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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wraith on March 23, 2000, 12:54:00 AM
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This is a GREAT game, it still has a long way to go (dive breaks and flaps on me 38!!), but what it is now is damn impressive. I applaud HT and team. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But the person who decided to ask for $30 a month deserves a kick on his 6. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)... no make them 2 kicks.
I see many dedicated players flying, I meet the same people every time I play, it is wonderful, it is cool, it makes me wonder if they have any life at all.... and it makes me wonder how the heck they can afford it!
I know that there are THOUSANDS out there that see the game, think "hey this is awesome!... DAMN 30 greens a month! I can't afford that! *sniff*" and then their dreams of online play just vanish (or worse, are forced to go to the MS Combat Sim arenas.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif) ).
I've enjoyed this game a LOT in the 2 days I've been flying, but I know I will NEVER pay 30 dollars a month to play ANY game online.. its completely ridiculous to think the average gamer can afford the equivalent of buying a whole new game, or their cable or phone bill each month!. Hello HT!!??, some of us have bills to pay! Some of us are students! Some of us don't have nice paying jobs! Some of us *just* can't hide the extra bill from the Mrs! (no matter HOW much we try, they will find out, and then we shall be assimilated..again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ).
What can you do then? Glad you asked me (I'm talking to the voices in my head, dont mind me!)... lower the price? Whoa, that would hurt HT's income! Then lower it *just* a bit? Say, $25 or $20 a month? Nay, that still be too high for the average gamer.
I have this idea, one that will bring TONS of players to AH (even those cocky WB chairborne rangers and the AirWhiners3 pie-lots) by giving the average gamer access to this wonderfull game.... an idea that will KEEP the players interested in the game (as if the game itself wasn't interesting enough), and one that will bring potentially MORE money per month to HT&Co (ah! THAT part got your attention! $#@$ capitalist p*gs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) )
Here goes (and if this get implemented, I get lifetime free play..right? hehe):
#1 Lower the monthly payment to an AFFORDABLE $10 a month. Even a $5.40/hour job can pay for that. This will bring THOUSANDS of players into the game.
Since that will barely make up for the lost $20 a month per person, we add this into the mettle:
#2 New account members will be given only ONE (1) plane which they can fly once their account becomes active, besides the Goon of course (after their 2 week free trial).Players will be able to SELECT what plane it will be (otherwise it would really suck to be forced to fly something you dont like.. the player will have the 2 weeks free trial to make up his mind as to which plane he wants to start with) Sounds lame? Just read ahead!
#3 If a player wants to fly other planes, he will have to PURCHASE them (aka, the server wont give the player the option of flying anything BUT the planes he's paid for). Each plane can be priced at $5..something any dweeb out there can afford.
Since HT will be CONTINOUSLY adding new planes, tanks and other combustible goodies, this will give players a WIDE variety of choices. Adding to that, if HT starts releasing specialized versions of planes, like the "elevator rammer" FW-190, or the Ground-Attack version of the B-26, night fighters (radar baby!), or the MERLIN-powered P-38 (PLEASE PLEASE!), then players will begin to accumulate their "collection" of planes.
Hey, it works with Magic the Gathering (card game), and Wizards of the Coast (makers of the card game) is making gazzillions of bucks with this scheme.. jump into the money train HT! Happy gamers (LOTS of them) = money..keep em addicted by adding goodies which they have to purchase=more money 4 U and more fun 4 us players.
There will be NO such thing as a player buying the "super-plane" and kicking everyone's bellybutton to pluto because each plane will be REALISTICALLY modeled. Heck, if HT released the ME262 now on the arena we would ALL be flying it, and all other planes will never be flown (HT: Read at the bottom of this post for yet ANOTHER idea on how to fix such a problem).
And since HT will keep on releasing planes from all sides of the conflict (so far we see SO few italian, African, French, Swiss, Dutch, South American, etc), the pool of choices is highly unlikely to run out. It will keep HT's artists and researchers busy, the programmers IN their dev tools (and OFF my 6, damn you HT! You shoot to good! <S> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) and the income train steadily rolling.
What? Did I hear someone say "Unit/Country Paint schemes for $2 once in a lifetime?" Heck what a good idea! Let me pass it along to HT as well!.
Well, that's my idea, I hope HT and finances take a good look at this. And remember, I get FREE lifetime play (or a ".kill (playername) option hehe) if this gets implemented (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Oh, wait the 262 thing, yeah almost forgot!
Unfair advantage planes like the ME-262 should be controlled.
Have a ranking system be implemented. A pilot gets rank according to the # of kills per life (aka, if he gets shot down and KILLED he loses all rank and starts from scratch again) + ground damage modifier (you do the math, I lost me calculator). Say, a pilot with 12 kills gets to fly the Me-262. Players who whine about the unfairness of this should remember that THEY can also achieve this.. and that someday, somehow, someone will ping that $#$@ Me-262 bi*ch out of the sky, and the Me-262 pilot will have to start all over again. The same could be applied to TANKS and any other units HT may put in (Got 12 ground kills, Gimme a King Tiger, here Sherman, Sherman.. muahahahA! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) )
This will give players an ADDED incentive to STAY alive (aka, avoid head-ons, collisions, bansai charges, etc). People in other threads have been whining about HO's...well, here's your solution.. stay alive, kill, fly the Me-262 and kill every damn banana that you see HO'ing (unless you're stupid enough to HO's in a 262.. it will happen, and everyone will laugh.. YOU! You know im talking about you! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
If my original BILLING idea is implemented, then a pilot with, say, 6 kills would get to fly ANY other plane (except the 262, he would need 12 kills for that) in the arena. Yes my man, get 6 kills and have a taste of something you could permanently fly for just $5 bucks.... Get the drift HT?
Well, enough rambling for now, coffee's out and the withdrawl symptoms have begun....
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My GOD! I've had the patience to read your whole post! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
5$ per plane did you say?... ...interesting. I suppose seventh plane and above are free (>30$), right?. But this is a risky way to solve the problem, give me a Dora and a panzer and I'll keep paying only 10$ all the time.
Just a comment: You're right, 30$ monthly is almost like buying an original sim monthly, good point. But, sincerelly, can't compare...
A complementary idea could be as follows:
30$ -> all planes/vehicles up to 1945.
28$ -> all planes up to 1945.
20$ -> all planes/vehicles up to 1943.
18$ -> all planes up to 1943.
10$ -> all planes/vehiles up to 1941
5$ -> pre-war planes/vehicles only and C47 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I don't like it.
The idea of giving better planes to people based on number of kills is horrible. Last thing we need is newbies to have to fly the slow, weak planes on top of their already huge disadvantage to the combat vets. I think alot of mewbies would get frustrated by always being bait and say "Screw it, I'm leaving!"
Making people pay for planes is equally bad. There would be no diversity of planes. The whole point of a large planeset is to let you try each plane, because each has it's own advantage. If you had to pay for each plane, people would get stuck in ruts with only one or two planes. The one who has the most money will get the best score, because he will have a plane for every situation. We don't want this to turn into a game for snobs. Let everyone be at the same level of equiptment and let skill do the talking, not money.
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Mark VanZwoll
33rd Strike Group
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I am gettin kinda tired of those billing whines.
It's HTC's business, so let them run it their way.
Btw. sure 30$ ain't cheap, but imho AH is worth it.
Maik
<JG2 Richthofen>
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Originally posted by maik:
I am gettin kinda tired of those billing whines.
It's HTC's business, so let them run it their way.
Btw. sure 30$ ain't cheap, but imho AH is worth it.
I couldīnt agree more, STOP WHINE ABOUT THE FEE........Go and play quake or something else. 30$ a month is a pretty good price, for loads of fun.
Crabofix, "WHAT, ROTTEN FISH?....NEVER!"
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I'm not bashing anyone or anything but I sincerely and honestly feel that $10/mo puts you in the slum category.
Just look at the Zone and Gamestorm. I left there hoping to cod I don't have to play in those environments again.
(I acknowledge there are alot of good people who do fly those sims and cannot afford more than the 10/mo. I do regret that. But I hate the crap crowd even more. sorry)
All I can say to some is, it's $30/mo.
So cut down on the take out food, BurgerKing drive thru's, the cigs, mow a few extra lawns this summer, work a few hours overtime per month and stop ordering pay per view porno.
-Westy
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So AH will be limited only to the select few that can afford it. Sounds quite elitist to me IMHO. *shrug*
My point is, the price is too high for the average gamer, and if it was lowered to something even a student could afford, then HT would have almost 8 TIMES the ammount of subscribers. The "$5 buy your plane" part was just a variant that may make this game different from AW or WB and have earning potential for HT.
I forgot to mention, current account holders get all planes they have now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And people, if you are tired of hearing others whine about the price, ask yourselves: if you are so tired of hearing it it means MANY people have this problem. The people that post here represent a small % of the countless pilots that have ended up in MS Combat Sim arena because they can't pay and have resigned to staying there and not posting their opinions here.
I digress and drop this matter, its up to HT to think about it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thnx for the comments & feedback on this.
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"So AH will be limited only to the select few that can afford it. Sounds quite elitist to me IMHO. *shrug*"
Yeah....$10 a month make me laugh....dweeb.
Oh...I know why don't you get HTC to pay you to fly.
BTW it'd $45 CDN.
Quit your whining get that thing called a job, school doesn't run 24 hours a day lazy-ass.
Go fly WB's ACA arena for $10 a month.
Don't go away mad, just go away!
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nice try wraith (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif),
but they are not many, they are always the same (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
I believe the average gamer buys more than 1 game a month, not count peripherals.
Btw it's 60,-- DM.
Torque UR BAD (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Maik
<JG2 Richthofen>
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It really is like gettin a new game every month...without the "excitment" of finding out how lame your new game is. Earning planes? most of the people with the best planes will have vulched there buddies 12 times to do it...I think that HTC has found lots of people that aggree with the pricing and the amount of play that is required to make it viable. I like the idea about giving newbies lame planes though...but there are no lame planes in the game right now...just challenging ones and dweeby ones...if we added the P47 I guess we could give them that..
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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Sorry but I have to agree, the pricing model is just plain off...
Add in that that there's talk of charging for scenario play?
Admittedly, at $10 a month you get a lot of uhm, 'less mature' players but I think the more realistic nature of AH will keep the 'It's like Quake! Only we're flying" players away.
Split the difference $19.95
Seriously I have millionaire friends who don't play Ah because they object to the price.
Their attitude is "Hey! The industry standard price is $10 a month. Who do these guys think they are?" or "AH is twice as good as AW, so why is it three times more expensive?"
All I can say is... Pay for some market research and get a definitive answer.
~Lemur
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Yes, $30 is like buying a new sim every month. And I play AH ten times more than I've ever played all my boxed sims combined. Compared to the cost of a movie or bowling or any such entertainment it's a steal. I find the price fair.
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Aces High is the best thing to come along in quite awhile....pay or go infiltrate someone else's game. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Some other billing options would be nice...., but, $30 US is not that much....cya up. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
trm
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first a swallowed pretty hard when i heared 30$ a month . but tought about that a little after flying AH for a while .. i canned my WB account plus the gamestorm account and voilla i'm having the 30$ and i fly this sim about twice as much than the others before...
I don't quite like the idea about extra charge for scenarios...
Talking about marketing having the option for people to have pay / hour well that might not be a bad idea..
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Originally posted by Wraith:
I've enjoyed this game a LOT in the 2 days I've been flying, but I know I will NEVER pay 30 dollars a month to play ANY game online.. ....
This is very simple DONT play Then ! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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!!! Heater !!!
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I'll play for my 2 weeks, then STARE in frustration at a cool game I can't afford (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif)
Yes, $30 is like buying a new sim every month. And I play AH ten times more than I've ever played all my boxed sims combined
I agree on that, however, this is not the ONLY online game people play... just think on that for a sec. Besides, we do buy other games, life aint limited to AH (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Torque Said:
Oh...I know why don't you get HTC to pay you to fly.
Hey thats a good idea! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I can be the target drone on the Training Arena!
BTW it'd $45 CDN.
That makes it $58,545 Colombian Pesos, $3,205.80 Yen and $66.00 N. Korean Won. And what does this have to do in this matter.? Don't feel bitter Canada, you're not alone in the devaluation market (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Quit your whining get that thing called a job, school doesn't run 24 hours a day lazy-ass
FYI, I work full time (Tech Support, $9.50/h) AND I am a full time student as well (as well as help out the family). What do YOU do? Hope you got a $20/h+ (that's $29.25/h Canadian, jus' saving you from thinking 2 much, might hurt yourself *grin*) job buddy.
Torque, read the other posts here, try to learn some decency from them if possible. Take heed of how to respond in a civilized manner.See you on my 6 this week (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Heater: that is exactly what is happening to countless other players like me... we can't play . (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) .
[This message has been edited by Wraith (edited 03-24-2000).]
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When i firt heard about this game and tried it out i thought that 30$ was way to much too i decided i would play untill it went pay then would give it up. i am still here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) this hame has got me hooked i am sure everyone would like it to be lower priced, hell i wish everything was lower price (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) but the prices are the way they are (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) you eather decide if you want to pay it or you dont. think of it like the differce between the Neon and Viper for cars.
they both get you where you want to go. it is all about what the difference is worth to you
Trell
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Ops guess I struck a nerve (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)"is it safe?"
BTW how much did your computer cost Wraith?
Hmm, Wraith you make roughly $10 an hour to answer a phone, yet you want HT to only charge you $10 a month for the best product of it's kind on the market.
Heh, you're telling me I have explain the percentage difference between $30 and $45 Wraith.
Three extra hours of work a month for the pleasures of AH is that too much to ask?....?....three?
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 03-24-2000).]
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i only have one thing to say here,
can i play for free alwas (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif))
LOL,