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Title: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Nefarious on July 27, 2008, 05:23:09 PM
Grab your Mae West, we're heading to the Philippines! Thanks to the new Philippines map created by the Terrain Team! These guys do a lot of hard work so make sure you thank them for there efforts the next time you see one of those guys.

I will try to split the squads by Friday, So update your numbers and info and don't forget to pack your sunscreen!

http://ahevents.org/pacific-theatre/fire-in-the-philippines-leyte-1944.html

(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/philipsplash.jpg)

Five Months after the Japanese Disaster in the Philippine Sea, The Allied forces in the Pacific in were in prime position to strike in numerous locations around the Pacific. The two major targets were Formosa or the Philippines, both were key Axis strongholds. Debate between the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Douglas MacArthur, and Admiral Chester Nimitz finally decided that an Invasion of Formosa was impossible without more troops available and the fact that the Japanese had a considerable if not dangerous amount of air power in the Philippines.

  Finally, two years after being ordered to flee the Islands to Australia, MacArthur would get his triumphant return. At the same time, Japan put into effect Shō-Gō 1, a plan to lure away the American forces covering the Invasion of Leyte, and engage the unprotected invasion force. The Air and Sea Battles to follow the Invasion are now known as the Battle for Leyte Gulf.

  Considered in some aspects as being the largest naval battle ever fought, The Second Battle of the Philippine Sea marked the last sizable naval operation of the war for the Japanese, it also marked the first use of the Kamikaze. In the end, the US was victorious, but did lose several warships including one light carrier, and two escort carriers.

  In this FSO the Allies have landed on Leyte and the Battles of Leyte Gulf are about to commence. The CIC's will have command of the fleets and Air and Naval Engagements are going to be a large portion of the victory conditions for this FSO.

US Navy/Marine Corps

    * F6F-5  (Min 48 Aircraft)
    * FM2    (Min 48 Aircraft)
    * SBD    (Optional)
    * TBM    (Min 24 Aircraft)

    * The F6F-5 may not arm 1000 LB Bombs
    * The TBM may not arm 2000 LB Bombs.

IJAAF:

    * Ki61   (Min 48 Aircraft)
    * Ki67   (Min 24 Aircraft or 8 Formations)
    * Ki84   (Max 24 Aircraft)

IJN:

    * A6M5B  (Min 48 Aircraft)
    * N1K-2J (Max 24 Aircraft)
    * D3A1   (Optional)
    * B65N   (Optional)

AXIS: 55%
ALLIED: 45%

Scoring:

Aircraft:

    * 2 Engine Aircraft                      +  05 Points
    * 1 Engine Aircraft                      +  02 Points
    * Every Landed Pilot before T+120 +  02 Points

Naval Targets:

    * Carrier: 200
    * Cruiser: 100
    * Destroyer: 50

Ground Targets:

    * Small Field: 195
    * Medium Field: 266
    * Large Field: 384
    * Vehicle Base: 149
    * Ammo Factory: 275
    * Fuel Factory: 246
    * Radar Factory: 275
    * AAA Factory: 250
    * Troop Factory: 200
    * City: 372
    * Headquarters: 544
    * Truck: 0.781
    * Train: 1.562

(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/philip44map.jpg)


 

Arena Settings:

    * Terrain – Luzon
    * Icon Range – Short
    * Radar – Off
    * Fighter, Bomber & Vehicle Warning Range – 89,760 - 17 miles
    * Tower Range – 89,760 (for display to match the above setting)
    * Visibility – 17 miles
    * Wind:

           0-2K  NO WIND
           2-10K  W TO E - Speed 12
           10-18K NW TO SE - Speed 15
           18-24K N TO S - Speed 17
           24-30K NE TO SW   - Speed 25
           30K+   E TO W   - Speed 55

   
    * External view for bombers (F3) – On
    * Friendly Collisions – Off
    * Enemy Collisions – On
    * Kill Shooter – Off
    * Fuel – 1.0
    * Ack – 0.3
    * Time – 11:00 AM
    * Formations – On
    * Bombsite calibration – Normal (MA mode)

CICs, Please take the time to contact your squads assigned to your side and ask what their choice of rides would be.

You can contact all the squads on your side here.

http://ahevents.org/fso/email_addresses.html

Please note the updated rules.

http://ahevents.org/fso-related/fso-rules.html

Design by Nefarious
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Saxman on July 27, 2008, 05:41:03 PM
Nefarious,

Just an FYI, side preference is still locked out on the ahevents site.
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Nefarious on July 27, 2008, 05:45:28 PM
That should do it, sorry about that.
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: RATTFINK on July 27, 2008, 06:43:25 PM
The VF-6 Fighter Squadron are ready for action.

FSO Squad info. has been updated.

Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: angelsandair on July 27, 2008, 06:51:41 PM
so, will it be ready by this coming friday?
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Nefarious on July 27, 2008, 07:21:03 PM
This FSO is scheduled to begin August 8th and will continue the 15th and 22nd.
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: 442w30 on July 27, 2008, 07:53:33 PM
Looks good!   That was a more hotly contested point of the war than most think because of the time the battle(s) took place. 

Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: RATTFINK on July 27, 2008, 08:14:08 PM
This FSO is scheduled to begin August 8th and will continue the 15th and 22nd.

cc that.  I will be unavailable for Frame I & II as I will not be in the country.  One of my XO's will take over while I am away.
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Delirium on July 28, 2008, 01:54:19 AM
What about the P38s? The 8th Fighter Group was, as was USAAF bombers, there before the Navy arrived.

They were doing strikes in Sept, more than a month prior to the Leyte Gulf conflict. In addition, they were based in Mindano, well within range of the P38.
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: ELD66 on July 28, 2008, 02:16:50 AM
Looking forward to it Nef.  :aok
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Curlew on July 28, 2008, 03:26:52 AM
Nef- Im am glad you are donig this, and would be honored to participate in the footsteps of my grandpa who was the helmsman of the fletcher class destroyer USS Herrman during the battle for san bernidino straights, which i hope comes into play during a frame because i would love to fight in it. <salute>
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Saxman on July 28, 2008, 07:42:57 AM
What about the P38s? The 8th Fighter Group was, as was USAAF bombers, there before the Navy arrived.

They were doing strikes in Sept, more than a month prior to the Leyte Gulf conflict. In addition, they were based in Mindano, well within range of the P38.

A number of Corsair squadrons also participated.
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Nefarious on July 28, 2008, 08:28:46 AM
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A number of Corsair squadrons also participated.

Not according to any sources I saw on the internet, and this is what Widewing told me when I asked him.

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F4Us saw combat in the Philippines, but were land based at Tacloban. These were Marine F4Us, with fixed wings and no tail hooks. They arrived on 3 December, 1944. In October of 1944, the Navy authorized F4U squadrons to begin carrier qualifications. The first of these units to go aboard a carrier were VMF-124 and VMF-213, who were loaded aboard the Essex at Ulithi on 28 December, 1944. The first combat mission was on 3 January, 1945.

My regards,

Widewing

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What about the P38s? The 8th Fighter Group was, as was USAAF bombers, there before the Navy arrived.

They were doing strikes in Sept, more than a month prior to the Leyte Gulf conflict. In addition, they were based in Mindano, well within range of the P38.

P-38s and USAAF Bombers were striking Leyte before the Navy arrived but do to Map limitations, they will have to be used in another FSO. The Airfields that they used are not on the Luzon Terrain and they might have been based on Mindanao, but not until December (after Midnanao was invaded). I considered using Airspawns to have USAAF aircraft but because of flight distances I decided against it.

Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: daddog on July 28, 2008, 11:29:03 AM
P-38 is my favorite ride, but I think it is wise sometimes to leave out certain AC to help balance the event. Putting in the P-38 and or the F4U would IMHO really add an advantage to the Allied side. The plane set he has is a real good match up.
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: angelsandair on July 28, 2008, 04:37:08 PM
Maybe the F6F (and hopefully FM2) will be updated by then :rock
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Krusty on July 28, 2008, 05:08:53 PM
Not really a critique on the plane list, but isn't the N1k2 supposed to be under the IJAAF category? It was land based, no?
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Saxman on July 28, 2008, 05:19:09 PM
Land-based, but a Naval bird.
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Krusty on July 28, 2008, 05:23:52 PM
Okay, I just assumed IJN meant available on carriers, never mind :)

This one's going to be tough on the allies, and maybe just as tough on the axis. This will be interesting to see the outcome.
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: angelsandair on July 28, 2008, 06:50:07 PM
FM-2s will do their part and OWN! :D (I sure hope my squad isn't picked for Axis after I say this)
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Jester on July 28, 2008, 07:18:15 PM
Not according to any sources I saw on the internet, and this is what Widewing told me when I asked him.

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P-38s and USAAF Bombers were striking Leyte before the Navy arrived but do to Map limitations, they will have to be used in another FSO. The Airfields that they used are not on the Luzon Terrain and they might have been based on Mindanao, but not until December (after Midnanao was invaded). I considered using Airspawns to have USAAF aircraft but because of flight distances I decided against it.

The 49th FG started operating P-38's out of Tacloban Airfield on Leyte in late October 1944. The staged out of Morotai, New Guinea (?) on the 22nd to the new base.

 :salute
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Nefarious on July 28, 2008, 09:48:36 PM
The 49th FG started operating P-38's out of Tacloban Airfield on Leyte in late October 1944. The staged out of Morotai, New Guinea (?) on the 22nd to the new base.

 :salute

Yes, they staged out of Morotai on the 22nd of October for the 700 mile flight to Tacloban but did not depart until the 27th of October. They were lead by CO Lt Col George Walker, V's Fighter Command's Col Bob Morrisey and Majs Gerald Johnson and Dick Bong. They arrived at at Tacloban around Noon on the 27th.

The 27th would be the day after the the Battles of Leyte Gulf ended.

Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Saxman on July 28, 2008, 11:09:10 PM
Hm...

Does the setting of the campaign this mean we'll see this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taffy_3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taffy_3)
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Delirium on July 29, 2008, 01:07:46 AM
Nefarious,

I hope my post didn't come across as an attack towards you, the aircraft set up didn't make sense to me (in regards to history) at the time.

Hope the FSO runs perfectly and everyone has a blast!
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Nefarious on July 29, 2008, 07:18:26 AM
Nefarious,

I hope my post didn't come across as an attack towards you, the aircraft set up didn't make sense to me (in regards to history) at the time.

Hope the FSO runs perfectly and everyone has a blast!

Oh, Never.  :salute Everyone has to realize that FSO doesn't always convey the entire Theater's Plane Set just because the Map might. I know the USAAF played a pivotal role in the Invasion and support of the ground forces on Leyte but I will leave that FSO for GD, Stoney or the FSO teams newest suc.. member, Squire :). This FSO we're going to be focusing on the Air/Sea Engagements between the USN and the IJN and IJAAF during the Battle of Leyte Gulf.

And Yes, Saxman, the Battle off Samar will be one of the "Objectives" this FSO.
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Krusty on July 29, 2008, 11:03:48 AM
I like the setup, but after some thought I can't help but think that the axis have the upper hand with the planeset, what with Ki84s and N1k2s vs F6Fs and FM2s. Sure the A6M5s counter that out a bit, but seems the allies are a bit out-classed, maybe?
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: APDrone on July 29, 2008, 11:22:44 AM
We'll find out in about 10 days.

'course.. if everybody flying Nikis and KI84s have my skills, a handfull of P40Bs would take them out.

Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Krusty on July 29, 2008, 11:34:15 AM
You haven't seen my track record for the past... oh say MILLION FSOs... hehehe

if I'm axis I think allies have nothing to fear.
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Saxman on July 29, 2008, 12:00:27 PM
Krusty I disagree. The Ki-84s and N1K2s aren't going to be present in anywhere near the numbers to make a real impact (max 24 each). The FM-2 is arguably the toughest fighter in the matchup, and if the Ki-84 and N1K try to fight her close-quarters they're in for some real trouble. Her only shortcomings are in speed and firepower, but effective use of altitude and dive speed will negate the former, and the FM-2's ability to latch on to almost any opponent and not be shaken off all but ensures a good solid tracking shot against any matchup other than the A6M.

The Ki-84 is more competitive against the F6F, but really needs to get the F6F slow as the Hellcat handles far better at high speeds. Additionally, The Cat should handle the N1K on even ground as the George's only real clear-cut advantage is her guns. She has pretty much all the same advantages over the N1K2 that the F4U would: She's faster, tougher and handles better at high speeds. The F6F is heavier so has the advantage in the zoom, and superior diving ability.
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Krusty on July 29, 2008, 01:56:01 PM
Just going by the stats, the N1k2 is faster than the F6F below 10k, accelerates a hair faster, turns noticably tighter (more so with full flaps) and climbs significantly faster than the F6F. At speed F6F has an edge for sure, but the N1K2 is one of the few Japanese planes that doesn't fall apart at high speeds in this game, so if anybody can give the F6F a chase it'll be this plane.

I think in this setup the allies are going to be more effective with the F6F than with the FM2. FM2 might be manuverable, but it's also slow, underpowered, and under-armed. Being 50mph slower than the other planes means it can't get away, it can't chase, can't zoom as well, etc. I think the F6F will be the real killer for the allies (just thinking of past FSOs with Hellcat, it's quite effective)
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: 4XTCH on July 29, 2008, 02:42:19 PM
I like the match-up in this FSO.
Again, it's not about plane vs plane it's pilot in plane vs pilot in plane..
 The Army of Muppets along with their skills in an "inferior" plane will match up against a newer squad in a "dominant" fighter.
JMHO

4XTCH
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: Curlew on July 29, 2008, 06:25:51 PM
And Yes, Saxman, the Battle off Samar will be one of the "Objectives" this FSO.

Hurray, send my grandpa's destroyeer at those cruisers!!!!! cause that yammoto to dissengage again!!! :salute
Title: Re: Fire in the Philippines: Leyte 1944
Post by: shreck on July 29, 2008, 08:06:13 PM
Did somebody say HAYATE ? :uhoh