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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hornet33 on July 25, 2008, 08:58:52 AM
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What a Fabulous place San Fransisco is. How can these folks out there in the land of fruits and nuts just NOT get it????? I surely hope that Mr. Kennedy gets his wish and the political leaders that promote this idiotic policy of a "sancutary city" are brought up on charges for blatantly violating federal law. How can anyone rationalize a policy that protects ILLEGAL persons, while putting their own legal citizens, the people that voted them into office, at risk?
And these folks are supposedly educated?
Killings turn focus on San Francisco sanctuary law
SAN FRANCISCO - The scene repeats itself daily on city streets: a driver gets stuck bumper to bumper, blocking an intersection and preventing another car from turning left.
But authorities say that was enough to cause Edwin Ramos to unload an AK-47 assault weapon on a man and his two sons, killing them.
The deaths immediately drew public outrage, which intensified when authorities revealed that Ramos, 21, is an illegal immigrant who managed to avoid deportation despite previous brushes with the law.
The case has put San Francisco's liberal politics to the test, setting off a debate over its sanctuary law that shields undocumented immigrants from deportation.
On Wednesday, Ramos pleaded not guilty to three counts of murder in the deaths of Anthony Bologna, 49, and his sons, Michael, 20, and Matthew, 16. Bologna and his older son died in the intersection on June 22. His younger son succumbed to his injuries days later.
Shortly after that, police arrested Ramos, a native of El Salvador and reputed member of the Mara Salvatrucha gang, known as MS-13. Investigators believe he was the gunman, though two other men were seen in the car with him.
The heinousness of the deaths has put pressure on San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris to seek the death penalty against Ramos. Harris, who campaigned on an anti-death penalty platform and has never pursued capital punishment during her more than four years in office, has declined to say exactly how she intends to proceed.
"This case has been charged as a special circumstance case," making it eligible for the death penalty, spokeswoman Erica Derryck said. "No additional announcement has been made about this aspect of the charging."
Ramos' attorney, Robert Amparan, said his client was not the shooter. "They have the wrong person," he said.
Amparan declined to discuss details of the case, but he denied his client was involved in gang activity and said Ramos entered the country legally. Federal authorities contend Ramos is undocumented.
The victims' family learned that Ramos had been arrested at least three times before the shooting and evaded deportation, largely because of San Francisco's sanctuary status.
The policy, adopted in 1989 by the city's elected Board of Supervisors, bars local officials from cooperating with federal authorities in their efforts to deport illegal immigrants.
Officials in the juvenile offenders agency interpreted the law to also shield underage felons from deportation by refusing to report undocumented ones. Mayor Gavin Newsom said he rescinded the policy regarding juvenile offenders after learning about it in May.
The Bolognas' relatives say Ramos apparently benefited from the policy when he reportedly was convicted twice of felonies in 2003 and 2004 but never was turned over for deportation.
"All San Francisco's sanctuary ordinance has done is bring violence and death to this once-great city," said Frank Kennedy, who is married to Anthony Bologna's sister.
Kennedy called for an investigation of the sanctuary policy and demanded "prosecutions for violating the law."
Meanwhile, local and federal authorities are pointing fingers at each other over Ramos' most recent arrest before the shooting.
Ramos was arrested in late March with another man after police discovered a gun used in a double homicide in the car Ramos was driving.
The district attorney's office decided not to file charges against Ramos, and he was released April 2 even though he was in the process of being deported after his application for legal residence was denied, according to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
San Francisco Sheriff's Department spokesman Eileen Hirst said jail officials faxed ICE on March 30 asking if Ramos should remain jailed. Ramos was freed after Hirst said immigration officials didn't respond.
ICE spokesman Timothy Counts said his agency did not receive word of Ramos' arrest in March. He said the only communication received about Ramos was an "electronic message" from the sheriff's department three hours after his release.
The case has garnered national attention, leading U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., and an anti-immigration group called Californians for Population Stabilization to ask the U.S. Department of Justice to take over, alleging San Francisco authorities have mishandled it.
"Because San Francisco's political leaders have already demonstrated their willingness to act in flagrant violation of federal law, I do not believe that local judicial institutions can be trusted to fairly try the case or mete out an appropriate punishment," Tancredo said in a letter sent Tuesday to U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey.
Justice Department spokesman Charles Miller said he was unaware of the case and the congressman's request. Miller said the attorney general routinely responds privately to such requests.
Diana Hull, president of Californians for Population Stabilization, called on about a dozen cities nationwide with similar sanctuary policies to end those programs.
"We need to remember always that a death-dealing policy like `sanctuary' hides behind the false mantle of compassion," Hull said.
Nathan Ballard, a spokesman for San Francisco's mayor, said city officials were wrong to shield undocumented, juvenile felons from federal immigration authorities.
"The sanctuary program was never intended to shield felons," Ballard said. "The policy was inappropriate."
However, Newsom "still supports the worthwhile aims of denying the federal government" assistance in deporting otherwise law-abiding undocumented residents, he said.
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It's simple - they will ban, again, any black evil looking rifles. :huh
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It's simple - they will ban, again, any black evil looking rifles. :huh
IMO, these guys should be treated like citizens with the law. This guy should get the electric chair for what he's done.
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That is why all my rifles have wooden stocks and are extremely elegant looking works of art or history...well those that I keep in public display. The others that no one sees but me and my dad are sinister, nasty looking things that I have to keep in a solitary, high security location. This is because they will on occasion jump out and begin shooting random people by without a human to pull the trigger. Those weapons are called assault rifles for a reason and they need to be punished occasionally. After all it doesn't take a person to kill someone else only a weapon thinking autonomously is capable of doing the deed. Especially criminals from other countries; those poor bastages are just here to earn enough money to become US citizens and be a benefit to the nation and not a hindrance.
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IMO, these guys should be treated like citizens with the law. This guy should get the electric chair for what he's done.
I believe that if you are not a citizen of this or any other nation and commit a crime first you will take whatever punishment is handed out according to the law of the nation. Then and only then will you be allowed to leave that nation and return home.
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I think the city of San Francisco needs a wake up call. A 10 billion dollar judgement against the city might be the ticket.
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I believe that if you are not a citizen of this or any other nation and commit a crime first you will take whatever punishment is handed out according to the law of the nation. Then and only then will you be allowed to leave that nation and return home.
So, if he got life, what would happen? IMO, he should just be taken out back, shot and buried in an unmarked grave. I wonder what would happen if someone did this 50 years ago? And they were an Illegal.
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That is why all my rifles have wooden stocks and are extremely elegant looking works of art or history...well those that I keep in public display. The others that no one sees but me and my dad are sinister, nasty looking things that I have to keep in a solitary, high security location. This is because they will on occasion jump out and begin shooting random people by without a human to pull the trigger. Those weapons are called assault rifles for a reason and they need to be punished occasionally. After all it doesn't take a person to kill someone else only a weapon thinking autonomously is capable of doing the deed. Especially criminals from other countries; those poor bastages are just here to earn enough money to become US citizens and be a benefit to the nation and not a hindrance.
You'd better keep them under lock and key, we don't need them to get loose and start a killing spree..... :rofl
We should also ban knives, bats, trees, bow and arrows, cars, rope, chairs, rocks, or anything else that could be turned into a weapon. Maybe we should start cutting peoples hands off at birth so the can't choke anyone..... :lol
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So, if he got life, what would happen? IMO, he should just be taken out back, shot and buried in an unmarked grave. I wonder what would happen if someone did this 50 years ago? And they were an Illegal.
What would happen if he got life? Our tax dollars would feed, cloth, and house him for the rest of his life.... :mad:
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You'd better keep them under lock and key, we don't need them to get loose and start a killing spree..... :rofl
We should also ban knives, bats, trees, bow and arrows, cars, rope, chairs, rocks, or anything else that could be turned into a weapon. Maybe we should start cutting peoples hands off at birth so the can't choke anyone..... :lol
Careful, there could be a politican watching the boards ready to pounce for it to be passed with congress. :noid
What would happen if he got life? Our tax dollars would feed, cloth, and house him for the rest of his life.... :mad:
Read the rest of the quote with what I would do. Violent, yes, but getting the point that they arent above the law, better.
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What would happen if he got life? Our tax dollars would feed, cloth, and house him for the rest of his life.... :mad:
... and some san fran news station would put out a show on how hard it is for the poor, poor, fellow to live under such harsh conditions.
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Those weapons are called assault rifles for a reason and they need to be punished occasionally.
Any rifle and handgun can be used as an assault weapon. All you need is a human being willing and able to commit murder.
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Careful, there could be a politican watching the boards ready to pounce for it to be passed with congress. :noid
Read the rest of the quote with what I would do. Violent, yes, but getting the point that they arent above the law, better.
I agree with your solution..... :aok
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Usually, violence is my last choice for this stuff, but now, it seems necessary.
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I posted this story in this thread:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,241768.0.html
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San fransissee is going to try to give him the death penalty...funny part about it....Kalifornia has
500 and something inmates on death row. Wow, this guy is probably really worried about the
death sentence. Liberal state= no executions...why even have death penalty on the books??
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ALL of the citizens of the US need to arm themselves and force all illegals out from wherever we find them... mass deportations of illegals and anchor babies... they were not satisfied screwing up their own countries, now they wanna invade ours? no thanks!
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San fransissee is going to try to give him the death penalty...funny part about it....Kalifornia has
500 and something inmates on death row. Wow, this guy is probably really worried about the
death sentence. Liberal state= no executions...why even have death penalty on the books??
At some point, people in America will say that this is enough, and will take action. Just when are we gonna get to that poing? Who knows?
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From the article...
However, Newsom "still supports the worthwhile aims of denying the federal government" assistance in deporting otherwise law-abiding undocumented residents, he said.
Anyone else see the oxymoronic element to this statement?
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in days of old when real men walked this land they would just get a rope, after a fair trial of course.
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Should he get the life without parole then you might as well hang his illegal butt publicly. Cheaper and more effective at getting the point across to the rest of the fools committing crimes...legal citizens or not.
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Should he get the life without parole then you might as well hang his illegal butt publicly. Cheaper and more effective at getting the point across to the rest of the fools committing crimes...legal citizens or not.
agreed
Joker
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You'd better keep them under lock and key, we don't need them to get loose and start a killing spree..... :rofl
We should also ban knives, bats, trees, bow and arrows, cars, rope, chairs, rocks, or anything else that could be turned into a weapon. Maybe we should start cutting peoples hands off at birth so the can't choke anyone..... :lol
Don't forget boots.... I once stomped a commie to within an inch of his life with my evil combat boots. And lets not forget clothing... why once, with merely the elastic from me undershorts I....
... ah, hell. What's the point. Once the liberal twits see what kinda damage can be done with a really big dick, a decent sized dong will need a license stapled to it.
Hang
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Well, maybe this murder is the last straw... who knows...
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The important point of this thread is that this particular illegal came in contact with the law some 5 times, and due to San FranTHITHco's practice of preventing city employees from checking on illegal alien's status, this father and his two babies are dead. Burn in Hell Galvin :mad:
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But authorities say that was enough to cause Edwin Ramos to unload an AK-47 assault weapon
Nice. I sure wish I knew what an "AK-47 assault weapon" was (it doesn't exist BTW). I love how the left wing has turned an illegal alien issue into a gun control issue.
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Don't forget boots.... I once stomped a commie to within an inch of his life with my evil combat boots. And lets not forget clothing... why once, with merely the elastic from me undershorts I....
... ah, hell. What's the point. Once the liberal twits see what kinda damage can be done with a really big dick, a decent sized dong will need a license stapled to it.
Hang
LOL do you only come out during election season.....Great to have you back man :aok
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So, if he got life, what would happen? IMO, he should just be taken out back, shot and buried in an unmarked grave.
NO! NO! NO! You are wrong, mister!
After the execution, they should hurl the cadaver over our border with a trebuchet...
...a big trebuchet...
...with the corpse soaked in gasoline...
...and set on fire...
...and wired with explosives...
...to detonate in mid-air...
I like the one in England that can hurl a car body 1/4 of a mile. :)
I'm in a festive mood here.
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Nice. I sure wish I knew what an "AK-47 assault weapon" was (it doesn't exist BTW).
What is the proper nomenclature for the AK-47 then?
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What is the proper nomenclature for the AK-47 then?
AK-47 Assault RIFLE.
BTW, an AK-47 Assault RIFLE was NOT USED in that crime. A semi-automatic rifle was labeled "AK-47 Assault weapon" to make it sound like the victims were gunned down by an evil machine gun (not the case at all). The actual quote was "an AK-47 assault weapon was unloaded..." - giving a fantasy image of a crazed Rambo-type going off in a blaze of machine-gun-glory etc... all lies.
In short a tragedy was hijacked for other political purposes by "The People Who Keep You Safe". Who even remembers the victims' names, or even the perp's names ? It's all about the "AK-47 Assault Weapon".
Let me make it even simpler - a real AK-47 was NOT used in that crime. A CONVENTIONAL LEGAL RIFLE was used. The AK-47 part was MADE UP. They LIED to you.
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It's simple - they will ban, again, any black evil looking rifles. :huh
WHAT?! my 10/22 looks like a black evil rifle. :lol
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WHAT?! my 10/22 looks like a black evil rifle. :lol
It must be an "AK-47 Assault Weapon" then ! BURN WITCH! BURN!!!!!!!!!
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AK-47 Assault RIFLE.
BTW, an AK-47 Assault RIFLE was NOT USED in that crime. A semi-automatic rifle was labeled "AK-47 Assault weapon" to make it sound like the victims were gunned down by an evil machine gun (not the case at all). The actual quote was "an AK-47 assault weapon was unloaded..." - giving a fantasy image of a crazed Rambo-type going off in a blaze of machine-gun-glory etc... all lies.
In short a tragedy was hijacked for other political purposes by "The People Who Keep You Safe". Who even remembers the victims' names, or even the perp's names ? It's all about the "AK-47 Assault Weapon".
Let me make it even simpler - a real AK-47 was NOT used in that crime. A CONVENTIONAL LEGAL RIFLE was used. The AK-47 part was MADE UP. They LIED to you.
In California, if that particular weapon, the one that was used in the crime, had a Mag capacity greater than 10 rounds, and was equipped with a flash hider, then yes, it was illegal.
BTW, where did you get the information that the murder weapon was NOT a real AK-47?
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BTW, where did you get the information that the murder weapon was NOT a real AK-47?
The source. They claimed it was some kind of ethereal "AK-47 Assault Weapon" (something which does not actually exist). Note that they did not call it an "AK-47 Assault Rifle" (or just AK-47), because that would have been libel.
"Assault Weapon" is propaganda term mean to vilify any kind of firearm "that look scary" to firearm ignorant people. The term was invented by the Bill "Velcro Fly" Clinton Administration.
It's akin to saying "Only muscle cars speed", or only "Dark people commit crimes" etc.
Maybe we should call dark people "Assault People" while we're at it.
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I posted this story in this thread:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,241768.0.html
OMG No One Here Reads threads,,,, OR Replies... GO WILD here, I WASN't Brought up
DAYS Ago F%^&*heads
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...if that particular weapon, the one that was used in the crime, had a Mag capacity greater than 10 rounds, and was equipped with a flash hider, then yes, it was illegal.
Just wondering (quite honestly) - do you honestly think the murders would have been avoided by a non-flashed suppressed, 10 round cap rifle ? (two single shots got the dirty job done)
Would those "security features" have allowed the police to "intercept" the perp mid-crime ?
I'm seriously not trying to be patronizing... I'm trying to "get" your point of view...
BTW I just spent this weekend in San Fran... very nice city, albeit, completely overrun and dominated by hustlers and street people - even 60+ miles out of the city (aka Napa Valley) homeless people abounded.
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AK-47 Assault RIFLE.
Thanks for the clarification for now I know a rifle is not a weapon.