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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Getback on July 15, 2008, 05:45:13 AM
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I've heard on the Glenn Beck show that there has been border kidnappings and Mexican commandos coming over and killing US citizens. Frankly Glenn Beck sounds a little off his rocker to me and I haven't heard anything about it elsewhere. So for you folks near the border have you heard anything about these things?
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I've been noticing alot of commercials on T.V lately from the U.S border patrol looking for people to join up and work as a border guard. A friend of mine is moving out by the border to start working as a border guard next month, he said the interview wasn't that intense, and that they are really in need of hiring more border guards. My friend has 2 DUI's on his record, and doesn't even have his drivers license back yet and they still went ahead and hired him, so that should tell you how badly they need more guards.
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If they have clearance to fire is the illegals refuse to stop it should all be good. :aok
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If they have clearance to fire is the illegals refuse to stop it should all be good. :aok
Yup, I would sign up if this were true. But I won't sign up knowing that I'll be allowed to do very little.
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I agree that Glenn Beck can sound a little tinfoil-hat-ish sometimes. I listen to his radio show but many times I have to change stations when he goes into one of his rants.
I feel dirty for using worldnetdaily as a source reference, but here you go.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44519
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I didn't listen to anything by Beck so can't comment directly about that. As far as what is in the world news article is concerned, yep business as usual in the last 10 years. The smuggling situation (people and drugs both) has gotten much more violent in the last 2 decades then before. Even in the 80's I was aware of armed smugglers moving North from Mexico East of Tucson. There have been numerous deaths from "coyotes" promising guidance across the desert then abandoning the people after robbing them of what little they had after getting deep into the desert. This has not been a nice bunch of folks there and as long as the border is as porous s it is it will continue.
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I don't listen to Glenn Beck either, but I have heard some pretty bad stuff about Laredo [& that whole area], mostly surrounding drug activity. Although, I'm sure what I heard was frequent killings, not kidnappings.
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Yes there have been military type incursions onto U.S. soil happening for years. Years before and at least 2 years (that I know of) following 9-11 the Mexican military was known to escort drug shipments across the border. Now I believe the cartels have trained or hired some guns to do that type of work. This is all part of the border problem no one hears about and if it is reported the media moves past it quickly.
An old article I know but…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11226144/
Nothing unusual
Mexican soldiers caught inside U.S. boundaries “isn’t a new phenomenon,” said David Aguilar, chief of the U.S. Border Patrol. Although the Mexican military has an “internal policy” that states they won’t operate within about two miles of the U.S., that policy is routinely violated or simply ignored, he said. “We often spot them” near or inside U.S. borders, Aguilar said.
Here’s a question: What do you call a hostile/aggressive group of individuals who are trained in military tactics, carrying military issue weapons and explosives that cross a countries border without consent?
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Yes there have been military type incursions onto U.S. soil happening for years. Years before and at least 2 years (that I know of) following 9-11 the Mexican military was known to escort drug shipments across the border. Now I believe the cartels have trained or hired some guns to do that type of work. This is all part of the border problem no one hears about and if it is reported the media moves past it quickly.
An old article I know but…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11226144/
Here’s a question: What do you call a hostile/aggressive group of individuals who are trained in military tactics, carrying military issue weapons and explosives that cross a countries border without consent?
Target practice.
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I always tend to take what Glenn Beck says with a grain of skepticism, although I agree with most of his platform.
Like today he said that the taliban attack over the weekend that killed 9 soldiers involved 500 taliban and 250 of them were killed. I can find no source that puts the number of taliban involved over 200.
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Here’s a question: What do you call a hostile/aggressive group of individuals who are trained in military tactics, carrying military issue weapons and explosives that cross a countries border without consent?
Praerie dogs?
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Target practice.
Too bad that’s not the case. There was a young Marine who was patrolling the border and came under fire from a Mexican “sheepherder”. The “sheepherder” missed but the Marine did not and then they tried to press charges on him. Was a while ago and can’t remember the details… I will see if I can find some.
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Praerie dogs?
Lol. When I was young my father (Air Force) would refer to the buzzards we saw on the side of the road as the Mexican Air Force. I never got it until I was older. :D
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This kind of thing is what I’ve heard about for years. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8FBOSCO3&show_article=1 (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8FBOSCO3&show_article=1)
After the newspaper reported on Mexican military crossings earlier this month, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the report was overblown and most of the incursions were just mistakes.
- oh yeah they got lost and just happened to drop a few hundred pounds of dope in America…what joke
This link is for an article from 89’. I don’t remember reading the story before and it doesn’t tell about any Mexican military on U.S. soil but it is interesting.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEEDE103AF935A25751C1A96F948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1 (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEEDE103AF935A25751C1A96F948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1)
we have played tag with these jokers so long it has created a much larger problem. Now it won’t be stopped without some serious action which most likely will require violence and we all know that won’t happen…
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Target practice.
for target practice the target alone is not enough. You need a shooter as well
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Someone ask for a shooter?
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Along the now defunct "Iron Curtain" there was a shoot first ask questions later mentality.
Sounds like a good idea to me. If someone is "breaking into" a country, sounds like they are up to no good to me.
ROX
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Along the now defunct "Iron Curtain" there was a shoot first ask questions later mentality.
Sounds like a good idea to me. If someone is "breaking into" a country, sounds like they are up to no good to me.
ROX
I can see this as becoming the next Disney World... Ok, maybe Busch Gardens.
"Come to a border town for a long weekend, spend the days shopping and eating and the nights stalking Burrito Bandits from the resort rooftop with a night-sight equipped rifle."
The side show will include protesters shouting phrases like 'a Mexican is not a choice' or 'a 7.62mm round stops a beating heart', from behind a chain link fence.
Midnight Target can be in charge of keeping the chanters in rhythm.
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I've been noticing alot of commercials on T.V lately from the U.S border patrol looking for people to join up and work as a border guard. A friend of mine is moving out by the border to start working as a border guard next month, he said the interview wasn't that intense, and that they are really in need of hiring more border guards. My friend has 2 DUI's on his record, and doesn't even have his drivers license back yet and they still went ahead and hired him, so that should tell you how badly they need more guards.
I'm curious, How much are they paying?
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I'm curious, How much are they paying?
I was curious as well. This is what I found. Doesn't seem like much when you spend your days patroling B.F.E. with a bounty on your head...
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=U.S._Border_Patrol/Salary (http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=U.S._Border_Patrol/Salary)
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I'm curious, How much are they paying?
I'll see him Thursday I'll ask him and let you know. I do know one thing, they are paying for him to attend college while he works for the border patrol.
I was curious as well. This is what I found. Doesn't seem like much when you spend your days patroling B.F.E. with a bounty on your head...
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=U.S._Border_Patrol/Salary (http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=U.S._Border_Patrol/Salary)
Seems like a nice amount to me, between 40-50k
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I'll see him Thursday I'll ask him and let you know. I do know one thing, they are paying for him to attend college while he works for the border patrol.
Seems like a nice amount to me, between 40-50k
Find out, I would be interested in knowing. I would rather do that than what I am doing now, and the pay is about the same.
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Vote for Obama, he'll uh, give them a good talking to.
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Along the now defunct "Iron Curtain" there was a shoot first ask questions later mentality.
Sounds like a good idea to me. If someone is "breaking into" a country, sounds like they are up to no good to me.
ROX
It was a bit different at the iron curtain. Both the east and west berlin guards faced the same direction. It seems the communist were more concerned about people escaping. :rofl
Another tidbit. I live in Indiana. Now for you folks that don't know where that is it is way north and way east of the Mexican border. This morning when I drove to work there were nothing but Hispanics waiting for the bus. Tell me we don't have a problem.
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Vote for Obama, he'll uh, give them a good talking to.
Unlike Bush who has been so stern on them...
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Unlike Bush who has been so stern on them...
I certainly won't be voting for Bush. Unfortunately McCain won't be much better in this regard.
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Another tidbit. I live in Indiana. Now for you folks that don't know where that is it is way north and way east of the Mexican border. This morning when I drove to work there were nothing but Hispanics waiting for the bus. Tell me we don't have a problem.
It’s way beyond a problem in my book. Not to break out the koolaid and tinfoil hats but I just don’t know how long this country will be able to sustain the seemingly endless river of illegal aliens. I really don’t know why the politicians refuse to deal with this situation rather than make it go away with amnesty.
This is how we are rewarding people who are trying to protect our borders though-
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/national/19ranch.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/national/19ranch.html)
The times made these guys out to look like fanatical kkk, neo-nazi militia types. I can’t say one way or the other but from the several articles I read these guys held them for an hour, questioned them, gave them cookies then let them go.
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I was curious as well. This is what I found. Doesn't seem like much when you spend your days patroling B.F.E. with a bounty on your head...
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=U.S._Border_Patrol/Salary (http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=U.S._Border_Patrol/Salary)
Still not bad because considering it's a govt you they will have full benefits and likely retirement package. I bet that would bump the real yearly pay closer to 60k if it had benefits. That's also pretty close to what police officers make, so it's competitive pay for the type of work.
Seems odd they appear to be having such a hard time filling the jobs considering so many people complain about illegals taking their jobs away.
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Hispanics are not the problem. It's the ones who are here illegally and/or refuse to learn English and/or want to overthrow our government that makes me mad.
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Seems odd they appear to be having such a hard time filling the jobs considering so many people complain about illegals taking their jobs away.
Not really odd when recruits understand that you have to spend your days driving hundreds of miles looking at desert fence and knowing that one hand is tied behind your back when dealing with potentially dangerous individuals. There’s nothing glamorous about the job, illegals and their coyotes hate you with a passion and so do the Americans who think your taking away someone’s right to make a better life. Being stationed on the border means you are hours away from everything… cell phone service, radio stations, hospitals… most everything we take for granted. You get in a tight spot or are seriously injured you know that it’s going to be hours before you get help.
Your right, 40k salaries + benefits where these individuals will be stationed will go a long way but it doesn’t do much for recruitment.
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40K isn't enough for the risks you take. Plus the fact the U.S. Government won't back you up when something happens.
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It’s not. I’ve spent some time at the border camping, hunting, fishing and such. Even though we were going for only a few days we packed for a week, extra spare tires, water, first aid kits, everything. Its hard country and you never know what can happen. Throw in a few hostiles wielding guns and it gets ugly. Personally I could take the environment and the isolation but not being 100% sure if your going to be backed by your government if things go sour is the kicker for me.
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Here's a recent article on bribing US Border agents...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080715/wl_nm/usa_mexico_drugs_dc
also as part of that article....
"In one case showing the breadth of the problem, two California-based employees of Wackenhut, a contractor that transports detained illegal immigrants, were charged last month with freeing them for $2,500 each."
Wackenhut....wonder what they do there for fun in the off hours?
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I grew up on the edge of the Sahara. If you had no clothing or water, you'd be dead by noon. I've spent the last 30 years in swampland however, and don't think I could get use to the desert again.
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It’s not that bad on the Texas border but if you didn’t know anything about the area and basic survival you would not be in good shape. Imagine growing up in Dallas and being transported to the border during the heat of the day to see what is like. Then some recruiter saying with arms wide…. And all this can be yours for 40 grand a year!!! Lol no thanks mister.
Wackenhut....wonder what they do there for fun in the off hours?
:rofl
Last big story I heard about corruption was the Marfa sheriff who got caught with a squad car and a 2 horse full of dope. He's still in jail I think.
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It’s not. I’ve spent some time at the border camping, hunting, fishing and such. Even though we were going for only a few days we packed for a week, extra spare tires, water, first aid kits, everything. Its hard country and you never know what can happen. Throw in a few hostiles wielding guns and it gets ugly. Personally I could take the environment and the isolation but not being 100% sure if your going to be backed by your government if things go sour is the kicker for me.
Just carry a shovel and bury the ones you have to shoot.. No problems that way.
btw I don't see how the risk of dealing with the boarder crossers is any different than that of a normal policeman dealing with criminals. Granted the work place might be a bit though, but not likely much wore than being a cop in a slum city. Hell I'd do it, if I needed a job and lived close to our boarder.
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Some Mexican military forces, which were trained by the US, are now working for the drug lords. They have been coming across the border to protect the drug trade. Do you think you would stand a chance against professionally trained soldiers with the EQ the Border Patrol provides? And if you are killed, the US will not ask Mexico to charge the persons for your murder. Mexico just released a guy who murdered a Border Patrol Agent and the US has not protested.
Glenn Beck has had the former head of the Border Patrol on his program several times. You may want to watch some of those interviews before joining. He has basically said, without saying, the State Department has been protecting the drug trade.
P.S. Without drugs the US could not have it's War on Drugs.
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btw I don't see how the risk of dealing with the boarder crossers is any different than that of a normal policeman dealing with criminals. Granted the work place might be a bit though, but not likely much wore than being a cop in a slum city. Hell I'd do it, if I needed a job and lived close to our boarder.
Different… ok for one thing Environment- poisonous snakes, scorpions, cacti, sentry plants, cats claw, ocotillo, 100+ degree weather, no running water, constant flat tires because of rocky terrain, no tow truck or AAA, no cell service, backup is hours away (no SWAT),town is hours away, toilet is many miles away, hospital is hours away, ISOLATION, on top of that you have to figure they know your routes, they know your name, where you live and where your family sleeps …. Then you add military (some cases American trained) hostiles with state o’ art weaponry escorting drugs across who have no qualms about shooting your arse and dump lye on your body to save their paycheck. Yup, sounds just like the city....
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Too bad that’s not the case. There was a young Marine who was patrolling the border and came under fire from a Mexican “sheepherder”. The “sheepherder” missed but the Marine did not and then they tried to press charges on him. Was a while ago and can’t remember the details… I will see if I can find some.
A buddy of mine is stationed in yuma and told me about an incident like that. It may be the same one.
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Anyone coming over from the Mexico side, that is armed, should be considered hostile. The trick is how do you make sure its not just another camper/hunter/US citizen? Its best to make an attempt to ID them. But if they dont respond, or drop their weapons, then you should shoot. Be that LEOs or citizens on the border. Just because I think its wrong to back shoot 2 unarmed property offenders who pose you no danger doesnt mean I think a citizen should have to take a chance with armed offenders coming from a foreign country. They should automatically be considered hostile. I'd never go against a citizen who shot armed invaders.
I almost joined the BP but didn't when I heard about the problems in that agency, "not that I ended up joining anything better or safer". Its a terrible mistake not to back BP agents when they have to use force against illegals.
Frankly I dont blame border citizens for being pissed off. This country has let them down. w I don't see how the risk of dealing with the boarder crossers is any different than that of a normal policeman dealing with criminals. Granted the work place might be a bit though, but not likely much wore than being a cop in a slum city. Hell I'd do it, if I needed a job and lived close to our boarder.
One big difference is in a city slum I would have 100 backups within 2 mins of putting out the call. BPAs would have to wait a far longer time then that for backup. I would rate being a BPA as more dangerous then being a slum copper.
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This thread has got me looking into the border situation a little more. I found this site that seems to have a lot of information on it. Just scanning through some of the pictures and saw these postcards that were found at the illegal’s rest/dump sites.
http://www.desertinvasion.us/invasion_pictures/invasion_three_points3.html (http://www.desertinvasion.us/invasion_pictures/invasion_three_points3.html)
(http://www.desertinvasion.us/photos/pic_3points_2004sep_egypt4.jpg)