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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ddoug on July 22, 2008, 08:35:04 PM
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I am finally making good on my 'threats' to leave and killed my account. For sure I'll miss a lot of people here, even some of the ones I just plain hate (but amuse or challenge me). I just have better things to do than play cartoon warrior for hours on end, no offense to anyone.
I thought I posted about it last night but who knows, skuzzy may have deleted the post (in his defense he usually locks my posts, lol). Or I posted in Mattel's Barbie arena. Again.
The bottom line is I found other things to do than sit on a farking computer and fly cartoon planes for hours on end. I'm not going to bash people for that because if it's your thing, well, good for you. I did it for three years (I think) and found I was missing out on the real world. And I got wicked behind in house chores :)
Seriously, though, this is a really mediocre game made GREAT only by the players/squads. I've had many a fun evening hooking up my squad with others and having a ball. Or my squad (the LCA). Heck, I know more about the LCA members than people who work across the cube wall from me, and that's a good thing (Tunes, better listen for rumbling bikes outside your door).
On a 'preachy' note, I invite anyone to step back and not play it for a week. Or two. Seriously, try it.
<S> to all, especially my buds in the LCA. Thanks to all for a great 'gosh darned' time, I had a lot of fun.
Anti-<S> to Hitech and company. AH2 is *only* made great by the players, your paying customers. The game isn't that good, even with online play, but the organization of the squads makes it really great. You guys should be kissing your customer's butts, not ticking them off with your shenanigans. Shame on you for that, the only reason you're in business is because nobody else does a game like this....although I recall something about M$ starting to do a game like this. If a company like MS really gets in the arena you're simply screwed. But, I had fun here, so best of luck to y'all as well.
ps: Karaya: HR75 VCNJ OOIJ OEEE ZR53 BNFK AGSD 1TE2 N9KY F279 9HP6 VWWL VHJE A0QG CVWQ lmao rofl!!!!
ps x 2: Always remember ALT-F4 gets you unlimited fuel and ammo.
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If a company like MS really gets in the arena you're simply screwed. But, I had fun here, so best of luck to y'all as well.
This genre is not profitable enough to interest a large developer. It's really only financially feasible for a "small shop" like HTC or Kesmai of the past (pre-1994). This is even more true for HTC than Kesmai because Kesmai sold box sets of Airwarrior to help cover development costs and had more subscribers. HTC provides its front-end free, charging only a subscription fee. Also, Kesmai was bought by a large corporation, Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., which subsequentally found it unprofitable so sold it to Electronic Arts who discovered the same and decided to kill it entirely.
The fact of the matter is it's a niche market, the majority of the loyal customers of the genre are enthusiasts of the WWII era and air combat. Those that truly love the genre will continue to support it by patronizing the only company that cares to develop it at all. I strongly suspect the only reason HTC continues to develop AH is a similar love of the WWII era and air combat. I'm guessing folks with their individual talents could likely make more money designing software for a large developer.
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Seriously, though, this is a really mediocre game made GREAT only by the players/squads.
Gee, every time I've burnt out I was thinking quite the opposite :D
Have fun in the real world, see you in a few months.
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Shame on you for that, the only reason you're in business is because nobody else does a game like this....although I recall something about M$ starting to do a game like this. If a company like MS really gets in the arena you're simply screwed. But, I had fun here, so best of luck to y'all as well.
Actually, MS did a game like this. It sucked. Their players came here. It's no longer around.
Have a nice life. :aok
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This genre is not profitable enough to interest a large developer. It's really only financially feasible for a "small shop" like HTC or Kesmai of the past (pre-1994). This is even more true for HTC than Kesmai because Kesmai sold box sets of Airwarrior to help cover development costs and had more subscribers. HTC provides its front-end free, charging only a subscription fee. Also, Kesmai was bought by a large corporation, Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., which subsequentally found it unprofitable so sold it to Electronic Arts who discovered the same and decided to killed it entirely.
The fact of the matter is it's a niche market, the majority of the loyal customers of the genre are enthusiasts of the WWII era and air combat. Those that truly love the genre will continue to support it by patronizing the only company that cares to develop it at all. I strongly suspect the only reason HTC continues to develop AH is a similar love of the WWII era and air combat. I'm guessing folks with their talent could likely make more money designing software for a large developer.
dang if that isn't a great assessment. great post.
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I think it's a great game made better by the community, of which Dale, Roy and the rest of HTC are a part.
By ddoug, ddon't let the ddoor hit you on your dderriere on the way out. :aok
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Also, Kesmai was bought by a large corporation, Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., which subsequentally found it unprofitable so sold it to Electronic Arts who discovered the same and decided to kill it entirely.
Zazen...
Rupert's bunch did everything but nail the coffin shut. Unfortunately, both companies didn't know enough about online gaming to make it work and consistently refused to listen to their employees that did know. Frankly, if Kesmai had done it right, this game would probably be Air Warrior 6. :D
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It's only your second "I'm out of this mediocre game, bye!" post in 3 months. Try harder. ;)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,233661.msg2843274.html#msg2843274
See ya next time :D
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Zazen...
Rupert's bunch did everything but nail the coffin shut. Unfortunately, both companies didn't know enough about online gaming to make it work and consistently refused to listen to their employees that did know. Frankly, if Kesmai had done it right, this game would probably be Air Warrior 6. :D
I'm not arguing with you there. That's why I said Kesmai pre-1994, before News Corp took over, was making it work...I was pretty deeply involved on a variety of levels during that period and beyond, it was frustrating as hell for everyone involved behind the scenes. It became obvious by 1998-1999 that corporate had decided that Airwarrior was not going to continue being developed in earnest. The goal was to keep their game face on for appearance sake until it could be sold off and Kesmai developers knew it. This whole sad saga proves the point that "small shop" developers like HTC with a keen interest in the subject matter are best for the job. Once development is relegated to corporate bean counters with no insight into the genre and its constituent enthusiasts all is lost...
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It's only your second "I'm out of this mediocre game, bye!" post in 3 months. Try harder. ;)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,233661.msg2843274.html#msg2843274
See ya next time :D
ddoug, sometimes a good rant on the boards can really help get a load off your chest... you make it an artform.
ultra melontery? I really like that one. :lol :aok
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It's only your second "I'm out of this mediocre game, bye!" post in 3 months. Try harder. ;)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,233661.msg2843274.html#msg2843274
See ya next time :D
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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It's only your second "I'm out of this mediocre game, bye!" post in 3 months. Try harder. ;)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,233661.msg2843274.html#msg2843274
See ya next time :D
Pwned!
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SQUEAK!
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Ahh well ddoug, what can I tell ya bud.
I was introduced to the game by a rather unfortunate set of circumstances that made me quite immobile for some months. I was young, not married yet and my long time partner and I decided it wasn't working out :) (yes I know many of you are crying by now.. buuuhuhuhu what a saaaadd stowwwyyy) Thus I was left with a lot of time on my hands after work.
Now I am on a 2.5 month break and I am looking forward to coming back.
This game is a great one, because of the community. If htc managed to build up a loyal fan base, I'd say they are 100% successful. I as well as many others are proof of that.
In my opinion you did not manage your time wisely, and on are still in a place in your life where you feel you are fighting against unsurmountable odds and therefore blame this for your shortcomings. Take some time out, relax and I'm sure many of us will welcome you back ;)
S!
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ddoug:
Good luck with whatever you do. Even though I maintained my subscription, I took an almost 6 month long hiatus just over a year back.
I couldn't wait to get back into the game again, I even built a new computer just to do it.
Maybe you need a change of pace, when you come on back go Bish and hook up with us, we are not very tightly wound MA wise and we concentrate more on the scenarios and FSOs.
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Personaly I have no other ambition other then coming home from work and playing cartoon airplanes.
Work is exhausting enough. What are you going to do after? More work?
No thanks. And I dont cut the grass on Titanic Tuesday!
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yeah whatever ddoug.
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Cya!
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I am finally making good on my 'threats' to leave and killed my account. For sure I'll miss a lot of people here, even some of the ones I just plain hate (but amuse or challenge me). I just have better things to do than play cartoon warrior for hours on end, no offense to anyone.
I thought I posted about it last night but who knows, skuzzy may have deleted the post (in his defense he usually locks my posts, lol). Or I posted in Mattel's Barbie arena. Again.
The bottom line is I found other things to do than sit on a farking computer and fly cartoon planes for hours on end. I'm not going to bash people for that because if it's your thing, well, good for you. I did it for three years (I think) and found I was missing out on the real world. And I got wicked behind in house chores :)
Seriously, though, this is a really mediocre game made GREAT only by the players/squads. I've had many a fun evening hooking up my squad with others and having a ball. Or my squad (the LCA). Heck, I know more about the LCA members than people who work across the cube wall from me, and that's a good thing (Tunes, better listen for rumbling bikes outside your door).
yep
stare at a monitor and have nothing to show for it. I feel the same way, play for years, get fed up with players running away from you, quit for a month maybe two then come back and after a week it is the same ol thing.
You should go find something else to do that you have something to show for at the end of the day , and not some make believe score.
My advice ddoug, go check out the offline missions section of this forum, some of those missions in there are really good and whenever you get the urge to play just upload a mission, heck the A.I. on those missions fight 100 times better than the real players, for they don't runaway. :aok
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You could (*snicker*) go try TargetWare
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I almost said that with a straight face.
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Buh BYE :cry :huh
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Good he's gone. I do not think he ever got it!
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She got to another one...damn....ever since ken put on his greens she's had it in for any form of military institution. She's not for real DDoug you may feel it is but it's not....many have succumb to her treachery before and found themselves pwnd by her. Barbie will vulch, pick, ram, hoe,and run harder and with more vengance anybody here would even fathom doing to another AH'er. Just remember DDoug we will be here to support you when this happens....this is your family now.
Does anybody else visualize the guy from A Fish Called Wanda when you say ddoug
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Also, Kesmai was bought by a large corporation, Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., which subsequentally found it unprofitable so sold it to Electronic Arts who discovered the same and decided to kill it entirely.
Whether or not AW was profitable or not was not going to stop EA from axing AW. EA did not buy Kesmai for AW but rather for the networking code (forgot the name, think it was Aegis or something like that) that was used for all of Kesmai's online games. Remember, this was the time that EA started EA.com and made major investments and development to a whole library of online games which in the end ultimately failed. A little known fact, AW at the time it was shut down had EA's second largest paying subscriber base, at around 38,000 subscriptions.
ack-ack
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All a matter of perspective with regard to suckiness, NoBaddy. Fighter Ace might be considered a niche within a niche since any comparison with Aces High needs to stop at WWII-era and combat. It's a terrific training ground for 'wobblers'. There are some very good pilots in that game that would have no trouble at all with the learning curve of AH. FA's still around (https://fighterace.ketsujin.com) and has a community very similar to this one.
There are a large number of ex-FA pilots here because AH represents 'the next level' of skill, knowledge, and execution in this niche.
Zazen's post is spot on.
Even with its limitations, there is a place for a Fighter Ace franchise. HiTech and Pyro are leaders in every sense of the word. We're a tough crowd and they are standing tough and guiding the evolution of the game in a sober way, IMHO.
Largely, what this game is or does is based on what we make of it and what we do with it.
Best wishes to DDoug.
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Anti-<S> to Hitech and company. AH2 is *only* made great by the players, your paying customers. The game isn't that good, even with online play, but the organization of the squads makes it really great. You guys should be kissing your customer's butts, not ticking them off with your shenanigans. Shame on you for that, the only reason you're in business is because nobody else does a game like this....although I recall something about M$ starting to do a game like this. If a company like MS really gets in the arena you're simply screwed. But, I had fun here, so best of luck to y'all as well.
I would venture a guess you have not meet anyone who works for HTC. I have found each and everyone of them friendly, helpful, courteous, and respectful. Are they perfect? Nope. Would I do some things differently? Probably. But if they were not polite and considerate with you, consider looking in the mirror.
A lot of us are here because of squads we have become involved with. A lot of us are also here because of the support and staff who work at HTC. Can you name any other online gaming company where you can call and someone picks up the phone? Practically unheard of in this day and age.
The bottom line is I found other things to do than sit on a farking computer and fly cartoon planes for hours on end. I'm not going to bash people for that because if it's your thing, well, good for you. I did it for three years (I think) and found I was missing out on the real world. And I got wicked behind in house chores
Sounds like you need to manage your own personal time. An addiction? I know of several who have suffered from the same problem. Some seriously need help. I personally spend a lot more time doing e-mails, postings, calling, and just chatting with friends/squadies than I do just flying. It is a hobby of mine and many of the friends I have made will be life long with or without Aces High. I hope you have found the same to be true.
On a ‘prechy’ note:
Don’t think that you are on higher ground now that you have stepped away.
Don’t think that we all need to ‘step away’ for a week, or even two.
Don’t think we all struggle with the same issues you do.
Many of us have played for years and still keep our real lives in order. Should you choose to play something online in the future I hope you can come to enjoy it in a way that would be healthy for you.
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All a matter of perspective with regard to suckiness, NoBaddy. Fighter Ace might be considered a niche within a niche since any comparison with Aces High needs to stop at WWII-era and combat. It's a terrific training ground for 'wobblers'. There are some very good pilots in that game that would have no trouble at all with the learning curve of AH. FA's still around (https://fighterace.ketsujin.com) and has a community very similar to this one.
I stand corrected! At least about it being gone. I believe MS did dump it. I assume that Ketsujin is the developer. I only saw it a few times as folks booted it up at conventions for a peak. I never did find anyone with a lot positive to say about it....accept that it was pretty.
BTW, suckage is ALWAYS relative to the situation. :devil
Largely, what this game is or does is based on what we make of it and what we do with it.
Nothing in your post is more true than the above statement. :)
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AW at the time it was shut down had EA's second largest paying subscriber base, at around 38,000 subscriptions.
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That's just craziness, I knew it was alot, but never would have thought it was that many at that time...Especially considering the fact that alot of Airwarriors had begun to come here disenchanted with the whole Kesmai fiasco.
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Whether or not AW was profitable or not was not going to stop EA from axing AW. EA did not buy Kesmai for AW but rather for the networking code (forgot the name, think it was Aegis or something like that) that was used for all of Kesmai's online games. Remember, this was the time that EA started EA.com and made major investments and development to a whole library of online games which in the end ultimately failed. A little known fact, AW at the time it was shut down had EA's second largest paying subscriber base, at around 38,000 subscriptions.
The fact that AW was as profitable as it was allowed EA to use it as a cash cow for development of Gamestorm and all of the games they put up there. In the end, this just added to the neglect the game suffered from under News Corp.
Zaz...yah, I was a contract employee from '95 until about 6 months prior to EA shutting the doors.
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Well said Daddog :aok
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Gee, every time I've burnt out I was thinking quite the opposite :D
Have fun in the real world, see you in a few months.
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Now he'll have to change his name when he comes back :lol
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In the end, this just added to the neglect the game suffered from under News Corp.
Yup, I remember after AW3 was released proposals to update some of the more ancient imbedded code and implement new design concepts was shot down by management. They had no intention of investing in updating it at that time and knew already that there was not going to be any subsequent major releases...In a lucky bit of serendipity I believe that was about the same time HiTech and Pyro began work on AH beta... Had AH not been there to pick up the pieces the entire community and possibly the genre may have disintegrated into historical obscurity...
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Zaz...
Where you around for the "first" viewing of AWII? That was a hoot and a half. :)
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Zaz...
Where you around for the "first" viewing of AWII? That was a hoot and a half. :)
You talking about the open beta pilot arena? Yea, I hated AWII, it felt like a step backward in alot of ways to me. I wasn't the only one, AW3 came out only a year or so later...I remember in AWII twin engine planes suddenly became uber. I remember Marcy and +mir tearing arse in 38's, 110's and A26's.
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Sour rascal aint he.
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The first "viewing" of AW2 was at the '95 AW con in Houston. That's when War Birds was in beta. HT, Killer and Gunjam showed up at the con wearing fake glasses with the nose and mustache...a major hoot (though the Kesmoids were less than impressed). What they showed us was a simple port of AW1 to windows. There was sooooo much screaming, the delayed release while the actually wrote a new windows based game (about a year I think). The first AW2 became. I can still remember Jonathan's stunned expression at the initial reception it received. Of course, he listened and the game was better for it.
The next year was the "real" year of the 10,000 dweebs....AOHell and Compuserve. :)
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The first "viewing" of AW2 was at the '95 AW con in Houston. That's when War Birds was in beta. HT, Killer and Gunjam showed up at the con wearing fake glasses with the nose and mustache...a major hoot (though the Kesmoids were less than impressed). What they showed us was a simple port of AW1 to windows. There was sooooo much screaming, the delayed release while the actually wrote a new windows based game (about a year I think). The first AW2 became. I can still remember Jonathan's stunned expression at the initial reception it received. Of course, he listened and the game was better for it.
The next year was the "real" year of the 10,000 dweebs....AOHell and Compuserve. :)
Hey! I was one of those 10K dweebs!
BTW if you look at the FA world, you'll find our old buddy KenJr heavily in the mix :)
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Hey! I was one of those 10K dweebs!
BTW if you look at the FA world, you'll find our old buddy KenJr heavily in the mix :)
Is he offering rides in his dad's B-17?
ack-ack
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and here i am freakin cause i cant find the time to play hardly at all, im in the DA when i get a chance to play at all Truly cant commit to a long flight/fight. i keep thinking "next month ill have time" after i get back from the mouse, then the tour,,,,arg,,arg,,arg
bla bla bla.
<S> all
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You talking about the open beta pilot arena? Yea, I hated AWII, it felt like a step backward in alot of ways to me. I wasn't the only one, AW3 came out only a year or so later...I remember in AWII twin engine planes suddenly became uber. I remember Marcy and +mir tearing arse in 38's, 110's and A26's.
I remember Mir.Soup and I had a good fight with him and his wingman one time.I cant recall what his wingmans name was though.It was 10 years ago after all <G>.Ill have to ask Soup if he recalls the fight im talkin about.Funny how some things stick in my head while the important stuff is lost ehhehehe
Pipz
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You talking about the open beta pilot arena? Yea, I hated AWII, it felt like a step backward in alot of ways to me. I wasn't the only one, AW3 came out only a year or so later...I remember in AWII twin engine planes suddenly became uber. I remember Marcy and +mir tearing arse in 38's, 110's and A26's.
Every bird in AW2 was amazing. It was too easy, and I guess in that respects a step backwards.
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Hey! I was one of those 10K dweebs!
BTW if you look at the FA world, you'll find our old buddy KenJr heavily in the mix :)
Dan....
I never said all dweebs were bad......:D
...and yes, I noticed him when I checked out the site. It's nice to know they have someone with his "experience" heavily involved. (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/fc/horse.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org)
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ddoug just has a bad gene in him he can go play super mario brothers/
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ddoug just has a bad gene in him he can go play super mario brothers/
Could you go as well? :pray
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tell you what there was an A grade squeaker on rooks yesterday called denzil he is 13 and his caps lock is broken.
HOW DO I FLY!
HOW DO I GO STRAIGHT.
Be afraid, very afraid.
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tell you what there was an A grade squeaker on rooks yesterday called denzil he is 13 and his caps lock is broken.
HOW DO I FLY!
HOW DO I GO STRAIGHT.
Be afraid, very afraid.
Worse yet, he did that literally for hours, without ever really listenening to any advice
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Yea he was bad.