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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Angus on July 09, 2008, 07:36:33 PM
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Been trying the stick of so many private planes for the last couple of years, and I seem to fall for the low wingloading.
Tried Airospetale Socata. Too sluggish, but stable
Tried Cessnas...nifty but don't perform nice enough
Tried Pipers...Cherokee % Arrow...stable and....sluggish.
Now getting beyond something that needs practically 60 kts for takeoff and hundreds of yards..
Tried a 95 hp Jodel model 1960 or so. A dream.....needed only some 100+ yds for takeoff and only wanted to fly....stallspeed some 40 kts with no flaps. There are none, just airbrakes.
Yesterday, a Kitfox with only 65hp (Rotax) ultra. No flaps, but trailing edge slats. Takeoff 50 yards or so, stall speed 28 English miles...
Very effective rudder, relatively light controls, slats make the turns a bit funny (pitchy) but stall....where is the stall???. Climbs, and flies....and lands....I was shocked with the quality.
Your thoughts?
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Get a husky.
http://www.aviataircraft.com/husky.html
I fly a A-1b and love it!!!!!! :aok
I have a blue and white one N470HP, It was the first a-1b to have an O2 system installed.
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Well, that's...180 hp. But looks very nice;)
For that power I'd go....for this one :D
(http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/Images/Pics/Flying/bradfieldLG.jpg)
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Well, that's...180 hp. But looks very nice;)
For that power I'd go....for this one :D
(http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/Images/Pics/Flying/bradfieldLG.jpg)
i think somewhere in...arizona? someone built a 1/2 or 3/4 scale FW190 powered by a continental engine from a cessna.........
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:huh too much power :huh
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I mean...gas is expensive, and it's lovely to have a plane that just "hops" like that, ond once in the air, flies like at 90 miles while using very little fuel. And the handling was very nice!
65 hp that takes 2 men off on 50 yards of grass,,,,that is good!
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true very true...my gas bill is big :cry
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Out of curiousity...how much for the hour?_
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Aircraft wish I could afford more than one. :cry I have been trying out different aircraft for 18 months and can't find the perfect one yet. Before gas prices went crazy I was looking at a Ptwin. 6 kids the wife and I make 8 not so small people. Now I am looking for a T210 only because I don't like the airlines and need to do traveling for my bussiness. The Kitfox is a wonderful small aircraft, the one I was around the prop turned reverse but a beautiful flyer and CHEAP. The little rotax burned very little. Wish I could get into one now. My Dad is building a Murphy Rebel, its his third build, next step up from the Kitfox. Have fun looking :O I do. :salute
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I haven't flown all that many aircraft personally, (Not powered anyway), mostly Cessnas, but my dad bought a Samba XXL Motorglider last year and Ive been flying that lately. Posted stall speed is something like 25 kts. I was doing 18-20 this morning full-flaps just fine. (There was a slight headwind, granted, but not much). Cruises at 120 kts, burns 4.5 gallons per hour, and has two 13-gal. tanks. It's posted range (Thought ive never tested this) is 1,000 miles. Climbs from 1000 fpm to 1500 fpm with a small rotax engine. Also has an 18:1 glide ratio with fully featherable prop. MISERABLE to land, an I mean I would rather try to land a cessna without ailerons than this thing sometimes, but when shes in the air shes a dream. I havn't really pushed her to the limits, (She has a balistic chute, but I dont have $130,000 to replace it if I break it) but today I really ran her dry. Got her up to 135 kts level at 150 ft, took off in what seemed like 8-12 yards and just had a part in the sky before I leave.
(http://a256.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/94/l_180101a27ec9cf0818baad17f8a732d7.jpg)
(http://a756.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/95/l_11c0d25d6c1842c03ad3660a8f28bfb3.jpg)
(http://a142.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/77/l_e742f8a77416f819ba41c307e5d0ec9d.jpg)
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Out of curiousity...how much for the hour?_
These are rough numbers and obviously wieght, alt, fuel quality, and weather play a big role, but it gets a little better than 8 gals/hr(aviat says 7.4..not mine) the other day fuel was about 7 bucks a gallon here(miami) so $56/hr. Again these are very rough numbers but should give you a good idea.
It has a 50 gal tank that in a perfect world will get you 980 miles. it cruises at 140 mph(120 knots). It will land and takeoff with in 550 ft(with a fat friend in back).
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Oh dear, here the gas is almost two bucks per liter, so the low burning engines ae really worth something.
The kitfox would do some 8 litres for the hour I gues...so $16 is the guess.
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$16....wow i could actually go somewhere :confused: .......
My father has a really cool rotax powered seaplane(flying boat style). I know it has great performance numbers, I only flew it once but I know its really fuel efficient, plus you can land on water or land....I'll call him and ask what it is.
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I've heard of it, but haven't found it. Well appreciated.
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i cant get a hold of him, his retired butt is probly flying it, so I cant verify but I am 95% sure this it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZHBgpNbDtI&NR=1
http://www.searey.com/
I like this one too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEEDYHiYE30
http://www.sea-plane.com/Aero%20Adventure/Home.html
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I'm going to build one of these...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEDJ-H8l3hk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY36B3NG_Z8
$30k or so to build. VW power burning about 4gph @ 130-150mph. Stalling @ 40mph full flaps.
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:aok that looks like a fun little plane :rock
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Avfuel is getting very very very.........very very............VERY expensive depending on which you use.
That is why so many are going with VLJ's instead of turboprops in many situations.
Fuel costs are not going down. There is really no alternative to aircraft like a hybrid that is going to keep you aloft.
Personally I think that people that own aircraft that complain about fuel prices is like people you complain about the gas prices while they puff down 2 packs a day at $5 / pack.
It's a personal decision that you have to decide what is important to you.
If you fly for fun and own or fractionally own an aircraft, I'm sure you realize that the maintenance and ownership costs are FAR more expensive than fuel.
Now if you fly it persistent for business reasons, well I can't imagine that there are many companies out there that aren't scaling back their hangars and staff to save. Think how much it costs for a lear to go 1 thousand miles, two ways, three or four times a week! YIKES!
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VLJs and Turboprops burn the same type of fuel. Turboprops burn less of it than straight jets. If fuel was the issue then you'd be better with the turboprop.
The total net worth of these people who own/operate business jets fuel costs are not the issue as much as the fuel availability. As long as there is fuel to be burned, those who operate the jets will burn it.
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VLJs and Turboprops burn the same type of fuel. Turboprops burn less of it than straight jets. If fuel was the issue then you'd be better with the turboprop.
The total net worth of these people who own/operate business jets fuel costs are not the issue as much as the fuel availability. As long as there is fuel to be burned, those who operate the jets will burn it.
I would love to have that problem "should I buy an efficient turboprop or increase the size of my manhood with a jet" :rofl :rofl
Right now I am having are hard time convincing my self to spend the extra money on the airplane and fuel or drive.
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http://krnet.org
I'm attempting to get on with building a variant of one of these :)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/sarahjeanb/Peters/3view.jpg)
2 seats. 1250lbs MTOW. 210HP Subaru EJ25T on MOGAS. Electric MT Prop. retractable gear.
Very bloody fast.
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It is a labour of love. My Dad loves buying tools too much to stop building. KR2 is a nice affordable aircraft that you can go for a burger in. It is too small for my frame :cry
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It is a labour of love. My Dad loves buying tools too much to stop building. KR2 is a nice affordable aircraft that you can go for a burger in. It is too small for my frame :cry
Do what I'm doing and widen it to 44" the original is only 38" across and it is a little cramped :) I'm doing an S but it's actually an XS since it's also going to be 23" longer than standard. There is a lot of proven mods available for this airframe, it's also the basis for the Lancair and Gary Morgan's Joey2 and Cheetah aircraft.
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My Dad wants to put a harley motor on his Rebel. I have tried to talk him into a lycoming but he is stubborn hope I don't catch that :rofl :rofl http://www.murphyair.com/murphyair/default-2.html (http://www.murphyair.com/murphyair/default-2.html) I personally don't have the time to build but in a few years when I retire :aok
44" across that is good but what about the useful load?
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The useful load 2 up is not much. Solo you can take a small tent, enough clothes for a weekend along with your basic equipment and still have room for a little bit extra, there is just not much room for it. The KR is not really a touring aircraft more of a sports plane :)
Has your Dad thought about using a Roetc Radial on his rebel? they look and sound awesome! I looked at one for mine but just will not fit neatly :(
http://www.rotecradialengines.com/
http://www.rotecradialengines.com/customers/RodOGarey.htm
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Sd I am a pretty healthy size :rofl probably have to fly one up all the time.
Rotec will check it out now. We have looked into Rotex and they are too much money. :cry
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Bought a O-320E2D for the Rebel but thanks for the information :salute
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that rebel is going to cruise with 150hp!, mush better than the Harley Motor!
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Yes. They claim it will be off the ground at gross in 300' and climb at 1200' per min. I am looking forward to getting it flying. Then next would be the floats. :aok
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sweet :aok
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Look here.
Videos and stuff.
http://www.fkm.is/
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cool videos but the part between the videos and the top of the page is that a competition of some sorts. :huh I can't read it. :(
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It's...Klingon :D
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It's...Klingon :D
NICE, can't read that either, have to ask the ex wifes grandma she is Icelandic. :aok
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Really!
Anyway, isn't there an online translator that can roughly do this? I can also help you out browsing the videos.
They quite surprized me. Nice work done there.
BTW it's one of the most active flight clubs in the country. Some of those (I suspect) are involved in building a "Flight Farm" nearby. And on odd occasions, some friends land on my fields, and take me for some rides ;)
It would be more if it wasn't an insurance matter. You need some kind of "field" insurance here, and since it's pricey, not all take it.
It's a bit sad, there was a registered runway some 300 yards away from me, and it was never as smooth as my fields. Well, I grow turf for cutting, so it must be smooth...