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Title: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: eagleheartone on July 12, 2008, 12:28:16 PM
In the intrest of of the arena, I would like to know why A72 was reset last nite shortly after it was taken down around 9pm ctrl time.  There were Axis on at the time that we took it down, except for the last hanger when they logged off while we were en route for the last fh. (which is said to be of legal or by the rules).  Axis were in and out, and we were even outnumbered a few times.  SO, I would just like to know, has the time for hanger's changed from 24hrs, to what..........??

If the moderator's and Staff decide to change the rules, they need to post it so that Everyone  knows of the changes, and there would be no questionable thoughts as we proceed witht this finale round.

Aslo, I have noticed that kills are not registering in the stats, has that been a problem for anyone in the AvA. 
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Shifty on July 12, 2008, 12:50:29 PM

If the moderator's and Staff decide to change the rules, they need to pos it so that Everyone  knows of the changes, and there would be no questionable thoughts as we proceed witht this finale round.

 
Eagle it could be any number of glitches that caused it. Just because it happened doesn't mean The Evil Staff reset it.
Maybe just inquire about the status first, without pointing fingers and screaming foul will get you an answer quicker.
I don't blame you one bit for asking, but everything that happens you want to accuse somebody in the staff of cheating you.
They're doing their best this is all new stuff. :)
<S>
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: eagleheartone on July 12, 2008, 01:29:24 PM
Sorry Shifty you are wrong again, Fork said "he reset the system", shortly after he left we noticed that A72 was reset.  If your not there, don't speculate on what you don't know.  Ask, and someone that was there will be gladly to tell you.  I even talked to jester about it when he popped in a few minutes after fork left.   So, you need to cool your heels, and  LISTEN, instead of just pumping the threads with nonsense on issues you have not even asked about.  Not being sarcastic, but you seem to push your idea's on everyone else......  don't work with me.

<S>
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Motherland on July 12, 2008, 01:31:32 PM
Sorry Shifty you are wrong again, Fork said "he reset the system", shortly after he left we noticed that A72 was reset.  If your not there, don't speculate on what you don't know.  Ask, and someone that was there will be gladly to tell you.  I even talked to jester about it when he popped in a few minutes after fork left.   So, you need to cool your heels, and  LISTEN, instead of just pumping the threads with nonsense on issues you have not even asked about.  Not being sarcastic, but you seem to push your idea's on everyone else......  don't work with me.

<S>
Does anyone else see the irony in this post?
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Shifty on July 12, 2008, 01:42:50 PM
Does anyone else see the irony in this post?

LOL my bad. THE SKY IS FALLING!  :lol

Sorry Eagle you scream wolf so much I missed the poodle.

I never doubted A72 was reset just your habit pushing your idea the staff is out to screw you.

Wrong about your hand wringing whining? I think not, you prove me right with every post you make.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: oakranger on July 12, 2008, 02:04:52 PM
Well, now that somebody posted it up instead of me handling it privately with Fork, why did he do it?
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: E25280 on July 12, 2008, 02:46:35 PM
Well, now that somebody posted it up instead of me handling it privately with Fork, why did he do it?
Obviously, just to piss off Eaglehrt.
























<<EDIT>> oops, forgot the  :noid.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: oakranger on July 12, 2008, 03:02:15 PM
The reason why i want to deal with it privately instead openly, so we wont look like whiners and create another issue.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Damionte on July 12, 2008, 03:43:36 PM
Obviously, just to piss off Eaglehrt.
<<EDIT>> oops, forgot the  :noid.

 :rolleyes: :lol :D :rofl

I'm not particularly laughing at you eagle. this was just a very well timed joke. :)



















Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: eagleheartone on July 12, 2008, 05:43:14 PM
You know what shifty... I havnt a clue who you are... see my name is my sign in... and right now I can careless what you think, or what you think you know.   Me cry wolf....... let me tell you this...... If I see something that don't look right, or by the rules.... you damnnn well better be prepared for me to say something.............. All I see right not is the Axis....YOU cryin and whining ... and then when things like this happen in the arena... you try to cover it up with... you always crying wolf....da  da de la la deeeeeeee dahhhhhhhhhh..  SO take your self right out of the Big Boy talk and go to the little boy's room in the corner. 

Now... I WANT an Official reasone why A72 was RESET last night............... according to the rules it was suppose to be down 24 hrs..... why was it RESET........................ ..... And not it was not an act of GOD,or weather.......... I was there in the arena when this happened....

AS a paying member ....  I want an EXPLANATION... now that this Fool has pissed me off with his stupidity... yeah you shifty.

Eagle
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Motherland on July 12, 2008, 05:44:58 PM
AS a paying member .... 
You don't pay for the services of the AvA. All the staff is volunteer, not on the HTC payroll.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Shifty on July 12, 2008, 06:20:57 PM
You know what shifty... I havnt a clue who you are... see my name is my sign in... and right now I can careless what you think, or what you think you know.   Me cry wolf....... let me tell you this...... If I see something that don't look right, or by the rules.... you damnnn well better be prepared for me to say something.............. All I see right not is the Axis....YOU cryin and whining ... and then when things like this happen in the arena... you try to cover it up with... you always crying wolf....da  da de la la deeeeeeee dahhhhhhhhhh..  SO take your self right out of the Big Boy talk and go to the little boy's room in the corner. 

Now... I WANT an Official reasone why A72 was RESET last night............... according to the rules it was suppose to be down 24 hrs..... why was it RESET........................ ..... And not it was not an act of GOD,or weather.......... I was there in the arena when this happened....

AS a paying member ....  I want an EXPLANATION... now that this Fool has pissed me off with his stupidity... yeah you shifty.

Eagle

You need a new twig, I think that one just snapped.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: eagleheartone on July 12, 2008, 06:53:22 PM
I understand that they are all volunteer's, and it is much appreciated in all that they do. <S>

But.......... there was a decision made to reset A72..... for what ever reason it must have been.  We want to know why.  That is the simplest it can get. 

Eagle
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: oakranger on July 12, 2008, 06:54:42 PM
You know what shifty... I havnt a clue who you are... see my name is my sign in... and right now I can careless what you think, or what you think you know.   Me cry wolf....... let me tell you this...... If I see something that don't look right, or by the rules.... you damnnn well better be prepared for me to say something.............. All I see right not is the Axis....YOU cryin and whining ... and then when things like this happen in the arena... you try to cover it up with... you always crying wolf....da  da de la la deeeeeeee dahhhhhhhhhh..  SO take your self right out of the Big Boy talk and go to the little boy's room in the corner. 

Now... I WANT an Official reasone why A72 was RESET last night............... according to the rules it was suppose to be down 24 hrs..... why was it RESET........................ ..... And not it was not an act of GOD,or weather.......... I was there in the arena when this happened....

AS a paying member ....  I want an EXPLANATION... now that this Fool has pissed me off with his stupidity... yeah you shifty.

Eagle


Eagle, i think you better zip it before slash band you on BBS
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Shifty on July 12, 2008, 07:06:15 PM

Eagle, i think you better zip it before slash band you on BBS

Eh let him go, he's just frustrated and venting, he's not hurting anybody. We all do it sooner or later.  ;)
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Chemdawg on July 12, 2008, 07:21:39 PM
Yeah....been there   :aok
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Mister Fork on July 12, 2008, 08:34:57 PM
Umm I flew 7 C-47'S last night and it resupplied the field.  What else did you want to know Eaglehrt?
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Fencer51 on July 12, 2008, 09:18:08 PM
Umm I flew 7 C-47'S last night and it resupplied the field.  What else did you want to know Eaglehrt?

 :rofl
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: flatiron1 on July 12, 2008, 10:09:43 PM
My understanding was hangers could not be resupplied. What happened to that?

I would enjoy this arena a lot better if everyone was informed of the settings in the beginning and when any changes are made other than the weather.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: oakranger on July 12, 2008, 10:26:56 PM
Umm I flew 7 C-47'S last night and it resupplied the field.  What else did you want to know Eaglehrt?

Hold on there.  It was my understanding that once the hanger are down, resupply will not get them back up.  When did this change?
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Motherland on July 12, 2008, 10:33:49 PM
I see some peoples' senses of humor are malfunctioning...
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: VonMessa on July 12, 2008, 10:35:39 PM
I see some peoples' senses of humor are malfunctioning...

I'll be right back, I gotta go to the fridge.  Conversations like this always go better with cheese.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: captain1ma on July 13, 2008, 12:22:36 AM
wow arent there like rules on personal attacks?? sounds like a one sides testosterone match that wouldve gotten one particular group kicked out. just my opinion
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Dinan on July 13, 2008, 12:25:38 AM
 :cry
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: eagleheartone on July 13, 2008, 03:37:26 AM
NOT to be an ARSE................... you didnt fly them when I was on, and not certainly after we took them down, and the time they came back up.  One thing I do, and very well is watch the roster and the map.  The only time you came on during that time was the very short time we spoke/wrote on pm/.  So, what your telling me is.... you can come on without being seen on the roster and fly without dar bars to run 7  c47's to 72 while we were attacking 73, and I nor anyone else seen you on.... is that what I am getting out of it by you saying that "you flew 7 c47 missions to resupply A72" between the hours of 9pm and and midnite ??  I just want to be sure that is what your saying here. 

Thinking that I can go Fishing with this open Can.... 

I see that I do not have 4 gold stars underneath my name over there, but if it is going to take 2080 post to get one.. seems we can start now.  You see.... if you got 4 gold stars (2000+) Post... you JUST think your GOD in here.  It is really comical how shifty and motherland just seem to think I must lay down and bite their buttocks.....  To me those 4 gold stars mean that you have offered your opinon tooooooooooo  many times, and have nothing better to do.

Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Shifty on July 13, 2008, 08:55:02 AM
NOT to be an ARSE................... you didnt fly them when I was on, and not certainly after we took them down, and the time they came back up.  One thing I do, and very well is watch the roster and the map.  The only time you came on during that time was the very short time we spoke/wrote on pm/.  So, what your telling me is.... you can come on without being seen on the roster and fly without dar bars to run 7  c47's to 72 while we were attacking 73, and I nor anyone else seen you on.... is that what I am getting out of it by you saying that "you flew 7 c47 missions to resupply A72" between the hours of 9pm and and midnite ??  I just want to be sure that is what your saying here. 

Thinking that I can go Fishing with this open Can.... 

I see that I do not have 4 gold stars underneath my name over there, but if it is going to take 2080 post to get one.. seems we can start now.  You see.... if you got 4 gold stars (2000+) Post... you JUST think your GOD in here.  It is really comical how shifty and motherland just seem to think I must lay down and bite their buttocks.....  To me those 4 gold stars mean that you have offered your opinon tooooooooooo  many times, and have nothing better to do.



Does it ever occur to you that there is a problem with the map? The radar going on and off, missing kill stats, and now bases that come back up? There seems to be a big bug in the map, and it's obvious.
Have you tried to inquire about things in an adult manner? If you start tossing T**d Bombs that's what will be returned to you. Day two of this and you're still ranting, and now really grasping at straws like gold stars. You're losing it, and not making any sense. I don't want you anywhere near my buttocks, but I'm sure if you go to right part of town you may find a guy that will let you play with his. Hope you have a better day today Eagle. :aok
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Jester on July 13, 2008, 09:47:52 AM
I see that I do not have 4 gold stars underneath my name over there, but if it is going to take 2080 post to get one.. seems we can start now.  You see.... if you got 4 gold stars (2000+) Post... you JUST think your GOD in here.  It is really comical how shifty and motherland just seem to think I must lay down and bite their buttocks.....  To me those 4 gold stars mean that you have offered your opinon tooooooooooo  many times, and have nothing better to do.

Eagle, you are creeping across "The Line" at a pretty good clip. Attacks on fellow players and especially the AVA Staff WILL NOT be tolerated.

And while I have "5" Stars under my name - I can give you my opinion, "OFFICIALLY", that it is time to back it down a notch or two or you are going to end up risking being PNG'ed. You are free to put up your questions and posts but keep it on a civil level.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: eagleheartone on July 13, 2008, 12:33:54 PM
Slash.... again.... what staff member have I accused of anything....................b etter yet... what fellow player have I accused or attacked in here.  If you read, you will see a Question asked.... a reply.. and a response.. a reply a response  etc.. Ya get the picture.  But, in what way did I ever accuse a staff of anything, and yet you attack me with accusations of accussing staff and fellow players of something....  again.... WHAT DID I ACCUSE THEM OF.


Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: E25280 on July 13, 2008, 02:04:58 PM
I'll be right back, I gotta go to the fridge.  Conversations like this always go better with cheese.
I just so happen to have an extra lawn chair . . .
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Sweet2th on July 13, 2008, 02:24:24 PM
You don't pay for the services of the AvA. All the staff is volunteer, not on the HTC payroll.

he pays for access to the server, and the CM's get a discount on thier account.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Motherland on July 13, 2008, 02:26:40 PM
WHAT DID I ACCUSE THEM OF.
By questioning why they did it you're insinuating that they had an agenda when they reset the base.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Motherland on July 13, 2008, 02:29:22 PM
I see that I do not have 4 gold stars underneath my name over there, but if it is going to take 2080 post to get one.. seems we can start now.  You see.... if you got 4 gold stars (2000+) Post... you JUST think your GOD in here. 
I do? Ok :rolleyes:
what fellow player have I accused or attacked in here. 
Read your replies to shifty and I again. Not that I care, I actually found your pathetic attempts to insult me amusing.
Title: Move along, nothing to see here
Post by: Chilli on July 13, 2008, 02:44:24 PM
Eagleheartone, is maybe over reacting a bit.  :rolleyes:  Like someone said, the map is buggy.   :salute All the AvA players that have done such an awesome job of realizing BOA is essentially in its beta stage.

Staff, has a much larger presence in this arena, and I sincerely believe that no disrespect has been intended.  Eagle your my bro, and I am feeling you.  I just think we have been in war mode a little to long (yes, I have had to adjust my attitude, also).  

Since this is the first time we have run this setup, and have been experiencing problems, how many folks including commanders would like to see the stats revealed and no "winner" declared? (after the end on Tuesday I believe).  
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Oldman731 on July 13, 2008, 03:45:02 PM
the CM's get a discount on thier account.

Nope.  Staff members get the same, and pay the same, as anyone else.

- oldman
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: flatiron1 on July 13, 2008, 04:18:40 PM
I see nothing wrong with Eagle's initial post. I too would like to see the initial settings announced to all and also when they get changed except for the weather of course. But after the initial post it went down hill quick. How about just a straight forward answer from the staff only and then everyone else let it go.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Sweet2th on July 13, 2008, 07:01:06 PM
How about just a straight forward answer from the staff only and then everyone else let it go.

....in a perfect world
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Virage on July 13, 2008, 08:51:18 PM
Let's not crucify Eagle or Fork on this one.  I understand Eagle's frustration and I understand CM's "fixing" things from time to time.

Oldman asked about relaxing some rules to get players involved in another thread.  The  AVA needs a Big Beer imo.

Make the AVA different than the MA by keeping it 2 sides but weekly rotate different historical matchups and eras.  Keep 3k icons, but go back to the standard setup including base capture.  Rotate the best maps once a week.  Make the objectives focused. For example Allies have to capture field X, Allies have to capture field Y.   Rinse repeat whenever someone wins.

HAVE FUN.  I really believe it is just this simple.  Make the arena fun for all styles of play within a historical framework.  I think the numbers will go through the roof.

S!
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: oceans11 on July 13, 2008, 08:56:53 PM
Umm I flew 7 C-47'S last night and it resupplied the field.  What else did you want to know Eaglehrt?

So one of the main game programers flew 7 c-47 missions from midnight say till almost morning to get a base back up,
    "($DO that wasn't suppose to have the ability to be re-supplyed)"
    "($then the question is was it done by mouse click or flying)"


"$ if that is just Forks sense of humor(sarcasim) and there really is a bug and it reset itself

                     $why did they not all reset %")

From one Unix programmer to another :)))

                             Just my two cents

It seems like this reset happens about 1 week after a new war starts
and right before it ends

                                     Creating sauce for the goose...
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: TheBug on July 13, 2008, 09:12:22 PM
Fork is a player just exactly the same as you.  He pays to play and volunteers his time.

We must all remember that the AvA is in a development stage and of course there will glitches, mistakes and just plain bad ideas.  But for those of us who have flown the AvA (aka CT) long ago this new spark, no matter its temporary flaws, are quite excited and grateful.

Let's work together guys and not let our frustrations get control of us.  Trust me I've been there, done that and no good can come from it. <S>
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: oceans11 on July 13, 2008, 09:20:00 PM
Fork is a player just exactly the same as you.  He pays to play and volunteers his time.

We must all remember that the AvA is in a development stage and of course there will glitches, mistakes and just plain bad ideas.  But for those of us who have flown the AvA (aka CT) long ago this new spark, no matter its temporary flaws, are quite excited and grateful.

Let's work together guys and not let our frustrations get control of us.  Trust me I've been there, done that and no good can come from it. <S>

Hey Im with you 100 percent
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: oakranger on July 14, 2008, 01:23:58 AM
Fork is a player just exactly the same as you.  He pays to play and volunteers his time.

We must all remember that the AvA is in a development stage and of course there will glitches, mistakes and just plain bad ideas.  But for those of us who have flown the AvA (aka CT) long ago this new spark, no matter its temporary flaws, are quite excited and grateful.

Let's work together guys and not let our frustrations get control of us.  Trust me I've been there, done that and no good can come from it. <S>

I am with The Bug on this.  The CT are working hard to get AVA a working arena that more and more people will come in.  From the time they started this in January till now, i can see AVA will evolved into something better.  U didn't like the set up of base capturing but like a the budget idea.  I am sure there is good coming out of this all.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: eagleheartone on July 14, 2008, 01:51:22 AM
Seems someone wants to hold my hand at the convention... motherland...I'll see ya there.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Slash27 on July 14, 2008, 01:52:18 AM
Seems someone wants to hold my hand at the convention... motherland...I'll see ya there.

Good.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Shifty on July 14, 2008, 07:52:45 AM
Speaking of the CON. Slash my kid has a football game Friday night, so I'll be dragging in Saturday morning. Look forward to meeting you foinally. :aok
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Dichotomy on July 14, 2008, 02:34:51 PM
*looks up wondering if I have enough gold stars for my opinion to count


ooooohhhhh five of them  :t

Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Shifty on July 14, 2008, 02:55:27 PM
*looks up wondering if I have enough gold stars for my opinion to count


ooooohhhhh five of them  :t



Five!! Well you know what that means.. You're a Five Star Pain In The A** . Takes one to know one. ;)
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Dichotomy on July 14, 2008, 03:00:32 PM
Now I have to formulate a controversial opinion :D
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Shifty on July 14, 2008, 03:08:15 PM
Now I have to formulate a controversial opinion :D
I wish I could help you, but I tend to agree with everyone and never rock the boat. :D
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: VonMessa on July 14, 2008, 03:27:44 PM
<-----

Goes looking for hip waders.   :noid
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Slash27 on July 14, 2008, 03:34:53 PM
Speaking of the CON. Slash my kid has a football game Friday night, so I'll be dragging in Saturday morning. Look forward to meeting you foinally. :aok


Texas high school football :salute  See you on saturday Shifty.




oh, I really hate to point it out but being that I have six stars, I need you to go ahead and address me as "Mr. Slash" on the boards. Yeah, that'd be great.




 :D
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Shifty on July 14, 2008, 03:48:47 PM

Texas high school football :salute  See you on saturday Shifty.




oh, I really hate to point it out but being that I have six stars, I need you to go ahead and address me as "Mr. Slash" on the boards. Yeah, that'd be great.




 :D

Okay hold you breath I'll get right on it!  :D
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Dichotomy on July 14, 2008, 08:08:28 PM
I wish I could help you, but I tend to agree with everyone and never rock the boat. :D

*coughs, chokes, sputters, and spits beer out nose.....

 :D

aye aye MISTER SLASH.... but I don't think that goes far enough... it should always be capitalized....

eg.... MISTER SLASH really screwed the pooch on that set up.  The fields came up early?  I'll bet MISTER SLASH fell into a drunken stupor at his keyboard :D
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Slash27 on July 14, 2008, 10:51:33 PM
No one likes you. :(









 :cry
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Jester on July 14, 2008, 10:54:47 PM
 :rofl
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Dichotomy on July 14, 2008, 11:06:20 PM
No one likes you. :(









 :cry

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOO!!!!!!!  Say it aint so MISTER SLASH ;)  I'll try harder I really, really, really, will.  What must I do?  :lol
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Slash27 on July 14, 2008, 11:28:30 PM
Bring beer and a copy of the Big Lebowski to the con. We never had our AH screening. :salute


(http://www.kulthit.de/bilder/the-big-lebowski-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Mister Fork on July 15, 2008, 12:03:03 AM
The big leb?  I thought you guys were complaining about not seeing this movie

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/76/013_ST2866~Moulin-Rouge-Posters.jpg)
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Slash27 on July 15, 2008, 12:06:10 AM
The big leb?  I thought you guys were complaining about not seeing this movie

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/76/013_ST2866~Moulin-Rouge-Posters.jpg)


Silence Canadian!!!!!!!!  I will not tolerate your insolence!!!!!


(http://www.chefrocker.com/walter/walter01.jpg)
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: TheBug on July 15, 2008, 12:14:32 AM
Hehe, that is a good movie.
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Angrist on July 15, 2008, 01:19:53 AM
the Dude Abides.... :aok
Title: Re: Why was A72 reset last nite
Post by: Dichotomy on July 15, 2008, 08:01:13 AM
Bring beer and a copy of the Big Lebowski to the con. We never had our AH screening. :salute




Considering it's only a 30 minute drive I think this can be arranged :D