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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Boxboy on July 27, 2008, 12:54:01 PM
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Since the introduction of GV's has made such a large impact on game play I would like to see the return of GV vunerability to 20mm and 30mm cannon fire from above (ie planes).
Now some will jump in and claim that its unrealistic and so on and so forth, to them I say well its for game play reasons like alot of other stuff in AH that is not quite real :lol
As it stands now the typical routine is kill ords so the vehicle crowd is immune to air attack and take base, I say those crawly GV's need danger at every turn and us flyers need more targets (since alot of non flyers have come to AH to drive GV's) :t
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Immune to air attack if ord is down? LMAO
I bet this dude strafes the sides of tanks with IL2 and Hurr IID and wonders why it does minimal damage
Theres 4 options when ord is down:
1. Up a GV of your own
2. Up an Il-2, Hurr IID, or B-25H
3. Resupply the ord
4. Come from another field with ord
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Immune to air attack if ord is down? LMAO
I bet this dude strafes the sides of tanks with IL2 and Hurr IID and wonders why it does minimal damage
Theres 4 options when ord is down:
1. Up a GV of your own
2. Up an Il-2, Hurr IID, or B-25H
3. Resupply the ord
4. Come from another field with ord
5. Ignore the gv completely.
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Or go the best way, up a B25 and show those GVs why they can't have your base. Yep i love me B25 :D
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Immune to air attack if ord is down? LMAO
I bet this dude strafes the sides of tanks with IL2 and Hurr IID and wonders why it does minimal damage
Theres 4 options when ord is down:
1. Up a GV of your own
2. Up an Il-2, Hurr IID, or B-25H
3. Resupply the ord
4. Come from another field with ord
LOL I am too old to be called Dude sonny, and I KNOW what the options are I would like mine better now let me gets some crayons for ya and draw you a picture
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Having killed _ALOT_ B25s with my T34 main gun id say that most B25 drivers needs a lesson in approach. :rofl
Best bet is to set the hurr convergance to 400 and practise the top attack. It is way more effective against tanks than the B25.The one exception beeing wirbles and the rare ostwind. I think my record is 11 tanks with one reload in the anti-tank hurricane. I would love to see the Stuka with the anti-tank gun and the HS129.
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Probably should have put this in the "wish list" forum cuz that's all it will ever be :pray
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Probably should have put this in the "wish list" forum cuz that's all it will ever be :pray
or the "once was list", Bear cuz at one time ac could actually take out GV's with cannon fire then the whining commenced about 20mm armour penatration and so on and HT "adjusted" it.
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Im glad it changed. As mentioned above its very easy to take gvs out if you have the ability to fly one of the mentioned planes and point them at the GV while pulling the trigger.
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ok heres the scoop on the killing GVs with AC.
Yak9T 37MM two hits to the turret (T-34s you hit in a diffrent spot) two hits to the engine and its dead
Hurri2D just a few hits in the engine its dead just a couple hits in the turret and its out
IL2 few hits to turret or engine and its dead.
190A8 lots of ammo in the engine and you will kill it
110G2 same as 190A8
so dont sit there and say you need better AC cause you just need to learn the ones we have.
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Having killed _ALOT_ B25s with my T34 main gun id say that most B25 drivers needs a lesson in approach. :rofl
Sad but too true, they just won't listen to me when i tell 'em :aok
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Or just up a tank and kill the enemy tank,or is that too hard boxboy?
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Most of the time when a base is under attack the VH is the first target... since the WW...
Nice try, though.
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Fact is tank missions dont work if planes start to up(even without ords) tanks need air cover to be real effective and this makes for some of the best fights in the game in my opinion
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Since the introduction of GV's has made such a large impact on game play I would like to see the return of GV vunerability to 20mm and 30mm cannon fire from above (ie planes).
Do you know how many planes carry ecleast 1 20mm,giving them all the power to kill tanks would be very unhistorical and just plain stupid. There's alot of tank killers already,b25,il2,hurri2D,yakT are all very effective.
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Or just up a tank and kill the enemy tank,or is that too hard boxboy?
I don't drive tanks much and I detest the ground game, for me it started out as flying game with simulator type qualities, then guys like you came along no talent for learning to fly and the game evolved to what it is today
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I don't drive tanks much and I detest the ground game, for me it started out as flying game with simulator type qualities, then guys like you came along no talent for learning to fly and the game evolved to what it is today
Hmm someone with no talent in killing GVs with the appropriate big gun planes (and thus requesting to make GV's "weaker") is making remarks about other player's lack of skill in planes. Seems odd to me... :devil
Maybe they could learn to fly while you could learn to fly B25, hurrD, Il2? ;)
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Hmm someone with no talent in killing GVs with the appropriate big gun planes (and thus requesting to make GV's "weaker") is making remarks about other player's lack of skill in planes. Seems odd to me... :devil
Maybe they could learn to fly while you could learn to fly B25, hurrD, Il2? ;)
yeah yeah Lusch go play with ur marbles I been playing these things longer than you I KNOW you think you OWN AH but you don't and never will, ur just another one of the BBS mob that knows everything
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yeah yeah Lusch go play with ur marbles I been playing these things longer than you I KNOW you think you OWN AH but you don't and never will, ur just another one of the BBS mob that knows everything
What has the length of playing time to do with this?
Your claim about GVs being "immune" to air attack is absurd. Note that I'm not the only "BBS mobster" saying that. Several players pointed out how to kill GV's with the appropriate planes, even without ords
You post seemed simply to follow the Steve Waldren School of thought: "I can't do it, so please change it!" People argue with facts, you bring "marbles" into it. Quite convincing indeed :P
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I don't drive tanks much and I detest the ground game, for me it started out as flying game with simulator type qualities, then guys like you came along no talent for learning to fly and the game evolved to what it is today
I'm a little curious about the above statement you made.
If you detest the ground game, and all you want to do is fly, then how is the ground game bothering you? Seems to me the only time you would have a problem with a GV is if you are targeting a base or happen to chase someone over a base. Of course if all you want to do is fly, there is no need to target a base, and as everyone one knows its pretty much suicide to chase someone low over any base.
So I guess the what really has me curious is if all you want to do is air combat, the GV's should not even be a factor to you...
Just a thought.
Fred
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Well my friend I have been playing AH since beta, took a break and came back, started out playing RB on the Serria Network, moved to AW during the Genie days, stayed with that till AW came out (originally was going to be called Confirmed Kill).
I took the break when Killer started WWIIOL (what disaster) Oh and my handle through all of that until I came back to AH was BigJim in AW was 4781 or something like that its been a long time.
I have NOT asked for anything that wasn't already IN the game at one time so if you have been around so long I am surprised that you don't remember that, as for upping a buff to kill GV's etc etc I could do that if I were so inclined but like the GV game, buffs run a close second to things I prefer not to do.
I am basically a fiter jock and NOT a tool shedder, not much interested in capture the flag either but it often leads to some good furballs so I will partipate in that.
You are right however in that if I really get to the place where I can't stand it I can always move on to other things (of course if enough of us do that then you mobsters will have to find a new playground)
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boxboy, why don't you fly the planes mentioned above, to kill gv's? The Hurri2d and IL-2 are anything but bombers. If you are a furballer, why do you want to kill them anyway, just ignore them.
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I love the ground game. The IL-2 can outright kill any ground vehicle using guns only, and I typically have a better than 10 to 1 kill ratio in my IL-2 against ground vehicles. If it weren't for the WW, it would be even higher.
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boxboy owns all lusche duhhh
hurri2d is my favorite tank killer, those 40mm hit sprites are very attractive! ;)
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boxboy, why don't you fly the planes mentioned above, to kill gv's? The Hurri2d and IL-2 are anything but bombers. If you are a furballer, why do you want to kill them anyway, just ignore them.
Kinda hard to ignore a wirblewind, or m16, or osti in a low level furball, I actully don't object to not being able to kill a tank with cannon fire, but an OPEN topped vehicle should be vunerable to 20mm, the side of a wirblewind turret were I believe 6mm of non face harden steel, 20mm should punch thru that and kill gunner, so by defacto the vehicle.
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Wirbelwinds, Ostiwinds, and M16's are already insanely easy to kill with cannon fire.
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Wirbelwinds, Ostiwinds, and M16's are already insanely easy to kill with cannon fire.
as a player that's pretty much GVs all the time, i can verify that the above statement is true. and add the M8s, M3s, LTV4's and LVT2's. pretty much anything that aint a 'tank'.
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Wirbelwinds, Ostiwinds, and M16's are already insanely easy to kill with cannon fire.
heheh yep yep insane is the right word alright, I want you show me online one day how great you are at it, 1 v 1 you vs wirblewind without the WW being distracted by anything else.
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I don't drive tanks much and I detest the ground game, for me it started out as flying game with simulator type qualities, then guys like you came along no talent for learning to fly and the game evolved to what it is today
Hmmm you defend your idea by trying to make personal attacks on the ones who object to it. First on me,then when lusche comes up with a good point you go after him lol,I could kill you in a tank and I fly just fine too thx. Looks like your trying to pick a fight with bubi for objecting too. :lol
Oh and and becuase you have flown flight sim's for along time you are automatically right?
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heheh yep yep insane is the right word alright, I want you show me online one day how great you are at it, 1 v 1 you vs wirblewind without the WW being distracted by anything else.
Boxboy, you cannot go head to head with a wirby or osti and expect to escape unscathed. Just like you don't deliberately HO a Bf 110G-2. Take your time, wait for an opening. Knocking out the turret is easy enough with .50s or cannon.
I maintain about a 20/1 kill ratio against wirbies because I attack them on my terms. As to the rest, a 1k bomb will kill any vehicle. Even a well aimed 500 lb bomb will kill a Tiger. I've chased enemy fighters right through a swarm of wirbies and didn't take a single ping. High speed makes tracking impossible, as the turret cannot rotate fast enough. That and the surprise of being so reckless.
My regards,
Widewing
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I am with stodd on this one. Up a gv to kill another. Everything seems even to me. The best players seem to be the ones that do it ALL. Just my 5 cent... tuk151
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Stodd, Lusche, and Kilz :aok
Most tanks can be taken out or disabled with cannons. Wirble's and Osti's can be disabled with just 50 cal if the player isn't looking, I did it to kilz (a top gver :salute ) the other night with a F6f.
If you think they are unkillable you should spend time in them and get killed a large number of times and find out how every one else is killing them. :aok
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Since the introduction of GV's has made such a large impact on game play I would like to see the return of GV vunerability to 20mm and 30mm cannon fire from above (ie planes).
Now some will jump in and claim that its unrealistic and so on and so forth, to them I say well its for game play reasons like alot of other stuff in AH that is not quite real :lol
As it stands now the typical routine is kill ords so the vehicle crowd is immune to air attack and take base, I say those crawly GV's need danger at every turn and us flyers need more targets (since alot of non flyers have come to AH to drive GV's) :t
Bring ord and learn how to bomb like the big boys. :rock
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High speed makes tracking impossible, as the turret cannot rotate fast enough. That and the surprise of being so reckless.
Depends on how close you are to the WW :aok I would love to try this out in the TA or DA with you (me in the WW of course) :aok
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heheh yep yep insane is the right word alright, I want you show me online one day how great you are at it, 1 v 1 you vs wirblewind without the WW being distracted by anything else.
Come in from the sun and you take out their turret before they even see you. If you wanna be extra sneaky then turn off your eng while diving on it. Give it some practise and you will seldom lose against a WW
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Or go the best way, up a B25 and show those GVs why they can't have your base. Yep i love me B25 :D
It is also extremely gratifying to watch some B-25H think he's gonna wack your pee-pee and get a 75MM round in his nose. He just seems to go to pieces. roflol
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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heheh yep yep insane is the right word alright, I want you show me online one day how great you are at it, 1 v 1 you vs wirblewind without the WW being distracted by anything else.
Yet you say your problem with them is this,
Kinda hard to ignore a wirblewind, or m16, or osti in a low level furball, .
So they should have plenty of distractions and thus be an easy kill.
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It is also extremely gratifying to watch some B-25H think he's gonna wack your pee-pee and get a 75MM round in his nose. He just seems to go to pieces. roflol
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
Yea i get that when i have a bunch of people that don't fire back, then someone that does pops up. I had been getting careless cause of the others, but it's still very rare :aok
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I don't drive tanks much and I detest the ground game,
Didn't like the fact that a Wirblewind killed you at 194 last night? Or is it the fact that GV's held off the base take for hours, mostly without air support because you didn't bring your own GVs ? I got blown up or turreted several times. With a smoked turret and waiting for a VH to pop the fly boys would keep strafing me with their .50s hoping to get the kill when somebody else killed me. Now you want some idiot to be able to take out armor with a .50 strafing pass. What were you doing there anyway if you detest the ground game and land grab?
As an aside, I also played AW with my Amiga on GEnie. Still have the Amiga with AW on it.
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Yet you say your problem with them is this,So they should have plenty of distractions and thus be an easy kill.
LOL hardly the same things in the second quote I would be totally without ords and usually ambushed by some GVer who has driven into the grass to get the easy kill cause his ID doesn't show till ur on top of him.
at any rate the unwashed masses have told me I am wrong so I will accept that and move on
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Didn't like the fact that a Wirblewind killed you at 194 last night? Or is it the fact that GV's held off the base take for hours, mostly without air support because you didn't bring your own GVs ? I got blown up or turreted several times. With a smoked turret and waiting for a VH to pop the fly boys would keep strafing me with their .50s hoping to get the kill when somebody else killed me. Now you want some idiot to be able to take out armor with a .50 strafing pass. What were you doing there anyway if you detest the ground game and land grab?
As an aside, I also played AW with my Amiga on GEnie. Still have the Amiga with AW on it.
Man you guys love to make statements that are just nutty, we didn't bring GV's to 194 cause the FIRST THING you guys did was kill ords and take out VH. Secondly I NEVER said let fifty cals take out anything (altho they should be able to kill a WW or osti which both have OPEN tops), I said 20mm so I assume your post is just to pick a fite or kiss up to HiTech not sure which.
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Is there any popcorn in the room?
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Never mind