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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on July 21, 2008, 07:57:07 AM
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Yep.. this guy gets it and so do some other euros...
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/traffic
Pretty much, if you make enough nanny laws.. not only will people ignore them but they will ignore their own safety because they think it is all taken care of for em.
lazs
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I learned something new : the 4 ways stop.
But I can't understand the concept behind !
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I've felt this way for years.
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Never been to the states, but the people I know say that the driving is ok.
Been driving in Germany and France, and Sweden as well. France was sometimes on the funny side...
But...I'd never drive in some parts of the UK....
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for real driving experience one must drive in italy and especially in naples
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Never been to the states, but the people I know say that the driving is ok.
Been driving in Germany and France, and Sweden as well. France was sometimes on the funny side...
But...I'd never drive in some parts of the UK....
Depends on your definition of driving. If you can't do it without talking on your cell and beating your kids, then welcome to the USA. If you tire of left lane bandits going 50mph, you'll go insane.
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Not sure about the Brits but the French concept of driving is insane.
I've never seen such insane, aggressive drivers. The women are not exempt. French drivers aren't bad as Israeli drivers but that's damning with faint praise. There seems to be a part of the French national character to bottle up all their rage and then let it explode in a barely restrained show of homocidal intent once they get behind the wheel.
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for real driving experience one must drive in italy and especially in naples
nah....drive in south philly for a bit.......you'll love I95 after that experience,,,,,
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Signs, signs, everywhere signs.
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Here in Portland the commie cyclists are getting uppity, I think we should be allowed to run them over. Get your childrens toy off the road you spandex wearing homo.
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Signs, we don't need no steekin' signs!
I think the Brit has it right. There is this additional article in Wired on tests and actual design in Holland.
We pass by the performing arts center, and suddenly, there it is: the Intersection. It's the confluence of two busy two-lane roads that handle 20,000 cars a day, plus thousands of bicyclists and pedestrians. Several years ago, Monderman ripped out all the traditional instruments used by traffic engineers to influence driver behavior - traffic lights, road markings, and some pedestrian crossings - and in their place created a roundabout, or traffic circle. The circle is remarkable for what it doesn't contain: signs or signals telling drivers how fast to go, who has the right-of-way, or how to behave. There are no lane markers or curbs separating street and sidewalk, so it's unclear exactly where the car zone ends and the pedestrian zone begins. To an approaching driver, the intersection is utterly ambiguous - and that's the point.
Monderman and I stand in silence by the side of the road a few minutes, watching the stream of motorists, cyclists, and pedestrians make their way through the circle, a giant concrete mixing bowl of transport. Somehow it all works. The drivers slow to gauge the intentions of crossing bicyclists and walkers. Negotiations over right-of-way are made through fleeting eye contact. Remarkably, traffic moves smoothly around the circle with hardly a brake screeching, horn honking, or obscene gesture. "I love it!" Monderman says at last. "Pedestrians and cyclists used to avoid this place, but now, as you see, the cars look out for the cyclists, the cyclists look out for the pedestrians, and everyone looks out for each other. You can't expect traffic signs and street markings to encourage that sort of behavior. You have to build it into the design of the road."
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.12/traffic.html
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I've driven in philly and in italy. while philly, boston and new york are all interesting places to drive they pale to my beloved miami. my beloved miami is a drive in the park compared to southern italy
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Well, I've never been to England but I kinda like the Beatles.
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Forgot to tell you...my maiden voyages in France were with a wagon full of cattle, and then some week later with a wagon to pick up the carcasses.
Some of the crossings were odd. My ride was a Nissan patrol with blinded back windows....booo
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Well, I've never been to England but I kinda like the Beatles.
Well, I headed for Las Vegas, only made it out to Needles
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Well, I headed for Las Vegas, only made it out to Needles
In Oklahoma or Arizona what does it matter.
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So we'd be better off with no street signs at all?
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So we'd be better off with no street signs at all?
That would seem to be the conclusion of the articles author. Strange as it seems to us who are so used to a sign telling us when to pick our noses it may well be true.
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Here in Portland the commie cyclists are getting uppity, I think we should be allowed to run them over. Get your childrens toy off the road you spandex wearing homo.
I feel the same way, and I don't even drive.
Road in Auckland, me on one side, supermarket on the other. Wait for light to change. Outlaw bikie, wearing his colours, chugs up, slows down on the yellow, stops on the red. I start to cross.
Whizz!
Some enviro-friendly superhero reckons his low carbon footprint allows him to ignore the rules of the road, nearly runs into me.
Fargin pillars of society my hairy ***.
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Beach Road in Melbourne Australia is like that too. The shaven-legged, lycra wearing poofs think that it's ok for them to ignore red lights (which resulted in the death of a pedestrian earlier this year and the cyclist got off lightly). In addition to this, they feel that it is fine to block one and a half lanes of a two lane road whilst rolling along at 20 kms under the speed limit.
The law says bicycles should not ride more than two abreast but that doesn't stop anyone from riding in packs of 30 and 40, 5 riders across.
They essentially form a slow moving bus that drives in the middle of the road. :furious bastids
There was a funny case of road-rage a while ago.... a bunch of cyclists blocked this guy in his car and wouldn't move or narrow their group so the guy overtook them on the wrong side of the road and got infront of them.....then slammed on his brakes. They all ran up the back of him and crashed into each other :lol
A bit harsh, one or two of them were in training for the olympics.... but still, good for a laugh. :rofl
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Never been to the states, but the people I know say that the driving is ok.
Been driving in Germany and France, and Sweden as well. France was sometimes on the funny side...
But...I'd never drive in some parts of the UK....
Driving in the States for the most part is pretty nice. Only time it gets even slightly dangerous is in downtown and then, you're only going at most 20 miles per hour.
But like everywhere, there are idiots on the road and you got to be careful of them. My friend's whole left side of his face is metal because of somebody going 75 in a 55mph speedlimit and T-Boning him.
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Two places every American should drive just for the experience: Jamaica and the Philippines. Jamaicans appear to have no rules and everyone drives helter-skelter and in the Phils the roads are broken and pitted with potholes and if you leave the road you may never be seen again and there are NO signs and also appears to be no rules and yet fewer CRASHES/capita than the states. Accidents in both places due to mechanical problems (they actually HAVE poverty versus what we CALL poverty) are higher of course.
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The health and safety exec strikes again.
When I was a kid we used to have "adventure playgrounds", no padded floors under the slides, no hand rails, no warning signs, just rough wood and things to jump off while holding a rope and screaming wildly. Don't see em anymore.....but accidents were rare cos you were always wary of stepping on a nail or falling head first onto a pile of bricks or something.
Same goes with roads, too many rules and regs and you forget to look for that nail......
Did you know the 70mph blanket speed limit in Britain is all due to some fella who drove an AC Cobra (a Shelby to yoo Yanks) up the M1 (the first British freeway) at 180mph. Liberals were so appalled the gov reacted with the 70mph limit where originally (back in the 60s anyway) there was none.
Poxy.
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Well... as bad as things are getting now, I was lucky to even get to play tag up to 3rd or 4th grade. Then they tried to ban it and we still played. :rolleyes: :mad:
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mt.. what the guy is saying is that if you make enough signs and rules that pretty soon both are ignored...
And.. that the more "safe" you make things the more people feel that they are invincible... "seat belts will save your life in a wreck" why worry?
I also notice that since cars feel so stable at 90 mph these days.. you see little girls driving in the rain at 90 mph on tires as wide as my forearm.. one handed. They kill a bunch every year first day of rain.
In the old days.. when you were going 90 mph... you knew it.. it was loud and things shook and the steering got weird.
lazs
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That would seem to be the conclusion of the articles author. Strange as it seems to us who are so used to a sign telling us when to pick our noses it may well be true.
you guys actually take time to read the signs?