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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Getback on July 20, 2008, 12:08:55 AM
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I was listening to a talk radio station earlier this week. One of the guests said that "we can't drill ourselves out of this" The same statement that Nancy Pelosi said. So it seems the dems have their marching orders. What really irritated me about this was can't a democrat think for themselves and are they suppose to represent the people who elected them or Nancy Pelosi. I believe, and I'm not totally sure on this, it was someone called Roma who made read the script sent to him by Pelosi. Just sad.
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Pelosi is too stupid to write a script.
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why doesn't anybody talk about increasing refining capcity to
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T Boone Pickens is spamming the same thing
"we cant drill our way out of this crisis"
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why doesn't anybody talk about increasing refining capcity to
Thats another thing that needs to be done.
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why doesn't anybody talk about increasing refining capcity to
Because the Republicans also have their marching orders...it's called "Blame a Democrat".
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why doesn't anybody talk about increasing refining capcity to
Because the US already has enough refining capacity. In fact, it has too much at the moment. In June refiners took just 8.5% of the price of a gallon of gasoline to cover their costs and profits. That's about 35c a gallon. You can't get refining costs much lower than that, in fact they may already be unsustainably low.
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Because the Republicans also have their marching orders...it's called "Blame a Democrat".
Crockett. B ush just lifted the Presidential ban on offshore drilling. What is holding up the DEMOCRATIC led Congress from lifting their ban?
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Crockett. B ush just lifted the Presidential ban on offshore drilling. What is holding up the DEMOCRATIC led Congress from lifting their ban?
They know the high oil prices are damaging to the republicans.
I doubt they want to do anything to change that right now.
See this thread:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,241457.0.html
Joker
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Because the Republicans also have their marching orders...it's called "Blame a Democrat".
there is no way you can really be this dense. this isn't a dem/rep challenge and neither party will move forward until they are kicked in the bellybutton at the grass roots level.
all of us should be bombarding our reps in both house with messages emails and letters demanding action be taken on all fronts. that would be drilling, alternatives in the transportation sector and utilizing nuclear power to generate electricity.
turn your banal posts into productive communication to our elected officials in that hellhole we have created in DC
we all should
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Because the Republicans also have their marching orders...it's called "Blame a Democrat".
Can't we do both? ;)
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Crockett. B ush just lifted the Presidential ban on offshore drilling. What is holding up the DEMOCRATIC led Congress from lifting their ban?
Nancy doesn't want to make the pres. look like he knows what he is doing!! I.E. we cant do what he did, that would mean he was right!!
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It is one of the bounciest, most fun political footballs I've seen in a long time.
Still, look at France. Most of their electrical energy comes from nuclear power plants. They export power to other countries!
Why don't WE do that? Liberal democrats is why.
Same with tapping our own fossil fuel. I think the record clearly shows obstructionism on the part of the democrats over the years.
And now, during the election campaigns Pelosi and the dems will certainly drag their feet. We will see a change in the democrat position after the election. people will laugh at the democrats when they flip flop on this. We WILL drill.
And we will explore, refine, and develope new technology for energy.
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This thread gave me deja vu .....
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,241117.0.html
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It is one of the bounciest, most fun political footballs I've seen in a long time.
Still, look at France. Most of their electrical energy comes from nuclear power plants. They export power to other countries!
Why don't WE do that? Liberal democrats is why.
Same with tapping our own fossil fuel. I think the record clearly shows obstructionism on the part of the democrats over the years.
And now, during the election campaigns Pelosi and the dems will certainly drag their feet. We will see a change in the democrat position after the election. people will laugh at the democrats when they flip flop on this. We WILL drill.
And we will explore, refine, and develope new technology for energy.
thats a very good point teh france is the world leader in very safely operated nuclear powerplants. I had forgotten that.
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This thread gave me deja vu .....
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,241117.0.html
Well actually I thought it was close to several threads. Still though I thought that the Marching orders were just a hair different. Further I thought that since I have heard the same spill from so many on the left it was worth a different thread.
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Nancy doesn't want to make the pres. look like he knows what he is doing!! I.E. we cant do what he did, that would mean he was right!!
Congress will have to act in some 73 days on whether to renew the offshore ban or not...(It will be beFORE the election) will be VERY fun to watch :P
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France's nuclear program would never fly here unfortunately, it would be referred to as socialism by most on this board.
France reactor approval time is measured in months, ours in years.
France settled on one very advanced design years ago, we are screwing around with five designs in the name of competition, but hey, lobbyists gotta eat too :lol
shamus
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Pelosi is right, we can't simply drill out of this. Drilling should be only one part of a multi-step process.
1. Drill, screw the wildlife and with today's technology we can avoid destroying environments anyway.
2. Fast track substitution fuels that can be added to today's supply, now. (ie our gas is about 10% ethanol now, if we can find a similar additive to increase the % to 30% it would make a huge difference in the prices)
3. Fast track alternative fuels/technology, with American ingenuity, this should be a no-brainer.
4. Move our power plants towards nuclear power and tape the mouths of anyone not willing to use yucca mountain.
5. Hang any oil lobbyist found in Washington DC.
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bush opens his mouth and the "speculators" lose money on dropping oil ... the dems state "no drilling" and oil creeps back up ..
yes, we cant use new oil for at least 7 years but the speculators will feel it overnight and we'd see the drop in everything about as fast
until we all agree to additional drilling, the 7 years will always be 7 years out ...
additional drilling/leases and alternative energies/fuels is the answer - not just one or the other
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bush opens his mouth and the "speculators" lose money on dropping oil ... the dems state "no drilling" and oil creeps back up ..
yes, we cant use new oil for at least 7 years but the speculators will feel it overnight and we'd see the drop in everything about as fast
until we all agree to additional drilling, the 7 years will always be 7 years out ...
additional drilling/leases and alternative energies/fuels is the answer - not just one or the other
Ahhh..you have apparently not been paying attention Eagler--although this is the largest drop in crude prices in YEARS, the drop starting the day Bush made the announcement is pure coincidence, according to several knowledgeable people on this board :aok
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Crockett. B ush just lifted the Presidential ban on offshore drilling. What is holding up the DEMOCRATIC led Congress from lifting their ban?
Why is it, if it was so Important that Bush waited until there was a Democratic Congress to try and get it passed? Humm I mean he only had 6 years do do something before but quite ironically he waits until the Democrats take control of Congress in a presidential election year.
Then again I guess one could argue the same thing about..
Boarder security
Port Security
ect..ect..
You guys trying to act like this is just a Democrats attempt to make Republicans look bad, need to pull your heads out of the sand. Arguing about ANWR has been going on since the 70's. The two times that it was almost opened up, within a few days to a week there were major oil spills causing it to be stopped. The first one was the Exxon Valdez spill that covered coastline the length of California and the second one was a oil line spill that dumped 200 thousand barrels of oil.
If you want to blame anyone, blame the oil companies that can't seem to work around the world with out at least one major oil spill per year and many smaller ones on a monthly basis. Hell just this year in July there has been a spill in Austria of 400K gallons of crude.
Also btw those that keep listening to the talking heads preaching not a drop of oil was spilled in the Gulf during Katrina don't exactly have their facts straight.
As a result of both storms, a total volume of 17,652 barrels (or roughly three-quarters of a million gallons) of total petroleum products, of which 13,137 barrels were crude oil and condensate, was spilled from platforms, rigs and pipelines. 4,514 barrels were refined products from platforms and rigs.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/19/opinion/main4275167.shtml?source=mostpop_story
It also appears there has been a crude oil spill in China in the last 10 hours but not much news up about it just yet.
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking_news_detail.asp?id=677&icid=3&d_str=20080718
Another article from yesterday.. telling us how off shore drilling is much safer but small spills are a regular occurrence..
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/5897424.html
Here is an article about a oil spill from earlier this year when two tankers ran into each other..
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/rehabilitated-penguins-released-following-oil-spill-uruguay/
So just because you don't "hear" about oil spills doesnt mean they aren't happening. As someone who lives right next to the beach and happens to like my beach with out oil.. Well I think it's fairly easy to say why people don't want oil rigs off their shores.
It's very easy for you guys sitting in land locked areas to act as it's no big deal.. However if you are the ones that are directly affected by the decision then it's a whole different ball game.
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Why is it, if it was so Important that Bush waited until there was a Democratic Congress to try and get it passed? Humm I mean he only had 6 years do do something before but quite ironically he waits until the Democrats take control of Congress in a presidential election year.
before the democratic congress gas was about half what it is now.
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Why is it, if it was so Important that Bush waited until there was a Democratic Congress to try and get it passed? Humm I mean he only had 6 years do do something before but quite ironically he waits until the Democrats take control of Congress in a presidential election year.
There are three branches of government in the USA.
The President, who administers the laws Congress passes; The Congress who passes laws; and the Judicial who makes sure the other two branches follow the rules for doing what they do.
Congress must change the policy of the USA.
Why didn't Congress change the policy before the President asked them to?
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before the democratic congress gas was about half what it is now.
It was well in the $3+ range before the Dem's were in congress..
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Maybe it is just my memory, but I can't remember the democratic congress doing anything to improve our economy, or about anything for that matter.
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It was well in the $3+ range before the Dem's were in congress..
Pelosi was elected Speaker in 2006.
Jan 2007, Gas was about $2.20/gal
(http://66.70.86.64/ch.gaschart?Country=Canada&Crude=f&Period=24&Areas=USA Average,Canada Average,&Unit=US $/G)
not that one really has to do with the other.
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It was well in the $3+ range before the Dem's were in congress..
From the mid-1980s to September 2003, the inflation adjusted price of a barrel of crude oil on NYMEX was generally under $25/barrel. During 2004, the price rose above $40, then $50. A series of events led the price to exceed $60 by August 11, 2005, briefly exceed $75 in the middle of 2006, fall back to $60/barrel by the early part of 2007, then rise steeply to $92/barrel by October 2007 and $99.29/barrel for December futures in New York on November 21, 2007. Throughout the first half of 2008, oil regularly reached record high prices. On February 29, 2008, oil prices peaked at $103.05 per barrel, and reached $110.20 on March 12, 2008, the sixth record in seven trading days. Prices on June 27, 2008, touched $141.71/barrel, for August delivery in the New York Mercantile Exchange (after the recent $140.56/barrel), amid Libya's threat to cut output, and OPEC's president predicted prices may reach $170 by the Northern summer. The most recent price per barrel maximum of $147.02 was reached on July 11, 2008.
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From the mid-1980s to September 2003, the inflation adjusted price of a barrel of crude oil on NYMEX was generally under $25/barrel. During 2004, the price rose above $40, then $50. A series of events led the price to exceed $60 by August 11, 2005, briefly exceed $75 in the middle of 2006, fall back to $60/barrel by the early part of 2007, then rise steeply to $92/barrel by October 2007 and $99.29/barrel for December futures in New York on November 21, 2007. Throughout the first half of 2008, oil regularly reached record high prices. On February 29, 2008, oil prices peaked at $103.05 per barrel, and reached $110.20 on March 12, 2008, the sixth record in seven trading days. Prices on June 27, 2008, touched $141.71/barrel, for August delivery in the New York Mercantile Exchange (after the recent $140.56/barrel), amid Libya's threat to cut output, and OPEC's president predicted prices may reach $170 by the Northern summer. The most recent price per barrel maximum of $147.02 was reached on July 11, 2008.
Quite Ironic that Bush was in the middle of his sabre rattling with Iran about that time.. I do seem to remember pretty much anytime Iran came up in the news is was suddenly a increase in oil prices, but of course it's just much easier to blame Democrats in congress.
I remember us having an argument about this where some of us claimed Bush was responsible for the oil price rise for his actions in the middle east. Yet you same O clubbers went on and on about how Bush doesn't set the price and blahh blahh blahh.. Yet now you turn around and try to blame it all on Democrats in congress.. you guys are classic I tell you it's some funny stuff.
Holden McGroin why don't you post a chart on the rise of oil prices for Bush's entire presidency and not just cherry pick one little time line that agree with your argument. ;)
The simple fact is, after being mostly stable for years, once Bush came to the white house oil has doubled it's price every three years, yet somehow it's the democrats in Congress's fault. :lol
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Holden McGroin why don't you post a chart on the rise of oil prices for Bush's entire presidency and not just cherry pick one little time line that agree with your argument. ;)
Because you wrongly claimed, " It was well in the $3+ range before the Dem's were in congress..." So I posted a chart with an appropriate timescale.
The simple fact is, after being mostly stable for years, once Bush came to the white house oil has doubled it's price every three years, yet somehow it's the democrats in Congress's fault. :lol
Here is a longer time scale that disproves yet another one of your assertions:
(http://www.randomuseless.info/gasprice/gasprice.png)
Doubling every three years of the 2001 price, (1.60 from this chart) would be $3.20 in 2004, $6.40 in 2007.
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I think you whacked out liberal socialist democrats are going to have a hard time convincing the soccer moms that you are not drilling for more oil.... "for their own good"
Just like you had a hard time convincing the people that DC gun control was constitutional based on the idiotic notion that the second was a "collective" right.. socialist love "collective" eh?
You guys are really on the wrong side of some pretty big issues lately.. you have the whole media in your pocket but you are soooooo wrong that even that won't do it.
lazs
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I remember us having an argument about this where some of us claimed Bush was responsible for the oil price rise for his actions in the middle east. Yet you same O clubbers went on and on about how Bush doesn't set the price and blahh blahh blahh.. Yet now you turn around and try to blame it all on Democrats in congress.. you guys are classic I tell you it's some funny stuff.
I remember that thread and Bush doesn't set oil prices, neither does Congress. Many things, including the war going on in Iraq can effect the oil prices. Higher demand also effects prices, China and India are using more oil than ever before. That too is driving the price up.
Now when things could be done to help alleviate high gas prices here at home, the President has lifted the executive ban on offshore drilling and Speaker Pelosi is adamantly refusing to do the same. Personally I don't believe the ban should have been put in place to begin with.