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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on July 25, 2008, 04:24:30 AM
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Oops, I ment Boeing...
(http://images.chron.com/photos/2008/07/25/12174135/311xInlineGallery.jpg)
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/5906913.html (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/5906913.html)
Capt. John Francis Bartels looks at the right wing damaged fuselage of Qantas Airways Boeing 747-400 after it made an emergency landing Friday July 25, 2008 in Manila, Philippines. The plane en route to Australia from London made an emergency stop in Manila on Friday and airport authorities discovered a big hole in the Boeing 747-400's fuselage near the right wing.
The passengers will be given hotel accommodation while the aircraft is being repaired. :huh
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Qantas has an outstanding safety record but amazing that this one made it back and didn't suffer more damage. Credit to the crew and Boeing.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/twometre-gash-in-qantas-scare/2008/07/25/1216492714182.html
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<S>...-Gixer
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With the delay of the new Airbus & Boeing's dream liner most of the Qantas fleet is getting worn out. They have had a number of issues of late due to over extending air craft service time.
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This is aircraft is 17 years old, had just come out of maintenance at Avalon in April after seat reconfiguration they discovered serious level of corrosion delayed the aircraft going back into service for some weeks.
Also of note the hole is under the R2 Galley.
<S>...-Gixer
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Sure looks like a bomb exploded dont it?
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No, blast damage would be different.
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Heh:
This comes just as Qantas announces big job cut-backs.
Tell ya what, they're already badly exposed to Emirates on the trans-Tasman routes. If Emirates ever does a Sydney-Bangkok-London route, there's a-gonna be trouble.
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Qantas has an outstanding safety record but amazing that this one made it back and didn't suffer more damage. Credit to the crew and Boeing.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/twometre-gash-in-qantas-scare/2008/07/25/1216492714182.html
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/davest/Qantasgash1_wideweb__470x3120.jpg)
<S>...-Gixer
it was a bare wire arcing, causing the fum......ooo dam..wait...wrong one :noid
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Its just a little tear in the aluminum fabric of the time-space continuum.
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I think the blast damage assessment should be made by the folks who are actually there to look at the situation and have the expertise to make an educated evaluation. Let those who know what the are doing conduct the investigation and make the conclusion.
I'm just really happy no one was killed or injured.
:salute to the flight crew.
On the lighter side looking at the title of the thread..... I would find it hard to believe the jet could plunge 20k feet in any point other than mid flight. I would say it should be difficult to do so pre or post flight. :P
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Second thread about it. RPM beat ya by 6 minutes or so. :P
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,242135.0.html
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What I find interesting is that unless they bulk loaded bin 2, that can the baggage is in lost it's skin which suggests a blow out from within the can.
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He was HOed!!!!!! :furious
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What I find interesting is that unless they bulk loaded bin 2, that can the baggage is in lost it's skin which suggests a blow out from within the can.
Looks more like cargo pallet.
large picture here: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/article2559146.ece?service=bildeviser&nr=0&felt=brodtekst
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wait my luggage is where?
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No, blast damage would be different.
What would be different? I aint accessing or concluding anything, and dont know squat about bombs. But is it normal for chunks of an airplane to fall off like that?
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What would be different? I aint accessing or concluding anything, and dont know squat about bombs. But is it normal for chunks of an airplane to fall off like that?
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no. ;)
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Sure looks like a bomb exploded dont it?
Rapid decompression, even the luggage containers have been ripped apart going by the free baggage sticking out the hole. Also on the QA 744 their are oxygen tanks under the R2 door. As well as the galley above.
<S>...-Gixer
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That wasn't caused by a bomb, but metal fatigue due to corrosion. The only casualty, a flight attendant, was blown out of the plane. Extensive corrosion was also found from this B747 during a maintenance.
Wikipedia has an alternative theory to the big hole of the Aloha's 737:
Pressure vessel engineer Matt Austin has proposed an alternate theory to explain the disintegration of the fuselage of Flight 243.[4][5] This explanation postulates that initially the fuselage failed as intended and opened a 10" square vent. As the cabin air escaped at over 700mph, flight attendant C.B. Lansing became wedged in the vent instead of being immediately thrown clear of the aircraft. The blockage would have immediately created a pressure spike in the escaping air, a fluid hammer, which tore the jet apart. The NTSB recognizes this theory, but the board does not share the conclusion and maintain their original finding that the fuselage failed at multiple points at once. Former NTSB investigator Brian Richardson, who led the NTSB study of Flight 243, believes the fluid hammer explanation deserves further study.
Perhaps the 737 would've only suffered a hole similar to the 747 if the flight attentand wouldn't have plugged the hole during a rapid decompression.
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(http://www.volpe.dot.gov/infosrc/journal/30th/images/safe_aloha.jpg)
That wasn't caused by a bomb, but metal fatigue due to corrosion. The only casualty, a flight attendant, was blown out of the plane. Extensive corrosion was also found from this B747 during a maintenance.
Wikipedia has an alternative theory to the big hole of the Aloha's 737:
Perhaps the 737 would've only suffered a hole similar to the 747 if the flight attentand wouldn't have plugged the hole during a rapid decompression.
Wikipedia's idea is plain stupid. I know several people who were on that flight, ive heard first-hand accounts from every side of this. One of the passengers could actually SEE a gash in the side of the plane before take-off, but decided not to tell anyone. The plane was going to RIP apart, not just crack.
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The passenger didn't see a gash, that is an exaggeration. What the passenger boarding at the front door saw was a small crack. This was just a visible artefact of a much larger group of minute cracks that combined to cause catastrophic failure of the skin of the aircraft.
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The passenger didn't see a gash, that is an exaggeration. What the passenger boarding at the front door saw was a small crack. This was just a visible artefact of a much larger group of minute cracks that combined to cause catastrophic failure of the skin of the aircraft.
According to her quote, (I don't recall her name, but if any of you are REALLY obsessed with this story I can go down to the library and dig up the old news articles on it) she saw a "gash". Perhaps she meant simply a deep crack? I dont know, Im just saying what she said.
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The bit that cracks me up is that there is this whole big fuss about 'oxygen masks not working'....
If an oxygen tank explodes and rips a hole in the plane.... WHAT THE F-CK DO YOU EXPECT!?. Jeeessuuuuss. People are absolutely retarded.
:lol :aok :huh :lol :rofl
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Xasthur you would not be laughing if you were on the plane taking the 20,000 FT plunge.
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I'm quite sure I wouldn't be but that's hardly the point is it?
My point was with the media's complaints. It's like a flight encountering engine trouble and having to shut down an engine.... then the passengers complain that the aircraft wasn't operating at full thrust.
:furious Morons in the media.....
Of course the bloody oxygen supply didn't work properly.... The oxygen system blew up! Faarrkkkkkin' hell.
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I'm quite sure I wouldn't be but that's hardly the point is it?
My point was with the media's complaints. It's like a flight encountering engine trouble and having to shut down an engine.... then the passengers complain that the aircraft wasn't operating at full thrust.
:furious Morons in the media.....
Of course the bloody oxygen supply didn't work properly.... The oxygen system blew up! Faarrkkkkkin' hell.
From what I understand, the "system" didn't blow up but rather an oxygen bottle exploded. There is a primary and back up in this situation. That said, there is an interesting thread on Airliners.net about the situation:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4082804/