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Title: question....
Post by: SkyRock on July 24, 2008, 01:48:35 PM
can a spit16 dive from 19k starting at 400mph and straight down to 7k at 520mph and pull out in 10 seconds?
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Post by: 2bighorn on July 24, 2008, 02:13:18 PM
can a spit16 dive from 19k starting at 400mph and straight down to 7k at 520mph and pull out in 10 seconds?

Yes. All spits can dive well in AH, and they all pull out easily.
Title: Re: question....
Post by: SkyRock on July 24, 2008, 02:18:19 PM
12k straight down?
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Post by: 2bighorn on July 24, 2008, 02:21:18 PM
Yeah, if you cut throttle and brake with rudder.
Title: Re: question....
Post by: NOT on July 24, 2008, 02:25:19 PM
yes. i did a test a while back after a spit9 caught my tempest at 500+. climbed to 15k, nosed over hit 525ish, pulled out with no problem.




NOT
edit.....i found the pic.
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc91/not2187/spitdive.jpg)
Title: Re: question....
Post by: 2bighorn on July 24, 2008, 02:47:42 PM
yes. i did a test a while back after a spit9 caught my tempest at 500+. climbed to 15k, nosed over hit 525ish, pulled out with no problem.


NOT
edit.....i found the pic.
(http://[url=http://www.imagecoast.com/][img]http://www.imagecoast.com/images/NOT/spitdive2.jpg)[/url][/img]

Here, fixed it for you:

(http://www.imagecoast.com/images/NOT/spitdive2.jpg)
Title: Re: question....
Post by: avionix on July 24, 2008, 02:51:08 PM
HEY!!!!!!   Someone has the same screensaver as me.  Guess I have to change.   :D
Title: Re: question....
Post by: NOT on July 24, 2008, 02:51:36 PM
ty, i was just moving it to photobucket lol. tried 5 times to get it to show, o well, thanx again.




NOT
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Post by: Dragon on July 24, 2008, 02:55:35 PM
Isn't the real question: Who was that spixteen dweeb who ripped me apart after dropping 12,000 ft w/o augering?
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Post by: uptown on July 24, 2008, 04:10:02 PM
I reckon so
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Post by: waystin2 on July 24, 2008, 05:31:37 PM
Isn't the real question: Who was that spixteen dweeb who ripped me apart after dropping 12,000 ft w/o augering?

LOL :rofl
Title: Re: question....
Post by: Latrobe on July 24, 2008, 06:22:33 PM
Anyone else notice the temperature is different in both screenshots, yet its the same screenshot??  :huh


I've never heard of a Spitfire of any kind being able to dive 12K without ripping the wings off, or being torn into tiny pieces.
Title: Re: question....
Post by: BillyD on July 24, 2008, 06:38:34 PM
Mary*  "Did you pull out in time...?!"

Billy*  "I DON""T KNOW!"

Mary and Billy   "*uh oh....."


lol sorry :aok
Title: Re: question....
Post by: 2bighorn on July 24, 2008, 07:00:47 PM
I've never heard of a Spitfire of any kind being able to dive 12K without ripping the wings off, or being torn into tiny pieces.

>>>>
Beginning in late 1943, high-speed diving trials were undertaken at Farnborough to investigate the handling characteristics of aircraft travelling at speeds near the sound barrier (i.e. the onset of compressibility effects). Because it had the highest limiting Mach number of any aircraft at that time, a Spitfire XI was chosen to take part in these trials. Due to the high altitudes necessary for these dives, a fully feathering Rotol propeller was fitted to prevent overspeeding. It was during these trials that EN409, flown by Squadron Leader J. R. Tobin, reached 606 mph (975 km/h, Mach 0.891) in a 45 degree dive. In April 1944 the same aircraft suffered engine failure in another dive while being flown by Squadron Leader A. F. Martindale, when the propeller and reduction gear broke off. Martindale successfully glided the Spitfire 20 miles (32 km) back to the airfield and landed safely.

That any operational aircraft off the production line, cannons sprouting from its wings and warts and all, could readily be controlled at this speed when the early jet aircraft such as Meteors, Vampires, P-80s, etc could not, was certainly extraordinary.― Jeffrey Quill



On 5 February 1952, a Spitfire 19 of No. 81 Squadron RAF based in Hong Kong reached probably the highest altitude ever achieved by a Spitfire. The pilot, Flight Lieutenant Ted Powles, was on a routine flight to survey outside air temperature and report on other meteorological conditions at various altitudes in preparation for a proposed new air service through the area. He climbed to 50,000 feet (15,240 m) indicated altitude, with a true altitude of 51,550 feet (15,712 m). The cabin pressure fell below a safe level, and in trying to reduce altitude, he entered an uncontrollable dive which shook the aircraft violently. He eventually regained control somewhere below 3,000 feet (900 m) and landed safely with no discernible damage to his aircraft. Evaluation of the recorded flight data suggested that, in the dive, he achieved a speed of 690 mph (1,110 km/h, Mach 0.94), which would have been the highest speed ever reached by a propeller-driven aircraft.

The critical Mach number of the Spitfire's original elliptical wing was higher than the subsequently-used laminar-flow-section, straight-tapering planform wing of the follow-on Supermarine Spiteful, Seafang and Attacker, illustrating that Reginald Mitchell's thoughtful and practical engineering approach to the problems of high speed flight had paid off handsomely. <<<<
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Post by: NOT on July 24, 2008, 07:37:24 PM
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Anyone else notice the temperature is different in both screenshots, yet its the same screenshot??  Excuse me?!?!
actually if you look close enough, they are different screen shots. i thought i was fixing the one bighorn fixed, but it was the other one i had.



NOT
Title: Re: question....
Post by: Bear76 on July 24, 2008, 07:41:10 PM
>>>>
Beginning in late 1943, high-speed diving trials were undertaken at Farnborough to investigate the handling characteristics of aircraft travelling at speeds near the sound barrier (i.e. the onset of compressibility effects). Because it had the highest limiting Mach number of any aircraft at that time, a Spitfire XI was chosen to take part in these trials. Due to the high altitudes necessary for these dives, a fully feathering Rotol propeller was fitted to prevent overspeeding. It was during these trials that EN409, flown by Squadron Leader J. R. Tobin, reached 606 mph (975 km/h, Mach 0.891) in a 45 degree dive. In April 1944 the same aircraft suffered engine failure in another dive while being flown by Squadron Leader A. F. Martindale, when the propeller and reduction gear broke off. Martindale successfully glided the Spitfire 20 miles (32 km) back to the airfield and landed safely.

That any operational aircraft off the production line, cannons sprouting from its wings and warts and all, could readily be controlled at this speed when the early jet aircraft such as Meteors, Vampires, P-80s, etc could not, was certainly extraordinary.― Jeffrey Quill


On 5 February 1952, a Spitfire 19 of No. 81 Squadron RAF based in Hong Kong reached probably the highest altitude ever achieved by a Spitfire. The pilot, Flight Lieutenant Ted Powles, was on a routine flight to survey outside air temperature and report on other meteorological conditions at various altitudes in preparation for a proposed new air service through the area. He climbed to 50,000 feet (15,240 m) indicated altitude, with a true altitude of 51,550 feet (15,712 m). The cabin pressure fell below a safe level, and in trying to reduce altitude, he entered an uncontrollable dive which shook the aircraft violently. He eventually regained control somewhere below 3,000 feet (900 m) and landed safely with no discernible damage to his aircraft. Evaluation of the recorded flight data suggested that, in the dive, he achieved a speed of 690 mph (1,110 km/h, Mach 0.94), which would have been the highest speed ever reached by a propeller-driven aircraft.

The critical Mach number of the Spitfire's original elliptical wing was higher than the subsequently-used laminar-flow-section, straight-tapering planform wing of the follow-on Supermarine Spiteful, Seafang and Attacker, illustrating that Reginald Mitchell's thoughtful and practical engineering approach to the problems of high speed flight had paid off handsomely. <<<<
I wonder if they recorded the size of the deposit left in his seat afterwards? :lol
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Post by: avionix on July 25, 2008, 05:45:00 AM
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I wonder if they recorded the size of the deposit left in his seat afterwards?

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: question....
Post by: MajIssue on July 25, 2008, 01:57:26 PM
Anyone else notice the temperature is different in both screenshots, yet its the same screenshot??  :huh


I've never heard of a Spitfire of any kind being able to dive 12K without ripping the wings off, or being torn into tiny pieces.

Try this sometime Latrobe... Climb to 20K in a Spixteen, cut your throttle, go into a steep dive, apply full right aileron and full left rudder (called a slip)... then go get a beer from the fridge... It will take some time to get down to the deck!
Title: Re: question....
Post by: NOT on July 25, 2008, 03:23:54 PM
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I've never heard of a Spitfire of any kind being able to dive 12K without ripping the wings off, or being torn into tiny pieces.

you obviously dont know as much about the spit as you think you do.




NOT