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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mg1942 on July 21, 2008, 02:34:25 PM
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2009 GT-R (http://www.viddler.com/explore/NAGTROC/videos/9/11.399)
Some titillating questions they answered...
- Does it have no soul? Does it drive like a video game therefore the driver feels detached from the control input?
- The exterior may be badly designed (to some eyes) but does it serve any purpose?
- Can it change direction faster than your neck can take?
- Is this just another car produced by Nissan or a new yardstick produced by Nissan?
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also
GT-R vs Shinkansen race to Tokyo (BONUS) (http://www.viddler.com/explore/NAGTROC/videos/8/)
This one is as hillarious as Lost in Translation. Good cinematography too.
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And the crowd..... yawns
lazs
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rice in its purest form with no soul
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rice in its purest form with no soul
meh soul is overrated... kinda like how audiophiles search for warm sound on overpriced audiophile-grade headphones and speakers.
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meh soul is overrated... kinda like how audiophiles search for warm sound on overpriced audiophile-grade headphones and speakers.
And by the time you make enough to afford "audiophile-grade" gear, your tired old ears can't hear the difference anyway. :D
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Well, the top gear video wasted 34 minutes of my life...and I am smiling ;)
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As impressive as it is ugly.
And WOW is it UGLY!
Plus, its only going to appeal to GT racer riceboy wanabees.
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What a joke.
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meh soul is overrated... kinda like how audiophiles search for warm sound on overpriced audiophile-grade headphones and speakers.
I don't understand why you keep posting these? "Overpriced"? That only applies to Bose and they aren't even CLOSE to "audiophile-grade".
Nissan's quality sucks. How's that one grab ya?
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Masherbrum, he obviously has no idea what good audio is or what makes an audiophile an audiophile.
He certainly does not have good taste in cars either. That is truly an ugly car. Wonder what the mentality and/or physcology would be of the person that wants a vehicle like that?
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I don't understand why you keep posting these? "Overpriced"? That only applies to Bose and they aren't even CLOSE to "audiophile-grade".
Nissan's quality sucks. How's that one grab ya?
Yes, Nissan's quality sucks..... compare to Toyota/Honda. But that's mostly the cars/trucks/vans built in NA.
Their sports car lineup, now that's a different story.
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I don't even like Nissan, but I do admire the Z and the GT-R.
When datsun released their original Fairlady Z sports car in the 70s, it destroyed the euro competetion in the US.
The GT-R then (1989) and now (2009) has always been the new yardstick. When it raced and won in many lopsided races in late 80s/early 90s, the GT-R was slowly castrated and then outright banned.
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pfft... still didn't beat the mighty Atom ;) :D
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Yes, Nissan's quality sucks..... compare to Toyota/Honda. But that's mostly the cars/trucks/vans built in NA.
Their sports car lineup, now that's a different story.
Sorry, but I remember the tranny problems with the early 350Z's. Can't agree. However, the Skyline has always been somewhat mythical. 7:29 around the 'ring is just fine. :aok Saw a supercharged Z06 do it in 7:24. Fast company indeed. :D
I don't even like Nissan, but I do admire the Z and the GT-R.
When datsun released their original Fairlady Z sports car in the 70s, it destroyed the euro competetion in the US.
I drove one of the 1st generation Z cars for years. Loved it. Simple and fun. But in '79 Nissan decided to make it their glitzy tacky boulevard-cruiser flagship. IMO they've never completely recovered, though the 3.5 is certainly a step in the right direction.
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Tough crowd.. I like it fine in black when most of the weird lines don't show. It might look funny standing still with the huge bell-shaped skirt of bodywork, but the way it just grips around that circuit at full speed like a ball of tape, it really looks the business.
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Yes, Nissan's quality sucks..... compare to Toyota/Honda. But that's mostly the cars/trucks/vans built in NA.
Their sports car lineup, now that's a different story.
Only brands around the globe that suck worse are Suzuki, Mitsubishi and wait.....nothing else. Nissan's Quailty is sub par at best, even compared to GM, Ford, Chrysler, BMW, VW, etc.
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TVR..
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pfft... still didn't beat the mighty Atom ;) :D
There's no way it can beat a go kart
Not bad for 3,800 lb beast :D
Here are the standings
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Ferrari F430 Scuderia 1:19.7
Porsche Carrera GT 1:19.8
Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 1:19.8
Mercedes SLR McLaren 1:20.9
Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano 1:21.2
Porsche 996 GT3 RS 1:22.3
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Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:22.4
Ferrari F430 Spyder 1:23.2
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There's no way it can beat a go kart
Not bad for 3,800 lb beast :D
Here are the standings
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Ferrari F430 Scuderia 1:19.7
Porsche Carrera GT 1:19.8
Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 1:19.8
Mercedes SLR McLaren 1:20.9
Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano 1:21.2
Porsche 996 GT3 RS 1:22.3
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Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:22.4
Ferrari F430 Spyder 1:23.2
Top Gear already tested the Scuderia? Damn it. I was afraid I was gonna miss that one.
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Dumb question, but those are all Top Gear track times you're quoting right? I don't see the Koenigsegg in the list. And I don't think the Stig has ever taken the Ariel Atom around the track has he?
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Dumb question, but those are all Top Gear track times you're quoting right? I don't see the Koenigsegg in the list. And I don't think the Stig has ever taken the Ariel Atom around the track has he?
A bunch of them are missing, and since the Scuderia is on the list, it means it's more or less current.
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Skewered numbers
NO. Here the one's "conveniently left out".
1 Ascari A10 1.17.3
2 Koenigsegg CCX (with TG spoiler) 1.17.6
3 Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4
4 Maserati MC12 1.18.9
5 Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0
6 Ariel Atom 1.19.5
There.
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I left out the others since furball already mentioned how the GT-R did not beat the Atom.
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The wikipedia page for the top gear laps has a note next to the GTR laptime squibbling about the GT-R they tested being JDM something or other.. So there might be enough in the version that'll make it to the US/UK to take 6th place from the Atom. I think the vspec due in a year or two will get 7/10ths out of this lap and could probably beat the Maserati, too.
The regular model they lapped this weekend sure looked capable, but if Jackson's comment about the track being power-biased is true, the ZR1 ought to be competitive, too.
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Renault F1 car lapped it in 59 seconds... Sea Harrier in 31 seconds :devil
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Nice videos.
I actually like the car, the looks are functional so I like it.
What I like about this one is that unlike the ones that beat it (or those close to it) this one you can actually take the family on a long trip.
Great price performance for a sport sedan.
Added:
The one thing that is troubling is that the engine and trans being unique to each model would make reliable repairs somewhat questionable not to mention the costs involved.
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Apparently the stock tranny only goes to about 600HP. Who knows exactly what that means for mods, considering the stock engine/tranny matching...
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I'd put money on the McLaren F1 smoking the "Ricer" around the Top Gear track.
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lol THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdwfWyKwdPw&fmt=18) may very well be the preview of how the GT-R V-spec would perform and look like...
It's no longer a car... it's a weapon!
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Not a real comparison between a 60k$ 4 seater and a limited run 2 seater worth over 10x more...
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Not a real comparison between a 60k$ 4 seater and a limited run 2 seater worth over 10x more...
Absolutely. The whole point of the Skylines and now the GT-R is that they're fairly practical "mundane" daily drivers that can go insanely fast. And from a quick glance at mg1942's list, other than the 911, it looks like the only 4 seater. If we're gonna make ridiculous comparisons, why not bring along the wife, kids, and a trunk full of beer. Then compare the GT-R to the McLaren, or any other car for that matter.
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The fortuitousness of having so many different manufacturers making so many different cars gets lost in the brand/model richard swinging contests.
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The fortuitousness of having so many different manufacturers making so many different cars gets lost in the brand/model richard swinging contests.
No kidding. I'd kill to own ANY of the cars on that list. Whether it runs on rice, pasta, bratwurst, or Old Milwaukee. :rolleyes:
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here's transcript of the V-spec preview~
Tuning on this car was done to draw out full potential of the stock parts. This car was designed as Amuse's consept of a Spec-V. We went to Amuse's workshop located at Kisarazu to interview the details.
285/35ZRF20 tyres used on the rear of normal GT-Rs were fitted on the front on the Amuse GT-R to counter understeer. To add downforce at the front a large front spoiler was developed. The rear wing was also enlarged and is made of dry carbon to reduce weight. The front seats were replaced with full bucket seats (Recaro SP-A's) and the rear seats, rear speakers were removed. This resulted in a total of 59.3kgs weight loss, but equipments like air-con and audio were left in. The cat back exhausts were replaced with a light weight titanium system, diameter enlarged 10%. The original Bilstein suspension was left in, but changes were added to lower the ride height.
The weather was fine on testing day, and the car went on its 1st lap to check for problems.
[Keiichi Tsuchiya (pro driver and the Drift King) in the car]
Hmm, the car feels quite good...
So, I'll begin the lap to see how fast she can go.
No problems have emerged, so he goes on his attack lap. Amazingly, the car goes under the targeted time of 1 minute on its check lap at Tsukuba.
[Tsuchiya]
The suspension on this car is awesome.
Wow this is a good car.
I want to teach the Nissan guys about this car's suspension, the way the car handles, how the car turns in and how it settles down... if
I worked at Amuse I'd try to sell this setup to Nissan.
The Amuse GT-R is really easy to handle, its so different from the normal GT-R. Its pliant, safe, and fun to drive.
[Tsuchiya]
So should I go for more laps?
[Amuse]
We still have 1 fresh set of tires
[Tsuchiya]
I have to get used to this car,maybe I'd do a few more laps then switch to the fresh set.
To get accustomed to the Amuse, Tsuchiya takes a few more laps.
[Tsuchiya]
The car understeers a bit..
If the tyres were fresh it'd be better.
Now if I could go full throttle here.. and the last corner, if I take a wider line in and try to accelerate out of the corner in a straight line..
not like what we take on a light-weight car.
Tsuchiya improves his time on this lap, and now its time to use the new tyres.
Its P.M. 2:30 and Tsuchiya goes on his final lap of the day.
[Tsuchiya]
Wow, heavy understeer... the car understeers more then on the used tyres....
Unfortunately no improved lap time on the new tyres.
To see how much horsepower the Amuse GT-R is producing it was dynoed. Amazingly, the car was now producing 585.2ps with only a ECU mod and a cat-back exhaust replacement.
To understand why there was so much increase in horsepower, the car was dynoed with its cats removed with the original ECU . Though this tuning was reckless (on some cars this could produce too much boost and blow the engine), a clean increase in horsepower from low rpms to high rpms was seen.
Looking at the turbo boost pressure revealed that without the cats, the boost pressure rose steeply at low rpms but after 3000rpms the boost was lower than with the cats. This means the ECU monitors and corrects the amount of boost pressure used. Amuse claim that the VR38DETT is a tuneable and reliable engine. The modding of the VR38DETT's ECU enables the engine to use different boost pressures at different rpms.
The Amuse GT-R's boost pressure data shows that during low rpms used most likely during cornering boost pressure is lowered to enhance response, while at high rpms the boost is set to about 1kg/cm2
Last, we'll show a uncut vid of the best lap.
[Tsuchiya]
We were able to go under 1min, but we were faster using used tyres. Track conditions, temps, and maybe the tyre block wobbling on the
new set came into affect and produced more understeer than on the used tyres.
Now if I used a few more new sets and got to understand the Dunlops better, the Dunlops do better if you try to enduce light oversteer, no counter-steering, the lap time could become around 59.5 secs. Next time around, I'd like to aim for that (59.5) time.
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Thanks. So that's about 3 seconds faster?
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Regular R35s are in 1 min 02 sec range.
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This stupid car is growing on me. :P Sadly, gime $100K to buy what I want, I'm not sure that I would buy it. You can bitterly debate all day with yady yada not muscle car America the leet, drives like a lala7, the space shuttle is faster, jets are for kids ... it is nevertheless a memorable achievement, especially for a V6. :rock
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For a car that weighs 3800lbs, I just don't understand why they don't develope a larger, normally-aspirated engine. Ferraris that weigh 900 lbs less can get over 500 hp from a 4.3 liter v8, averaging out to just about 120 hp/liter. This is without turbos, with a relatively light, high-revving engine. The tuners that have bothered sticking turbos on the f430 have achieved 700 hp and better with minimally-invasive mods.
Snapping a bunch of performance parts onto a small engine may be easier than engineering the engines to be impressive platforms sans the bells and whistles, but come on--where will it end? This goes for any glorified rice rocket, and for the 911 as well.
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I think that if you supercharge/turbo a small engine, you have pretty good fuel economy driving normally, and yet still have big HP boost when you hammer it. If you go to a much bigger engine normally aspirated, you'll suck a couple of MPG more under normal driving conditions.
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I think that if you supercharge/turbo a small engine, you have pretty good fuel economy driving normally, and yet still have big HP boost when you hammer it. If you go to a much bigger engine normally aspirated, you'll suck a couple of MPG more under normal driving conditions.
Sure, this is understandable... I'm just thinking that as long as you're building a supercar--which the GTR is being tagged as by various people, and which the 911 has long been believed to be--things like fuel economy should be an afterthought. The modern 911 was born out of 1950s German desire for better economy--as you said--but for a car that's pushing $200k for the gt2 model, it seems like that philosophy is getting a bit dated.
I suppose the GTR is designed to be somewhat of a pedestrian supercar, though, if you'll excuse the oxymoron. Big, heavy, 4 seats... Best car for the money sort of thing. I suspect that most people that could afford any car at all would probably opt for something more pure.
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I'm just thinking that as long as you're building a supercar--which the GTR is being tagged as by various people, and which the 911 has long been believed to be--things like fuel economy should be an afterthought.
You'd think so, but that's really not in japanese automotive habits.. Both in cars and bikes, there's always a trend toward user-friendliness, compared to others. If you look back on what the previous Skylines were, this one's right in line in terms of form and function. I just wish they'd kept the engine an inline 6.
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For a car that weighs 3800lbs, I just don't understand why they don't develope a larger, normally-aspirated engine. Ferraris that weigh 900 lbs less can get over 500 hp from a 4.3 liter v8, averaging out to just about 120 hp/liter.
Nissan's traditionaly been turbo.
Leave the N.A. to Honda and Ferrari.
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I just wish they'd kept the engine an inline 6.
Why moot? I'd expect the shorter V6 to be better for CG/rotational inertia reasons.
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Well.. Come on :) It sounded great and was pretty unique. They had plenty of performance potential to spare, IIRC. 1000+HP engines were pretty common. The way the old I6 sounded when it was really cranked out was great. I remember the first time I heard one of them, rough and lumpy idle winding up into that trumpet howl, I instinctively press down on my right foot :lol I don't know if a V6 could be so appealing given how much more mundane it is.. I can't recall a V6 sounding as good. Then again there's probably a good reason for it, the M3 also went to a V from an inline 6.
But you're right, last year when I was almost ready to start buying books to learn how to make a homebuilt from scratch, I think I'd X'd out the old skyline mill because of how heavy it was.
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Nissan should have copied Toyota Supra's 2JZ engine and design a lag-less twin turbo around it :D
It's got variable valve timing and much more durable than Skyline's RB26DETT.
Now I wonder if future modded R35s can be as responsive as Mine's BNR-34 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42KwIMakoaE&fmt=18)...