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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ZetaNine on July 17, 2008, 10:33:40 AM
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keep it civil please.....
I've pondered this a lot. I also have many here call me a "Republican"..and I'm not. I'm and Indy...with Conservative leanings on most issues...but not all...
anywho...I think it boils down to what type of government we want...
As a conservative...I only want-expect and demand one thing from my Government..which also happens to be their primary job....and that is to protect me and my family. that's it. I'll do the rest.
Liberals, I think, all share the idea that first and foremost they are victims of some kind. I also think they want government to play a part in every facet of theirs, and everyone else's life.
what do you think?
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I would say that it can be broken down as follows:
- Conservatives don't like being told what to do, are ambitious, and like to take care of themselves.
- Liberals like telling others what to do, are lazy, and want to be taken care of.
:D
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If you believe that every person is fully responsible for their own actions and should be held accountable for those actions, you believe the governemts is only there to provide for the common defence, and enforce the laws of the land, and that you get out of life what you put into it, then your conservative.
If you believe that people who do bad things must have a reason and that society has failed them in some way and they shouldn't be held resonsible for societies failures, you think the government is there to provide you with everything you need to live a comfortable life, free medical and dental, subsidies for everything, have them pay for all of your education and never ask you as a person to ever have to repay the government with your own money or even worse your time, and that anything that is done for "the greater good" is OK, then your a liberal.
Me, I'm a pretty conservative guy.
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Repubs = Sphincters
Dems = Armpits
Both tend to stink but the reason is more obvious for one group.
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I think liberals try to make things "fair", and aren't afraid to shake things up in this effort- Well meaning, but life isn't fair, which libs seem to miss occasionally.
Conservatives are fearful and distrustful of ANY change, and would rather sit in a tub of poo than take a chance on pulling the plug and refilling it because they're afraid what comes out of the nozzle might be worse. What has amused me the past eight years is the Conservatives STILL blame the Libs for anything and everything- Iraq, housing collapse, energy crisis- in spite of controlling Congress and the Presidency.
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Liberals come in 2 basic varieties
1.) Those that are so rich that they've lost all contact with reality and think that the live-and-let-live philosophy can effectively be applied to every possible aspect of life so that we can all co-exist in some sort of acid-tripping petrie dish of love and sharing. They have enough money so that their annual income no longer makes much of a difference, or their lawyers and/or money managers are in control of their finances to the degree that no amount of taxation will ever trouble them.
Example: Larry David, as he is portrayed on Curb Your Enthusiasm. Net worth. Drives a Prius. Can afford to drive a Gulf Stream.
2.) Those that are ineffectual and unambitious enough that they automatically blame anybody above their own socio-economic level for some sort of oppression--because, afterall, who else but the rich man can possibly be at fault for a poor man's failing.
Example: Too many to name. Drives a Cadillac STS but had to take out a second mortgage to afford the monthly payments. Can afford to drive a Pruis.
Conservatives have varieties of their own, of course... the "Religion in public school" crowd epitomize one--comperable to the 2nd variety of liberal. The "I don't want to give my money away to parasitic public programs" epitomize the other.
Personally, I'd rather there be no religion in school, but at the same time, don't want to pay taxes to support the dregs... I like to refer to my variety as the "Neolibetive"
look out 2012
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Liberals come in 2 basic varieties
1.) Those that are so rich that they've lost all contact with reality and think that the live-and-let-live philosophy can effectively be applied to every possible aspect of life so that we can all co-exist in some sort of acid-tripping petrie dish of love and sharing. They have enough money so that their annual income no longer makes much of a difference, or their lawyers and/or money managers are in control of their finances to the degree that no amount of taxation will ever trouble them.
Example: Larry David, as he is portrayed on Curb Your Enthusiasm. Net worth. Drives a Prius. Can afford to drive a Gulf Stream.
2.) Those that are ineffectual and unambitious enough that they automatically blame anybody above their own socio-economic level for some sort of oppression--because, afterall, who else but the rich man can possibly be at fault for a poor man's failing.
Example: Too many to name. Drives a Cadillac STS but had to take out a second mortgage to afford the monthly payments. Can afford to drive a Pruis.
Conservatives have varieties of their own, of course... the "Religion in public school" crowd epitomize one--comperable to the 2nd variety of liberal. The "I don't want to give my money away to parasitic public programs" epitomize the other.
Personally, I'd rather there be no religion in school, but at the same time, don't want to pay taxes to support the dregs... I like to refer to my variety as the "Neolibetive"
look out 2012
LOL.......I have news for you.......that IS larry david.
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Well-meaning * Conservatives are people who are concerned about the BS we take off the government and the underclass. Well-meaning * Liberals are people who are concerned about the BS emanating from corporations and the troubles of the honest poor and hard-luck cases.
I am considered to lean well to the right on most issues, but Liberals have a valid concern in many cases, although I may not agree with their solutions. For instance, anyone can look at how much trouble the VA has in giving decent medical care just to veterans, and extrapolate that nationalized health care would be even more screwed up. Yet the fact remains that there are hardworking folks without a shred of health insurance out there. While you CAN get indigent care in the case of a major health crisis in this country, uncovered folks are dodging alot of checkups and preventative medicine.
And where can a gun-loving Conservative or rigidly consistent Libertarian stand on these corporations that forbid their employees to carry their personal weapon onto company property? They are exercising their lawful property rights, yet for all intents and purposes, they are taking away the right to carry weapons for self-defense from their employees.
Things aren't always so simple that you can assign horns to one party and halos to another.
*Politicians of whatever stripe, and I hope this is obvious to everyone by now, are the OPPOSITE of well-meaning.
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LOL.......I have news for you.......that IS larry david.
I don't doubt it.
I put in the qualification because I've never met him personally, nor have I ever been exposed to his politics outside of that show. I go by what I've seen, not what I can infer.
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Well-meaning * Conservatives are people who are concerned about the BS we take off the government and the underclass. Well-meaning * Liberals are people who are concerned about the BS emanating from corporations and the troubles of the honest poor and hard-luck cases.
I am considered to lean well to the right on most issues, but Liberals have a valid concern in many cases, although I may not agree with their solutions. For instance, anyone can look at how much trouble the VA has in giving decent medical care just to veterans, and extrapolate that nationalized health care would be even more screwed up. Yet the fact remains that there are hardworking folks without a shred of health insurance out there. While you CAN get indigent care in the case of a major health crisis in this country, uncovered folks are dodging alot of checkups and preventative medicine.
And where can a gun-loving Conservative stand on these corporations that forbid their employees to carry their personal weapon onto company property? They are exercising their lawful property rights, yet for all intents and purposes, they are taking away the right to carry weapons for self-defense from their employees.
*Politicians of whatever stripe, and I hope this is obvious to everyone by now, are the OPPOSITE of well-meaning.
vet health issues were not talked about nearly as much by the dems before iraq..so take that with a grain of salt.
guns at work? work is private property...and the owner can make the call.
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I think liberals try to make things "fair", and aren't afraid to shake things up in this effort- Well meaning, but life isn't fair, which libs seem to miss occasionally.
Conservatives are fearful and distruhugsl of ANY change, and would rather sit in a tub of poo than take a chance on pulling the plug and refilling it because they're afraid what comes out of the nozzle might be worse. What has amused me the past eight years is the Conservatives STILL blame the Libs for anything and everything- Iraq, housing collapse, energy crisis- in spite of controlling Congress and the Presidency.
You know, I often wonder about what the actual traumatic event is that causes modern day liberalism. Everytime I come back to it, I'm sure it's getting picked last for dodgeball.
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You know, I often wonder about what the actual traumatic event is that causes modern day liberalism. Everytime I come back to it, I'm sure it's getting picked last for dodgeball.
usually......and I am being serious here........not enough hugs from mom and dad. it has a lot to do with wanting attention...as evidenced by the overwhelming odds of liberals who are performers and media people.
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One thinks with its heart...one thinks with its mind
one is scared of this and does not trust or "feel" you are capable of owning anything that launches projectiles....
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x141/BrokerBwurth/Imbel.jpg)
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guns at work? work is private property...and the owner can make the call.
What you mean to say is that if the owner won't even let you carry a gun in your car onto the parking lot, and brings gun-sniffing dogs onto the premises to check, he has the power to make your CCL useless for self-defense going to and from work. (Which is most of your regular person's to-ing and fro-ing.)
Not that many employees had warning either, many businesses, large and small, started these policies AFTER CCL laws came online in various states. So what, quit a job you've been at for years because they suddenly slapped an ass-hat policy down that has a chance, albeit it remote, of actually KILLING you?
Of course, for years there has been a "500 foot rule", about guns around schools, which prevents you from being in the legal clear picking up your kid if you leave your revolver in the gun box, or the deer rifle on the gun-rack for that matter. This policy did jack to prevent psychotics from shooting their classmates of course, but that I suppose is another issue entirely.
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Liberals: want to tell everyone what to do in their public lives
Conservatives: want to tell everyone what to do in their private lives
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Libertarians smell GREAT!
Being a Libertarian is manly and the chicks dig it, like Irish Spring.
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Liberals: want to tell everyone what to do in their public lives
Conservatives: want to tell everyone what to do in their private lives
winner!
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keep it civil please.....
Liberals, I think, all share the idea that first and foremost they are victims of some kind.
hehe. You are funny.
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hehe. You are funny.
hit home for you?
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hit home for you?
if home is my funny bone.
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from the look of your posts........I thought you had that surgically removed.
my bad.......that was your charisma bypass...
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Oh my god... knee slappin funny dude... comon, don't you have a yo Momma joke to share too? I hope you do.
Or maybe this is all an expuriment? Yeah... do any sniping in central america? Or maybe hunt marmots?
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Oh my god... knee slappin funny dude... comon, don't you have a yo Momma joke to share too? I hope you do.
Or maybe this is all an expuriment? Yeah... do any sniping in central america? Or maybe hunt marmots?
....that took seven minutes?
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keep it civil please.....
I've pondered this a lot. I also have many here call me a "Republican"..and I'm not. I'm and Indy...with Conservative leanings on most issues...but not all...
anywho...I think it boils down to what type of government we want...
As a conservative...I only want-expect and demand one thing from my Government..which also happens to be their primary job....and that is to protect me and my family. that's it. I'll do the rest.
Liberals, I think, all share the idea that first and foremost they are victims of some kind. I also think they want government to play a part in every facet of theirs, and everyone else's life.
what do you think?
you've touched on one of the issues the Ron Paul campaign tried to bring into the debate, the role of government. Modern day "conservatives" and "liberals" pretty much agree that gov't exists to run the economy, regulate social behaviors, provide social and corporate welfare, etc., etc... For them, the "role of gov't" is basically to regulate and tax whatever they can and they mainly only disagree on where to spend the taxes.
I believe that the role of gov't is expressed in the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...
IMHO, government's only legitimate role is to protect our rights. Providing for a national defense is in line with protecting our rights, while managing the economy, regulating behavior and providing welfare (individual and corporate) are not.
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A Liberal is a Conservative who's been in Prison.
A Conservative is a Liberal who's been mugged.
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you've touched on one of the issues the Ron Paul campaign tried to bring into the debate, the role of government. Modern day "conservatives" and "liberals" pretty much agree that gov't exists to run the economy, regulate social behaviors, provide social and corporate welfare, etc., etc... For them, the "role of gov't" is basically to regulate and tax whatever they can and they mainly only disagree on where to spend the taxes.
I believe that the role of gov't is expressed in the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...
IMHO, government's only legitimate role is to protect our rights. Providing for a national defense is in line with protecting our rights, while managing the economy, regulating behavior and providing welfare (individual and corporate) are not.
points taken...and appreciate...but how do you suggest our cumulative funds are managed withough govt?
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points taken...and appreciate...but how do you suggest our cumulative funds are managed withough govt?
what do you mean by "our cumulative funds"?
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what do you mean by "our cumulative funds"?
"managing the economy"
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Stopping people committing crime is regulating behavior.
Providing aid to the victims of hurricane Katrina is welfare.
A state owned military is a nationalized defense system,and is by it's nature socialist.
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"managing the economy"
in a nutshell, let the free market work...
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Stopping people committing crime is regulating behavior.
In a sense you're right, but what is a "crime"? A "crime" is a behavior that violates someones rights, hence gov't has a legitimate role there in that it exists to protect our rights. A behavior that does not violate anyone else's rights is not a crime and should not be subject to gov't regulation.
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"managing the economy"
You do understand that these are the same folks that will spend $10,000 on a regular old toilet seat without blinking an eye, and you "trust" them to manage the economy? :huh
Every time the government gets more involved the worse things get. Efficient is NOT in the governments vocabulary and they have NO buisness trying to "manage" the economy. Most of the can't even manage a complete thought without help from some aid.
The less government in my life the better off I am.
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If you ever figure out what makes a liberal tick, you'll be the richest man alive. They have no basis in their thinking that relates to logic, common sense, or reality.
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If you ever figure out what makes a liberal tick, you'll be the richest man alive. They have no basis in their thinking that relates to logic, common sense, or reality.
better off if we end this thread...seems my political posts are considered flaming or inciting...rather than healthy and passionate conversations..
anywho...not my board...and I don't make the rules. I'll see you cats in the arena's.......... zetanine is outta here....
be good to eachother...
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If you ever figure out what makes a liberal tick, you'll be the richest man alive. They have no basis in their thinking that relates to logic, common sense, or reality.
Indeed. And if you push them using logic, common sense, or reality, they'll inevitably become frustrated and start calling you names. :D
Hey Flatbar, love your avatar. You think any of these kids know who Crazy Guggenheim was?
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This is a Conservative tick; it's a FatCat from sucking the blood out of the citizenry:
(http://www.hiltonpond.org/images/TickBirdAnterior01.jpg)
This is a Liberal tick it's also a FatCat from sucking the blood out of the citizenry:
(http://www.hiltonpond.org/images/TickBirdAnterior01.jpg)
This is a Libertarian tick, a lean mean fighting machine:
(http://kirayamato04.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/tick1_1.jpg)
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Not all political posts are considered flaming or inciting, but yours (currently this one) are, largely because you're insulting Liberals.
keep it civil please.....
I've pondered this a lot. I also have many here call me a "Republican"..and I'm not. I'm and Indy...with Conservative leanings on most issues...but not all...
anywho...I think it boils down to what type of government we want...
As a conservative...I only want-expect and demand one thing from my Government..which also happens to be their primary job....and that is to protect me and my family. that's it. I'll do the rest.
Liberals, I think, all share the idea that first and foremost they are victims of some kind. I also think they want government to play a part in every facet of theirs, and everyone else's life.
what do you think?
Anyway, the reason you don't seem to be getting anywhere in your ponderings is largely because you're attempting to apply vastly inaccurate stereotypes to people who support different styles of Democracy. In addition to this, you've assumed that Liberals are fundamentally different from Conservatives, which is also almost entirely incorrect. As a direct result of these, you're probably never going to come to any accurate conclusion in your thoughts on this topic.
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Yossarian
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One thinks with its heart...one thinks with its mind
one is scared of this and does not trust or "feel" you are capable of owning anything that launches projectiles....
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x141/BrokerBwurth/Imbel.jpg)
In the interest of lightening things up, I have to ask.....
Why put a scope on something that shoots 8 MOA groups?
j/k :D, Nice FN :aok
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Liberals like to give a man a fish, Conservatives expect a man to learn how to fish in the middle of a desert.
Neither really makes much sense to me.
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Liberals: want to tell everyone what to do in their public lives
Conservatives: want to tell everyone what to do in their private lives
:rofl :rofl :rofl that about sums it up..
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MONEY!! and alot of it!!!
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Nice one Toad. :lol
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well.. I too have been called a conservative and a republican.. I am neither but....
I have more of their thinking than that of todays liberal socialists.
I don't want either party to tell me what to do or to take my money from me so long as (in the former) I am not hurting anyone and in the later.. take my money except to raise an army for the common defense and set up courts to protect me from unfairness.
The can even have a small police force.. everything else... I don't want or need it and I feel it is immoral to take my money for it.
Democracy is a very dangerous thing.. it is not any ideal I subscribe to.. it is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on whats for dinner.
If the government owns most of the land... if they want to build roads.. they can put a fee on the use.. that is fair.. they can say put a tax on gasoline and license... And by weight.,.. but.. they should only be able to use that money to fix and build roads.
They have no right to tell me if I can do drugs or own a gun. If I get loaded on drugs and kill someone... that makes me a murderer.
lazs
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Liberals like to give a man a fish, Conservatives expect a man to learn how to fish in the middle of a desert.
Neither really makes much sense to me.
Not quite.
Liberals like to make every other man give a fish to those who don't know how.
Conservatives expect a man to learn how to fish, but don't think they should pay for it.
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Not quite.
Liberals like to make every other man give a fish to those who don't know how.
Conservatives expect a man to learn how to fish, but don't think they should pay for it.
No the current "conservatives" who are in the white house are "religious Conservatives.. They expect Jesus to give them all their fish. If Jesus doesn't come through it's obviously the liberals fault for supporting abortion and gay rights. :rofl :rofl
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Attitudes about poverty most readily distinguish the differences between liberals and conservatives.
The nation's poor can be divided into two basic types: the group of "genuine poor" whose poverty is due to social, educational, or racial factors beyond their control; and the second group, the "counterfeit poor" if you will, whose poverty results solely from their own conscious, deliberate, manipulative actions.
The true, unadulterated liberal, is unable to distinguish the differences between the two. Neither can the true, unadulterated conservative.
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keep it civil please.....
I've pondered this a lot. I also have many here call me a "Republican"..and I'm not. I'm and Indy...with Conservative leanings on most issues...but not all...
anywho...I think it boils down to what type of government we want...
As a conservative...I only want-expect and demand one thing from my Government..which also happens to be their primary job....and that is to protect me and my family. that's it. I'll do the rest.
Liberals, I think, all share the idea that first and foremost they are victims of some kind. I also think they want government to play a part in every facet of theirs, and everyone else's life.
what do you think?
the civil war was so like 150 yrs ago.
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No the current "conservatives" who are in the white house are "religious Conservatives.. They expect Jesus to give them all their fish. If Jesus doesn't come through it's obviously the liberals fault for supporting abortion and gay rights. :rofl :rofl
No, you confuse conservatism with republicanism. But that's ok.
We know that getting picked last at any and every sport was traumatic for you.
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We know that getting picked last at any and every sport was traumatic for you.
saiz the guy with the cartoon avatar.
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To be a true supporter of either party.
First you have to go to the doctor of your chosen party and get one of these
(http://bp3.blogger.com/_33zMiBW5SuM/R-kWemraPBI/AAAAAAAAAxc/sSc3Ko9tgMI/s400/lobotomy.jpg)
Its ok. they are cheap. But financing is available
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ox0InbvSZp93zM:http://www.mike.geiger.ca/blog/uploads/photos/200709/QuickLobotomy.jpg)
The rest is easy.
You just blindly follow wherever they lead you.
:)
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"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."
Franklin Roosevelt
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Attitudes about poverty most readily distinguish the differences between liberals and conservatives.
The nation's poor can be divided into two basic types: the group of "genuine poor" whose poverty is due to social, educational, or racial factors beyond their control; and the second group, the "counterfeit poor" if you will, whose poverty results solely from their own conscious, deliberate, manipulative actions.
The true, unadulterated liberal, is unable to distinguish the differences between the two. Neither can the true, unadulterated conservative.
Not quite. Conservatives believe there is no excuse for either.
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I would say that it can be broken down as follows:
- Conservatives don't like being told what to do, are ambitious, and like to take care of themselves.
- Liberals like telling others what to do, are lazy, and want to be taken care of.
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:aok Right on the money with this statement!!!!
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this thread had fail and troll written all over it.
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Repubs = Sphincters
Dems = Armpits
Both tend to stink but the reason is more obvious for one group.
OK, but what do you think about liberals vs conservatives?
Liberals look to government to solve problems.
Conservatives tend to look at government as part of the problem.
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OK, but what do you think about liberals vs conservatives?
Liberals look to government to solve problems.
Conservatives tend to look at government as part of the problem.
20 years ago your statement would be accurate, but modern (neo) conservatives believe more gov't is the answer just as much as the libs do.
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What ever happened to the people that want to earn a good living, be taxed less, have the government stay out of their business and in return, want nothing to do with their neighbors' business, beliefs or bedroom habits?
Seriously, I'm shopping around for a support group and the closest thing I've found is Agoraphobics Anonymous.
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20 years ago your statement would be accurate, but modern (neo) conservatives believe more gov't is the answer just as much as the libs do.
This man gets it.
:salute :aok :salute :aok
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What ever happened to the people that want to earn a good living, be taxed less, have the government stay out of their business and in return, want nothing to do with their neighbors' business, beliefs or bedroom habits?
Seriously, I'm shopping around for a support group and the closest thing I've found is Agoraphobics Anonymous.
They're a casualty of soccer mom and turtle neck gay special interest activist lobbyists. Representative-cape-tugging inactivity is tantamount to playing dead. THE REVOLUTION IS NIGH
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turtle neck gay special interest activist lobbyists.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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This man gets it.
:salute :aok :salute :aok
Uhhh no.
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its a bit tuff for me to see 500 yds for a center mass hit...thsi is why it has a scope..which is a easy-on off for quick irons
also..that is a Austrian made tack drive; )
very scary to the limp wristed libs