there's no way around it.
Question: anyone know if you lose your perk points by getting KILLED or just by getting shot down in your perk? When you die do u lose all your points it cost to attain the perk?
fscott
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Yaaaay!!!
HTC didn't buckle to the whining masses. Lock up yer daughters - Big Blue Lives!
Muahah. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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If you die in your perk kite you loose all points for it. That means crash, ditch, or bail out (all 3 are counted as deaths where scoring is concerned). The ditching counting as a death is why I'd like to see .esquealing anywhere inside the base perimeter count as a landing. If you get shot up and nurse the kite back to base but one of your mains collapses as you're braking to a stop you end up ground looped off into the dirt. Instant ditch(death), and if you're in a perk the loss of your kite and points, even if you survive to walk away from the landing (.ef).
I understand the delimma about discos/lockups. People would realize they're about to get thier tulips shot off and reset thier modems in an attempt to save thier score/kite. I suspect some already do (seen alot of suspicious smoke trails warping). But if the host takes a crap and dumps us out, like what happened with Savvis last week, I dinnae think that should cost you your points. But how to tell the difference? That's the problem.
Maybe costing half the points on a disco/lockup would be the best compromise. I dinnae think too many people would cause an intentional disco (or get into a situation where they'd think about if they're flying a perk kite for that matter), and some folks can't fly as much as others and takes them longer to save up points.
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Chog not perked? ROFL.
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Yeah I agree, anyone who is falling to earth in a ball of flames is gonna pull the plug on their modem so that they can keep half of their points instead of losing all of them. I think HT could probably put together some type of system where points will be rewarded back to everyone who was flying a perk just before a router crash. Don't think that would be hard to do?
fscott
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you have got to be kidding . back to the same old super hog.
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Chog not perked? Sounds OK to me, they're not that much of an issue anymore.
I'd like to see the Colonial Viper/N1ki perked with its inertialess drive system.
(Yes I had one of "those" n1ki experiences in the weekend, the one where u BNZ a n1ki with no E, he pulls a hard 360 and chases you in the zoom - catching you).
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WTG HT,
BTW Natedog slipped in his post about the La5 artwork and mentioned the La7. Meaning we will be getting an La7.
So if the C-hog is on everyones mind now just wait until we have an arena full of La7's and Tempest. I don't think anyone will care about the C-hog. And oh yeah, the F4U-4.
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Stop that Vulcan, 1/5 of your deaths are due to F4UC's.
Maybe because you didn't really encountered a lot of them.
I'm borred of fighting F4C's. I got 41 of them of my little 330 kills. I got killed by a F4C 2 times more than my second "highest killer" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
My bomber leader, barely able to dogfight likes it a lot because he can achieve kills in it, even 2/3 a run sometimes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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It's wrong to assume that there will be an arena full of perks. Hitech also stated that perks will cost anywhere from 50 to 2000 points. And don't assume that the $50 perks will be fighters either, could be bombers,or tanks...etc. I currently have 900+ points since this tour started. If there was a tempest availbale right now for $900, I may take it up for a spin at 40k but I won't be flying it to often.
fscott
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Tour12:
AKSWulfe has 40 kills and has been killed 10 times against the F4U-1C.
AKSWulfe has 15 kills and has been killed 2 times in the fw190A-5 against the F4U-1C.
AKSWulfe has 17 kills and has been killed 3 times against the F4U-1D.
AKSWulfe has 6 kills and has been killed 0 times in the fw190A-5 against the F4U-1D.
I can usually be found low and slow mixed up with these bad boys on the deck. They really aren't much a threat, most the time I run into one it's some poor mistaken fella who thought that all this talk of their uberness means they are actually uber... but they aren't. I want the -1C to stay in the arena, I need something to pad my score! <G>
-SW
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I asked HT about this and he stated that he said he didn't know whether it would be perked or not. The answer that he gives me certainly makes sense but your quote does not. Exactly what was said? As far as values on anything, that remains to be seen and is something that will fluctuate. Furthermore, bomber, fighter, and vehicle perk points are on separate scales and don't have any relationship to each other.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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with the new expanded stats you can check the F4c's total dominance of the arena...I for 1 am sick of it. PERK the dweeb kite!
hazed
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I don't see any reason why the La-7 would be a perk plane. It's pretty obvious that a lot of people don't know a heck of a lot about it.
It's not some ultra-late war uberplane that turned up in small numbers in 1945. It's a standard mid-1944 aircraft of similar overall competitiveness (I feel, though we won't know until it turns up) as the P-51D, Niki, etc.
And the La-7 isn't to the La-5FN what the Tempest is to the Typhoon.
For one thing, the La-7 HAS THE SAME ENGINE as the La-5FN.
Don't get me wrong, the La-7 will be a much more capable arena aircraft than the La-5FN, largely due to the extra gun, but it's an incremental evolution of the La-5FN, not a revolution in the design series.
They took an La-5FN and squeezed out 10-15 mph or so more speed with aerodynamic improvements and slapped an extra gun on. I don't see that making the La-5FN we currently have a perkable uberplane.
The skies of AH aren't exactly filled with La-5FNs now, and I don't think you'll see any more La-7s than you see P-51Ds or Nikis or DHogs or Spit IXs now.
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La7 will be much more popular than LA5, dont underestimate the addition of X# cannon in AH- if u dont belive me take a look at difference between 2 models of a certain US fighter and see fer urself.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy:
Stop that Vulcan, 1/5 of your deaths are due to F4UC's.
Maybe because you didn't really encountered a lot of them.
I'm borred of fighting F4C's. I got 41 of them of my little 330 kills. I got killed by a F4C 2 times more than my second "highest killer" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
My bomber leader, barely able to dogfight likes it a lot because he can achieve kills in it, even 2/3 a run sometimes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Out of 88 tiffie deaths 12 were from Chogs. Hardly stunning stuff considering the number of chogs in the arena.
Ponies have had their way with me more than chogs.
So even though proportionally I see more chogs, they are not #1 on the list for tagging me. Compared to my kill stats where Chogs, n1kis, and ponies are my tiffies favourite food, spread pretty evenly too :-)
p.s. how the f**k did I get a kill in a chute?
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Hitech was asked today if the CHog was going to be perked. His answer was no.
fscott
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Cool, we get an La7 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I think if its a perkie then it should be a low-value perkie - its a 1943 aircraft!
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Vulcan, <S>
I think you can get a manuever kill in just about anything. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) How many times has a C-47 killed you? or anyone?
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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Not "perking" C-Hog propably means that also Dora will be free (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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If you wont perk the C-HOG then dont perk the Tempest, the La-7, the Spitfire XIV and the 190D-9 with MW50.
I dont see how HTC can use double standards. And I want to see HOG-dweebs chased and killed by Tempest-dweebs for free (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Heheh, wonder who the whining masses were in the Chog-Perk-Issue... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hey Nash, had a couple of good fights with ya - no problem with a single CHog but very annyoed of their mass-appeal in the MA... (no, not Mass aka SAW)
Make it a low-price perk and balance will come back.
F4UDOA, we will never (well, except for the very first day) see an arena full of Tempests - perk cost of 500-1000, hey come on start thinking! I don't know anyway what you Big-Blue-Fanatics are afraid of you still have an almost identical twin, just without the Lazer-Cannons - is firepower all you can rely on?
<S> to the dedicated D-Hog drivers! These people are the ones who really love the big blue bird!!!!
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~Kirin~
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[This message has been edited by Kirin (edited 01-23-2001).]
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I will only say this (ok, flame me again)
If next tour is like this,full of blue flying turbolasers, be sure I will be packing my things to flee as soon as WWIIOL or IL2 are up. Is the only way I REALLY can make HTC note I HATE the Chog so much that it SPOILS my fun enough not to be back here.
Kirin, I agree. One chog is not a problem. 5 at a time are. And 5 hogs at a time is a very common sight in the MA.
(20% of kills and they dont perk hte !·$!%ing thing...sheesh...call that "concession for gameplay")
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Pretty bored with C-Hogs high here. They are not that hard to beat... but seeing only one plane gets quite old.
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You guys ever think they may rotate the perked rides? Or, determine the perks on some other basis then a fixed set?
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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Originally posted by RAM:
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I will only say this (ok, flame me again)
If next tour is like this,full of blue flying turbolasers, be sure I will be packing my things to flee as soon as WWIIOL or IL2 are up. Is the only way I REALLY can make HTC note I HATE the Chog so much that it SPOILS my fun enough not to be back here.
Kirin, I agree. One chog is not a problem. 5 at a time are. And 5 hogs at a time is a very common sight in the MA.
(20% of kills and they dont perk hte !·$!%ing thing...sheesh...call that "concession for gameplay")
Hmmm its almost an "I quit" post (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
OK RAM and the rest of the statistic quoting whiners consider this: You all admit that the arena is full of Chogs right? So we assume say 33% of aircraft are flown are chogs - too much? OK, 25% then?
So if 25% of the aircraft in being flown are chogs, and 20% of kills are getting racked up to chogs, then what does that tell you?
Chogs aren't getting their fair share!!!
IE if 25% of the arena flies chogs, and its this freaking amazing uberplane that even dweebs can get 3 kill runs in, then you'd expect it to rack up say 75% of kills.
For me the top 3 planes in AH right now are the Pony, the N1ki, and I have to say the tiffie (coz i luv it). I find the chog no more difficult than a Jug to kill.
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I think perk points is a somewhat dynamic arrangement to try to balance arena. In that sense, I don't mind which planes are perked at any given time. I found the cheap perk solution quite sensible, in order to cure the C-Hog disease, or any other arising in the future. It is utmost boring when you see a genetic-clean horde of C-Hog coming low from any CV. Not a single TBM's to make mud job, let alone Hellkitties..Zekes? you crazy?.
Plus, C-Hog encourage the no-brainer, fly-straight, Quake-minded style of playing. That's the main difference with N1K2. Not that N1K2 can be another cheap perk (maybe, maybe not), but just stating the difference in flying styles. Yes, C-Hogs are (roughly talking) easy preys. That's because you see more and more people T&B'ing with this bird against Zekes, Spitfires, N1K2.... Does it make any sense?. Only if yo think on newbies or Quakers giving all for a snapshot or a HO. Sad. I like this game because of its balance. You can tell whatever, but now (at least in terms of Arena appearance) it is NOT. Way too many F4U-1C. Of course, it's my opinion. I bet somebody out there thinks Quakebirds are still too low in numbers, and FW190-A8, Zeke, 109's, C205, C202 should be perked, better if banned.
Flame on,
Pepe
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Originally posted by Vulcan:
So if 25% of the aircraft in being flown are chogs, and 20% of kills are getting racked up to chogs, then what does that tell you?
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That one of each four planes I see is a Chog.
And that I am tired of it. gets REALLY old.
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And no, I am NOT starting a Poll (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) hehehe
Cheers,
Pepe
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Gee, I wouldn't mind to see C hogs be used more than D hogs..
it would be historically total BS and would take away all the reasons why not to add some rarer LW planes in the game without being perked.
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Yes, "what-if" for "what-if", will be nice to see C-Hogs togheter with late Yak-3s, MW50 powered 190A-8s, late Spitfire IX (I mean the 4'30" to 20,000ft LF model) to make FunkedUp happy, all togheter and not perked in the arena.
Few MW50 were mounted on 190's? Dont make me laugh now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
<EDIT> Ok, ok, the LF Spitfire is not a "what-if" at all. I dont want to become a criminal (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 01-23-2001).]
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Actually the standard Spitfires LF Mk. IX and Mk. XVI could get to 20k just as fast as the ones with 150 octane fuel, and were the most common version in Europe from mid-1943 onward. To compare them with the Chog is... criminal! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Kindered spirits.
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LOL Gatt!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well, you could just pretend that it is late 1945, that you fly for the LW, and the Americans have somehow lost their minds and have filled the skies with CHOG's instead of 51's! I imagine the LW pilots of late war were tired of ponies. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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I. Am. Sick. To. Death. Of. Seeing. Only. One. Type. Of. Plane. In. The. Arena.
For god's sake perk it.
BTW, it would be frankly stupid to perk the La-7. As people have stated above, it was more a revision to the La-5 not a revolution.
[This message has been edited by Dowding (edited 01-23-2001).]
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Everywhere I look I see CHogs. Considering the enormous numbers of people flying it, and the historical numbers of the aircraft produced, I would vote for it to be perked. If nothing else to make the arena more varied.
28% of my deaths are to the CHog.
Granted, I suck... but still...
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nm
[This message has been edited by Kratzer (edited 01-23-2001).]
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ram... wait a minute..... How can you quit when you're not even in the game? Didn't you quit months ago?
lazs
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I know, I know, I know..... but I will shut up hehehe. Now if u have a cuter sister than Ram's, I may trade and talk (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Contrary to what fscott insists on repeating, nothing has been finalized.
Originally posted by Pyro:
I asked HT about this and he stated that he said he didn't know whether it would be perked or not. The answer that he gives me certainly makes sense but your quote does not. Exactly what was said? As far as values on anything, that remains to be seen and is something that will fluctuate. Furthermore, bomber, fighter, and vehicle perk points are on separate scales and don't have any relationship to each other.
I for on hope that the F4U-1C IS perked. It isn't that hard to kill, but it is way, WAY, WAY to common.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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Originally posted by lazs:
ram... wait a minute..... How can you quit when you're not even in the game? Didn't you quit months ago?
lazs
This guy Is REALLY so stupid or he only seems it? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I don't mind flying them, I don't mind getting shot down by them and I don't mind seeing them.
Start another arena for ETO planeset and fill the PTO up with more pac planes and it will be a dead issue.
silly rabbit perks are for kids
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You guys should fly more H2H. I cant remember the last time I saw a chog. Its a gang bangers plane, and you are pretty much on your own in H2H. So you see very little of it there.
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If next tour is like this,full of blue flying turbolasers, be sure I will be packing my things to flee as soon as WWIIOL or IL2 are up. Is the only way I REALLY can make HTC note I HATE the Chog so much that it SPOILS my fun enough not to be back here.
Tick-Tock, Tick-Tock, Tick-Tock...
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Originally posted by Creamo:
If next tour is like this,full of blue flying turbolasers, be sure I will be packing my things to flee as soon as WWIIOL or IL2 are up. Is the only way I REALLY can make HTC note I HATE the Chog so much that it SPOILS my fun enough not to be back here.
Tick-Tock, Tick-Tock, Tick-Tock...
<wonders why Creamos standing there hold a door open>
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LOL creamo, vulcan
Be NICE to ram; he has cute sisters (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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Originally posted by StSanta:
LOL creamo, vulcan
Be NICE to ram; he has cute sisters (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Yeah but can you imagine it...
V: "Oh yeah babey, oh yeah RAMs Sister - thats it thats it almost"
RS: "I quit... your Throbbing-Manhood is Uber!!!"
(least its not blue)
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Good god, the CHOG not perked? HT must be on crack (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Last night we had a10 FLAT , our cv parked right besides it and 3 goonies on the way.
I was in a lancaster (had flattened vh, bh and fh's) above it.
While we waited for the goonies to drop a couple of n1k's came high and shot me down. Fair and square, I came up in a hellkitty from the CV.
We had about 4 friendly fighters over 10 at that point, the skies were clear of reds. 1st goonie arrived and by an incredible amount of bad luck the vh came up and LO and Behold! 6 or 8 OSTWINDS all spawned and overran the field. Goonie died.
Being mighty pissed off after being shot down by the ostdweebs I took off in...yes you guessed it.. the blue corvette with thy holy turbohispano.
50% fuel, no ordenenance. just guns.
In 3 passes I get 2 flakpanzers... then died. 2nd upping in chog gets me a 3rd flakpanzer. By this time the VH is down and the fp's are all dead.
With 200 rnds left the 2nd goonie arrives. 3 n1ks and a 190 come from 9 and start harrasing. Lo and behold, using my best skills acquired in WING COMMANDER I turn the chog at near stall and spray the general area where a n1k is following one of my buddies. His distance: 1.0d. Spray... 1 ping hit and THWACK! Out goes that n1k's wing. 1 kill and 120 rnds of turbohispano left.
HO the next n1k and down he goes in flames. 80 rnds left.
Then the horror begins. one of 10's FH's goes up and IMMEDIATELY 6 to 8 n1k's spawn and kill the goon.
Last 80 rnds spent in killing 2 more n1ks before I lawndart while following a n1k in a stalling turn (point and click remember?).
Up again, 3rd goon is 3 minutes out and hiding in fleet. N1k's have been kept at the deck. Using almost all my turbohispano I bring down the FH. Friends begin upping with ordenance. Sure enough, BH and the other FH comes up, a couple of TBM's and a zeke try to up, I get the zeke and a TBM with snapshots while I turn the blue wonder. BH and and FH brought down.
Goon lands and field taken.
Im really sad I couldnt film this take. It is the PERFECT example of why the n1k, ostwind and Chog should be perked. I in my CHOG (I think 2 or more of my countrymates were in it too) HOing and snapshot killing everything that I could WING COMMANDER my nose into, OSTWINDS coming up in hordes and killable only by CHOG and kamikaze bombing attacks, n1k hordes being used as ackstars and they too HO'ing and snapshot killing capability plus the 6 or 8 people using the n1k's to nearly defeat the 14 or so attackers coming from a nearby cv!
It was sickening. It is sickening. The fight for that field was like being back in MS Combat Sim and in FIGHTER ACE. Arcade point and click, no ACM whatsoever.
If AH is to become like this, and it WILL if these planes are kept unchecked I may as well go back to Fighter Ace which is cheaper.
Quit post? Time will tell.
[This message has been edited by Tac (edited 01-24-2001).]
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"Tick-Tock, Tick-Tock, Tick-Tock..."
SOB
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Im really sad I couldnt film this take. It is the PERFECT example of why the n1k, ostwind and Chog should be perked.
Can I predict the future or what? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)...
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Damnit! What is wrong with you people?
The F4U-1C might get perked (and it might, HTC hasn't decided yet) not because it is to "uber" (it isn't) but because a full 20% of the kills in the MA are done by it. It is so common that it is distorting the perk point reward system.
BTW, the N1K2-J in comparison, is responsible for about 7% of the MA kills. That is one third of the F4U-1C's kills.
You guys keep insinuating that the perk possibility is due to the anti-F4U-1C whiners. It isn't, so please stop pushing that myth (or maybe you think that if you repeat it often enough people will believe you). The N1K2-J is not going to be perked because it is not having anything like the effect of the F4U-1C. It doesn't matter how much people whine about it, if it keeps in the 15% of kills or below range it will NOT be perked. The F4U-1C is at 20% and HTC is only considering perking it.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 01-24-2001).]
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Damn you Ripsnort.. you must have the AH almanac or something for the future!! :-)
Chog doesn't need to be perked.. since my last posting of my stats (see above in this thread) I have come up with this:
AKSWulfe has 42 kills and has been killed 10 times against the F4U-1C.
Notice, two more kills than I had last time.. no more deaths.
AKSWulfe has 16 kills and has been killed 2 times in the fw190A-5 against the F4U-1C.
And 1 more kill in my trusty Fw for no deaths vs the -1C.
So that gives me a 4.something:1 k/d overall vs the -1C and a 8:1 k/d in the Fw vs the -1C.
Majority of these were through just outflying the guy, not vulching or sitting up high on some perch waiting for my chance to pounce.
I'm an average AH player, don't have as much time as a lot of guys having problems with the -1C in the main arena but I don't have problems with the -1C.
Fact of the matter is, guns are just weighing down the plane unless the pilot actually has his gunsight on you!
Am I right? Of course I am, guns are useless unless the shells can hit you.
AKSWulfe has 8 kills and has been killed 2 times in the fw190A-5 against the N1K2.
Now this little hot rod gives me the fits. It doesn't need to be perked though.
I fly what I like because I have an admiration for WWII airplanes. I have several books on the subject, I don't care much for the ground war(but I do know my history on it). I read a lot about the Luftwaffe, the VVS, the USAAF and the RAF. These planes tickle my fancy as the phrasing goes. I would hate to see a plane that is indeed NOT some sort of super plane be removed from the game just because it's a common plane. Planes that DO need to be perked include the TA-152, P47M(it's a fast fat bastid ;-), P51K/H(which model are we getting anyway?), Me262, maybe a few Yak series, the Ki84(I guess.. not really sure it worked out fine in WB though not perked!!), and a few others that I know of but don't care to list. I could go on and on about the planes that WILL be added in here someday that will be absolutely amazing in comparison to the F4U-1C and the N1K2. And they will most likely _NOT_ be perked because of large production runs and how common they were.
I admit, I didn't like the -1C pre-1.04 because in those days it was very difficult to escape it's guns. Now the flight model is, by HT's calculations(which I don't doubt in anyway, he's done this before remember..), modelled as properly as it can be on a PC. Now all it requires is a little SA, a little maneuvering and maybe a little luck and I can kill them easily.
I've been doing this long enough(playing air combat games) to understand that people will always go for the plane with a percieved advantage. I don't, and that's fine by me. This game, to me, really isn't about seeing who's got the bigger set but it's about flying planes from a bigone era.
Well anyways, I don't want to bore you with how much I enjoy this game because of it's recreation of WWII(minus the war attrocities!).
What we need to do is shift from the MA mindset and go back to creating scenarios. I remember in WB I always looked forward to the scenario lites(held weekly) where a certain air battle was recreated and played out. There the planes were within their own realm, fighting planes they were designed to fight and doing things they were designed to do. The MA is a free4all with teams, you can't deny someone their favorite ride there. Scenarios are what it's really all about if you want parity, trust me. Been there done that and it's a blast!
Ah forget it, this won't change anything but atleast I will have presented it to you guys so you can atleast get my point of view. (which should be viewed as neutral, I like all WWII airplanes.. not the faction it fought for)
Ripsnort, whenever I get enough money to attend one of these conventions I want to hear what you REALLY think about all this anti-this, anti-that nonsense! ;-)
See you guys in the MA, that is if I can see through my burning plane! :-)
-SW
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SW,
Its not about how powerful it is or how easily in can or cannot kill you (or me).
It is about simple logistics. It is TOO common.
All this talk of what your stats are against it is just a smoke screen. Nobody's kill/death ratio has anything to do with it.
I agree that it would be preferable if there were another solution, but I sure can't think of one. Can you?
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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The N1K2-J is not going to be perked because it is not having anything like the effect of the F4U-1C.
That's because the F4U1-C is still here. Simple logic and experience in other sims give credence to what Rip is saying. Take the chog away and it's 20% and it will just move to the next alleged uber AC.
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Following that logic, the ideal way to stop the CHOG being so unbalancing is ... don't perk the Tempest (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Karnak:
SW,
Its not about how powerful it is or how easily in can or cannot kill you (or me).
It is about simple logistics. It is TOO common.
Yes I agree it is too common. However, you perk the Chog and the next plane to have percieved advantages in some or most categories becomes the more popular ride. It's just the way the arena works. Too many people play this game to say "I'm better than you", and that leads to competition. When you get into a competition you want whatever gives you an edge over your opponent. Therefore, like Rip said, the N1K will be next. Followed by the Spitfire IX(don't believe me, fine.. but I flew WarBirds and in the early days it was the SpitIX, then when the F6F came out.. that was it.. then when the Fw-190A4 came out.. that was it.. then when the P38L came out.. that was it.. then when the Fw-190D9 came.. out that was it.......).
Unless you can enforce players to actually want to fly the lesser aircraft (ie: a better score multiplier per plane not based on perk points), then you won't have much variety. It's only when you get guys who like a particular aircraft or who like them all will there be variety. So, if you fly an F4F3 you should have a set multiplier so you get more points(perk and not), then when you kill a plane, you get the value that plane is worth times the worth of your plane. The more popular a plane, the higher the worth of it being shot down but the lesser of the worth of killing in it. The perk system solves half the equation, but as far as the actual scoring system goes you should have a multiplier to inspire people to want to actually try something new.
Until then, you run into the problem discovered in AW, then WB, and now here: The majority here are just here to shoot guns and see things blow up. They'll use the plane that gives them a good number of cards in the deck to ensure that they win.
Perking it isn't the answer, giving less points in reference to the scoring system *IS* a part of the solution for killing in a more popular plane and more points to guys who kill a more popular plane in a less popular plane(or lesser ability plane).
-SW
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Why on earth do people keep trying to insist that there will be just as many Nikis after the CHog is perked as there were CHogs, and the Niki will immediately have to be perked, when that argument has been repeatedly destroyed?
That flies TOTALLY in the face of all avaliable evidence.
1) Niki can't be flown off carriers
2) Niki is far from the best jabo or tank killing choice
3) We're likely to get several other aircraft fairly soon that quite likely won't be perked, that are competitive with the P51D/Niki/Spit IX group, including the La-7.
Yes, the Niki will become the aircraft with the most air to air kills if the CHog is perked. That is beyond question.
But it will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER come CLOSE to the Chog in total % of arena kills, or sorties.
Anyone who thinks all the CHog kills and sorties will all instantly become Niki sorties if the Chog is perked is using about 1 brain cell.
The current CHog sorties are gonna end up getting split among the Niki, DHog, Hellcat, Typhoon, perhaps even the P47 to a small degree.
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"But it will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER come CLOSE to the Chog in total % of arena kills, or sorties."
Heh, you just wait and see.
"Anyone who thinks all the CHog kills and sorties will all instantly become Niki sorties if the Chog is perked is using about 1 brain cell."
Use your 1 brain cell for a moment. N1k has a MUCH better FM than the CHOG..its way unreal imho. The only reason why you see CHOGS all the time is because their cannon is better, its blue, carries more ordenance and is carrier capable.
They wont go into typhoons because the tiffie is not forgiving at stall speeds and is not for "point and shoot" wing commander'ish flying. Chog and N1k seem to have been designed just for that... plus the tiffie has FAR less ammo, so they cant spray and pray in it.