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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on July 28, 2008, 09:30:12 AM
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One of the pure joys of living in New Jersey is we get the privilege of having to pay some of the highest property taxes in the nation.
I have a 3 Bedroom Ranch. 1 full bath,1 half bath, Kitchen, Dining room. Living room and a small family room and 1 car attached garage, With no basement. A 12X20 Storage Shed (or outerbuilding as the township refers to it) on a property size of 120 X135'
And get nailed for $5,816.00 in property taxed this year.
And given our lovely Democrat majority state government seems to think that every time they screw up the state finances. every resident is an unending well they can simply draw from.
Pretty soon this state will have only two types of resident.
The very rich.
And the very poor.
So. how bad do you get nailed?
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What exit do you live on? :D
Well, for your NJ property taxes, you get a nice freeway system and no traffic congestion, right? :confused:
We're paying about $4800/year for 4 bdrm/3 bath 2600 sq. ft on 1 acre. 11 years ago it was $2700 when we built is.
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One of the pure joys of living in New Jersey is we get the privilege of having to pay some of the highest property taxes in the nation.
I have a 3 Bedroom Ranch. 1 full bath,1 half bath, Kitchen, Dining room. Living room and a small family room and 1 car attached garage, With no basement. A 12X20 Storage Shed (or outerbuilding as the township refers to it) on a property size of 120 X135'
And get nailed for $5,816.00 in property taxed this year.
And given our lovely Democrat majority state government seems to think that every time they screw up the state finances. every resident is an unending well they can simply draw from.
Pretty soon this state will have only two types of resident.
The very rich.
And the very poor.
So. how bad do you get nailed?
you got it cheap dude.
lindenwold. 2 bedroom, 1 bath, attic converted into another bedroom, basement unfinished. property 120 by 140, and a 2 car garage added about 18 years ago.
$5300 a year. in totally tubular lindenwold. a town that's becomming like a little camden
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One of the pure joys of living in New Jersey is we get the privilege of having to pay some of the highest property taxes in the nation.
I have a 3 Bedroom Ranch. 1 full bath,1 half bath, Kitchen, Dining room. Living room and a small family room and 1 car attached garage, With no basement. A 12X20 Storage Shed (or outerbuilding as the township refers to it) on a property size of 120 X135'
And get nailed for $5,816.00 in property taxed this year.
And given our lovely Democrat majority state government seems to think that every time they screw up the state finances. every resident is an unending well they can simply draw from.
Pretty soon this state will have only two types of resident.
The very rich.
And the very poor.
So. how bad do you get nailed?
DREDIOCK, Our houses are very similar minus the 1/2 bath and out building. Plus I have a basement. Our taxes here are about $4,300 a year.
My problem is school taxes. With not having any children I feel I shouldn't have to pay school tax or it should be discounted. When I went to school I attended private schools that my parents paid tuition for. I feel they shouldn't have to pay school tax either.
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Some school districts are worse than others. Unfortunately my Father built a house in Coatesville that got raped on the property tax prices mid build.
It went from a standard 5k for a big house on a nice lot, to 9k in a year.
Apparently the school superintendent somehow legally finegled out 13 million dollars of the schools money. As he quit, he had the school (out of the blue) sign a non-lawsuit contract with him. It was only then that they learned of the lost money.
The place was so messed up that they asked my Father to serve on the school board, even though we lived no where near it.
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Some school districts are worse than others. Unfortunately my Father built a house in Coatesville that got raped on the property tax prices mid build.
It went from a standard 5k for a big house on a nice lot, to 9k in a year.
Apparently the school superintendent somehow legally finegled out 13 million dollars of the schools money. As he quit, he had the school (out of the blue) sign a non-lawsuit contract with him. It was only then that they learned of the lost money.
The place was so messed up that they asked my Father to serve on the school board, even though we lived no where near it.
It shouldn't be a lawsuit issue, it's a criminal issue. They should arrest him and seize all of his assets.
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It shouldn't be a lawsuit issue, it's a criminal issue. They should arrest him and seize all of his assets.
You can't mess up the ol' boys club! My Mom is the director of transportation for a med/small school corp. She has to spend all plus some to keep her budget...so Government in general requires overspending to keep it going.
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You can't mess up the ol' boys club! My Mom is the director of transportation for a med/small school corp. She has to spend all plus some to keep her budget...so Government in general requires overspending to keep it going.
No offense, but that is one of the greatest evils of bureaucracy. People in mid-level positions' taking more time to simply preserve their position, rather than actually doing anything towards' the public good, such as cutting spending.
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The school system in this town is one thing I have no complaints about.
It was THE deciding factor in us moving here.
I could have had a considerably larger house in North Brunswick 1 town over for around the same price. (but on much smaller property)
Problem was. With the rebuilding of New Brunswick. Alot the dirt was moving there. And the school system, as well as the town itself I could see was going to go into decline.
And judging from some of my nephews I was right.
Thing that kills me is when I visit my sister who lives about 20 min outside of Richmond VA
They and their neighbors have brand new houses (mine is 50 years old), twice the size. on larger lots and pay 1/4 the property taxes.
Now you southern folk know why your being re invaded by the north.
Oh and We aren't really invading you. We're escaping. Running away..Defecting as it were. LOL
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You can't mess up the ol' boys club! My Mom is the director of transportation for a med/small school corp. She has to spend all plus some to keep her budget...so Government in general requires overspending to keep it going.
thats pretty much the jest of it.
My mother used to have a state job.
And one of her largest complaints was the way they handle money.
If you have a section that is efficient and does more with less and DOESNT use up their entire budget Plus some.
the next year instead of being rewarded for a job well done.
They get their budget cut to the point where they dont have enough.
So they HAVE to spend all the money in the budget and then some just to insure they get enough to cover rising prices on anything the next year
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One of the pure joys of living in New Jersey is we get the privilege of having to pay some of the highest property taxes in the nation.
I have a 3 Bedroom Ranch. 1 full bath,1 half bath, Kitchen, Dining room. Living room and a small family room and 1 car attached garage, With no basement. A 12X20 Storage Shed (or outerbuilding as the township refers to it) on a property size of 120 X135'
And get nailed for $5,816.00 in property taxed this year.
And given our lovely Democrat majority state government seems to think that every time they screw up the state finances. every resident is an unending well they can simply draw from.
Pretty soon this state will have only two types of resident.
The very rich.
And the very poor.
So. how bad do you get nailed?
My property taxes here in Indianapolis are $500 a month. That is a for an 870 square foot home with a 1 1/2 detached garage on a 54 x 200 lot. Heck your taxes are higher than my total house payment by a good margin. That is just shear greed on the local government's part.
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House I'm looking to buy:
$11,000/year, but no state income tax. Insurance (including windstorm, mold and flood) another $5K/year. South Florida is interesting to say the least.
3 BR, 2B, kitchen and "grand" room. 2100 sq ft. 1 car garage.
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You guys are getting off easy, compared to some folks I know.
I know folks that moved from 24k property tax. Their home was nice, but it wasn't 1mil. or anything.
I know others in 3 bedroom single floor 1 bath houses that pay around 10-12k.
Remember you never own anything, you just rent it from the government.
End homestead tax now!
Refund renters their rent inflated portion of tax! (some states do this)
Easy damn solutions, doubt you'll hear anyone politically oriented mention it much. "You have to pay for schools after all, and there's no other way we can tax people." (hope my sarcasm is shining through)
How bad is the full tax burden of a family of 4 living in a moderately priced hose, making a decent living anyway? 50%? I mean don't forget sales, car registration, income, to name the obvious ones, let alone property.
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Now you southern folk know why your being re invaded by the north.
Oh and We aren't really invading you. We're escaping. Running away..Defecting as it were. LOL
yall yanks are still carpetbaggers.
problem is yall bring yer ideas that ruint yer country in the 1st place, down here and messing it all up.
back when I was in school it was 32 kids per teacher/class.
we disrupt class. we got our bottoms turned into grass, 3 times. once at school, once at home from mom, then again when the old man got home from work.
now it is 14-15 kids per teacher/class and they are graduating dumber than a bag full of hammers.
good thing is, people are getting riled over all them yankee ideas of taxes for schools.
the last 2 bonds for schools votes got shot down but hard.
the head guy left crying, then it came to light he was a lying so and so.
all it was doing is giving fat raises to overpaid teachers, admins, etc.
now they need to start firing some of the staff. roughly 600 are employed by the school system.
the budget is off the charts per pupil. only 7,600 students tops per school year in the county.
mostly in the upper 6000s in the past ten years.
little over $68 million per school year is too much.
total population in the county is a bit over 40,000.
most of the kids move away after graduating. ain't nothing here to stay for.
the average pay is around $23,000 a year and a lot of businesses are closing down or moving overseas.
bahh ain't editing any more, this topic is a flaming hot button, if there is one.
back on topic, the property tax increased over 700% in the past 10 years.
don't forget to count the property value increases. when they say the value went up, your taxes go up.
to me it is worth exactly what I paid for it, noooo they says. land worth $3,000 per acre is now around $28,000 - $75,000 per acre, they say.
flipping houses flippers and crooked real estate agents. I'll be more than happy to see the bubble bust all over the country.
a word to the wise,
I got this from my old man (Father, Pops, Dad). this is what he told me
"the house "you" live in ain't an investment. it is a roof over your head, stupid."
thought about it for awhile, yep he is right.
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HUD housing and Social Security Disability. No property tax, but I'm seriously afraid of our shower. The wall is literally nothing but a waterproof panel with caulking around it, except that it warped and popped the caulking. Now we could probably sell the black mold that falls out of it to the terrorists for bioweaponry. Since every apartment is a carbon-copy, it's the same all around the complex.
Anyway, slightly more on topic (though probably still nowhere near), Erika's dad's reason for not voting through our school levy (tiny property tax increase, as our land values are so retardedly high that we only need a tiny increase) was that the school's don't provide enough classes for his extremely math-oriented daughter. This last year, we didn't have any tissues for the last month and a half because we couldn't afford them. We got to use "festive colored" paper because we ran out of white. One teacher retired at the end of the year, three either quit or were let go because we can't afford them.
Yeah, makes sense.
Anyway, rant off. Sorry about that. :D
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I don't pay any property taxes. :D
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Last year, even with all my ag and homestead exemptions, I paid over $2000 in property tax for a 3/2 1800+sqft home, 150 acres of ag land and mineral rights. The valuation went up 30% last year. This year the valuation went up 60%. They are saying the increase is due to the Barnett Shale, altho they have yet to prove there is any Barnett Shale under my property or it's productivity if it is there. They just assume it's there and it's a big producer. Yeah, you can fight it, but unless you have several degrees from Texas A&M and a team of economists working for you... your screwed. Did I mention the Cheif Appraiser is the one to make the dispute resolution?
Last year I appealed my appraisal because it was over 2 times what I made from mineral production. I was sent a stack of reports and I had to produce counter evidence to each report to be considered as rebuttal. Checks stubs were not considered valid evidence. Guess who won?
A simple rollback election could reduce the tax rate if it was raised. They can't raise the tax rate so instead they just raise the property appraisal. Mind you this does'nt mean your actual property value went up, just the appraisal. Some areas of our county had valuations go up over 1000%. Guess I got out cheap.
http://www.wcmessenger.com/data/news/EkEZplAEEpMGEfkPUf.php (http://www.wcmessenger.com/data/news/EkEZplAEEpMGEfkPUf.php)
Another number that jumps out is New Fairview's industrial/utility values. The city showed a 1,064.87 percent increase over last year
Mav, your paying property taxes. It's just in the form of fuel tax. The tax man commeth, regardless.
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No property taxes and nobody in my house drives. :noid
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Last year, even with all my ag and homestead exemptions, I paid over $2000 in property tax for a 3/2 1800+sqft home, 150 acres of ag land and mineral rights. The valuation went up 30% last year. This year the valuation went up 60%. They are saying the increase is due to the Barnett Shale, altho they have yet to prove there is any Barnett Shale under my property or it's productivity if it is there. They just assume it's there and it's a big producer. Yeah, you can fight it, but unless you have several degrees from Texas A&M and a team of economists working for you... your screwed. Did I mention the Cheif Appraiser is the one to make the dispute resolution?
Last year I appealed my appraisal because it was over 2 times what I made from mineral production. I was sent a stack of reports and I had to produce counter evidence to each report to be considered as rebuttal. Checks stubs were not considered valid evidence. Guess who won?
A simple rollback election could reduce the tax rate if it was raised. They can't raise the tax rate so instead they just raise the property appraisal. Mind you this does'nt mean your actual property value went up, just the appraisal. Some areas of our county had valuations go up over 1000%. Guess I got out cheap.
http://www.wcmessenger.com/data/news/EkEZplAEEpMGEfkPUf.php (http://www.wcmessenger.com/data/news/EkEZplAEEpMGEfkPUf.php)
Mav, your paying property taxes. It's just in the form of fuel tax. The tax man commeth, regardless.
They are most likely trying to prep you to sell, RPM...You'll be happy to get out from under the tax burden, and you'll like the price you get...
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around $5000 for a 3000 sq ft. 4 bedroom, 3.5 bath, living room, family room and huge bonus room. 2 car garage. We bought it for $325k 12 years ago. Today it's worth a million or so.
It's prop 13 that saves us. Those buggers in Sacramento would tax the snot out of us. Prop 13 limits the yearly increases, so the folks can't forced out of their own houses for not being able to pay the prop tax. Of course once they are forced to sell, the state and feds come for all the money they've made with income tax.
Prop 13 fixes that.
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I pay a few burgers worth of property tax. Next year it goes away completly. Our city has decided to skip it. :)
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The house I live in is on a lot 150'x94', 3 bedroom, 1 bath, full basement and 2 car garage 494.00 a year. I own the house next door also and it's on a 1/2 lot, 2 bedroom,1/2 bath, no basement or garage..runs me 64.00 a year. :D
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DREDIOCK, Our houses are very similar minus the 1/2 bath and out building. Plus I have a basement. Our taxes here are about $4,300 a year.
My problem is school taxes. With not having any children I feel I shouldn't have to pay school tax or it should be discounted. When I went to school I attended private schools that my parents paid tuition for. I feel they shouldn't have to pay school tax either.
So the only people who should pay school taxes are those who actually have kids in public school? How can a “public school” be public if it only charges those families who actually have kids in public school? If only middle class and wealthy families can afford private schools, how can we expect everyone else, including the majority of poor and young families to afford essentially the same thing? (I know, screw them for being poor and having kids; let them figure it out the hard way. Fifteen years later you’re wondering why some mugger punk killed a family member and you find yourself installing bars on your windows, etc.)
Children/offspring are a fact of life for all species; without them we (or any living thing) would have died out long ago. We all have been interdependent on each other as far back as we can tell. Even if you choose, or can’t, have children, it is not reasonable to claim that future generations are not your responsibility or problem. It’s kind of like a library, road, park, sewer, fire station or the FDA; just because you (or many others) don’t think that you will ever use any particular thing does not mean that they are not integral to what has made our society great, safe, functional and a desirable place to live. Should we have separate societies for those who appreciate and pay for for the collective society and those who want all of their resources going to themselves? Think about what the latter would really look like.
It’s like going to an all you can eat Chinese buffet and then asking for a partial refund because you didn’t eat any of the pork fried rice.
P.S.
I am an underpaid Catholic school teacher. I send my daughters to my school. I pay over 5% of my annual income in property taxes. I vote for all local school levies. My city public school system is fantastic; I am glad that the other kids in my neighborhood and city also get a great education. I’m very disappointed that voters turned down the last school levy and now bussing, afterschool sports and several educational positions are being cut.
I also know that continuing a good school system makes my town a desirable place to live which helps keep out the undesirables.
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1400 sqft four bedroom bath and a half with two outbuldings on two an a half acres = $1600 a year. It's still too much.
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1400 sqft four bedroom bath and a half with two outbuldings on two an a half acres = $1600 a year. It's still too much.
ya know...i'm gonna snap a picture of my house next time i get home in the daylight....then ya can see what we get to pay $5300 a year for here in the PRNJ
i'd LOVE to be only paying 1600 for my property. 100 year old house. not a classic 100 years old....a USED BEAT to death 100 years old. looks like it was put together by a bunch of drunken monekys. the hallway is 1 foot narrower in the back than it is in the front of the house.
anyone in the south jersey area knows what ya get in lindenwold. the speedline brings in plenty of quality people from camden. the police love to set up speed traps on chews landing road, and the white horse pike.
i can't figure out and don't know where to look to find out where my property tax moneyu goes...or why it's sooo potato peelin high.......
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Here in Mi outbuildings don't count against you unless they have a permanant foundation and are larger than 300 sqft. Both mine are treated lumber sitting on the ground and just under 300 sqft. If I had an attached garage my taxes would be doubled. Imagine if I carpeted it...
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thats pretty much the jest of it.
My mother used to have a state job.
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the next year instead of being rewarded for a job well done.
They get their budget cut to the point where they dont have enough.
So they HAVE to spend all the money in the budget and then some just to insure they get enough to cover rising prices on anything the next year
I did 10+ years as a Federal Civil Servant in the very beginning of my career... I can confirm that what you say is true - every dept will always blow their entire budget for fear of losing it the following year.
"Hey guys, we're all getting new laptops"
"We're taking a retreat to a ski resort"
"New furniture - sweet!"
etc.
Government is all about blowing your budgets, empire building and justifying your existence... I left in disgust for the private sector because of it.
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Uptown,
Just curious, where do you live?
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3 bedroom 2 bath single garage 1580 square feet of living space on 1 acre. $848 a year in east central Alabama. Oh my house is 2 years old and we paid $132,500 for it.
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q37/acfireguy26/Hope/IMG_4786.jpg)
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So the only people who should pay school taxes are those who actually have kids in public school? How can a “public school” be public if it only charges those families who actually have kids in public school? If only middle class and wealthy families can afford private schools, how can we expect everyone else, including the majority of poor and young families to afford essentially the same thing? (I know, screw them for being poor and having kids; let them figure it out the hard way. Fifteen years later you’re wondering why some mugger punk killed a family member and you find yourself installing bars on your windows, etc.)
Children/offspring are a fact of life for all species; without them we (or any living thing) would have died out long ago. We all have been interdependent on each other as far back as we can tell. Even if you choose, or can’t, have children, it is not reasonable to claim that future generations are not your responsibility or problem. It’s kind of like a library, road, park, sewer, fire station or the FDA; just because you (or many others) don’t think that you will ever use any particular thing does not mean that they are not integral to what has made our society great, safe, functional and a desirable place to live. Should we have separate societies for those who appreciate and pay for for the collective society and those who want all of their resources going to themselves? Think about what the latter would really look like.
It’s like going to an all you can eat Chinese buffet and then asking for a partial refund because you didn’t eat any of the pork fried rice.
P.S.
I am an underpaid Catholic school teacher. I send my daughters to my school. I pay over 5% of my annual income in property taxes. I vote for all local school levies. My city public school system is fantastic; I am glad that the other kids in my neighborhood and city also get a great education. I’m very disappointed that voters turned down the last school levy and now bussing, afterschool sports and several educational positions are being cut.
I also know that continuing a good school system makes my town a desirable place to live which helps keep out the undesirables.
Your right on one point they're PUBLIC schools. Which means the public should be paying for them not just people that own property. Not everyone that lives in rental property is poor. Yeah and I do feel if I'm unable to have children that I shouldn't be paying the full shot. It should be based on the number of children you decide to have. Maybe give up some of the tax incentives people get for having kids.
Oh and BTW if some punk mugger decides to pull up on me, besides the fact I'm 6'2" and 320lbs he'd be looking down the barrel of my 9. Screw barring up the windows, I can always drag him back in.
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out side san antonio city limits. 3 bd 2bth 2300 sq ft on .14 acres i pay about $3500. I bought it 2 years ago for 138K
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RPM,
All of us who drive pay fuel taxes. The thread was about PROPERTY taxes and I don't pay those. You do though. :P
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Lot rent/fees have property taxes rolled into them, I also didnt have to pay sales tax on my house.
shamus
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Don't remember the exact number, but we pay roughly $9000 for 3400 sq ft in Ft Worth. About half of that is school taxes which blows since I don't have (nor would I ever have) any kids in public schools. So everytime I experience "squeeker spelling" in-game I just sigh and figure the little tard owes me a refund. :furious
This concludes our rant. Have a nice day. :)
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wow I tought I had it bad
I have a 3BDR 2.5 bath 2 story split level thats right at 2k sq feet
I pay 2k in taxes and my insurance is.....wait for it......1150 per year.
oh and I live in rowlett texas.
I bought the house for 130k
its a great neighborhood,good schools an such
the house is 19 yrs old
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3 bedroom 2 bath single garage 1580 square feet of living space on 1 acre. $848 a year in east central Alabama. Oh my house is 2 years old and we paid $132,500 for it.
woha thats cheap! :O
I payed just over 800.000$ for mine and its abit smaller.
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woha thats cheap! :O
I payed just over 800.000$ for mine and its abit smaller.
Ouch.
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SE WI here 2 bedroom, 1 bath just a little over 900 square feet on about a 1/4 acre of land. My 2007 taxes where around 2700 dollars. Without fail they go up around 100 to 200 dollars a year and well over half goes to the schools. My house is small, I would hate to see what some of my neighbors are paying.
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wow I tought I had it bad
I have a 3BDR 2.5 bath 2 story split level thats right at 2k sq feet
I pay 2k in taxes and my insurance is.....wait for it......1150 per year.
oh and I live in rowlett texas.
I bought the house for 130k
its a great neighborhood,good schools an such
the house is 19 yrs old
My ex-wife's sister lives in Rowlette...
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True that Mav. But you get my point. They will tax you one way or the other. You're lucky you don't have Texas as a permanent address. You would pay personal property tax on your rig.
acfireguy, that looks like a nice place to me. :aok
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Thanks! The wife and I love it.
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Years ago in Kalifornia... we passed prop 13
It pretty much put a freeze on property taxes so long as you lived in the same house or.. same county.
I live in a duplex that I own both sides to. combined square footage of about 2800 feet. I pay about $1,400 a year.
If we are all paying property taxes to pay for schools then at the very minimum... we should be able to vote on vouchers. The public schools here spend about $10,000 a year per student to get a sub par (in any country but uganda) education. for half that the taxpayers could get kids enrolled in private schools where they would learn math and science and history and how to (gasp) read and write.
lazs
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True that Mav. But you get my point. They will tax you one way or the other. You're lucky you don't have Texas as a permanent address. You would pay personal property tax on your rig.
acfireguy, that looks like a nice place to me. :aok
The rig is based in Montana. No sales tax, no personal property tax at all. :D
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my house is 30x30 single floor with the attic space finished into 2 bedrooms and a full unfinished basement. the lot is 75x150. I pay about $2000 in property taxes.
that includes the municipal taxes and school taxes. About 10 years ago though the school district decided that every person that resides in the district that does not own property will start paying school taxes as well as property owners. Not sure how they figured out which ones own their homes and which ones don't since they can't even find the amount I owe without me actually delivering a copy of the bill that they mailed me or without me giving them an extra $5.00 to print a new one. but I only ever get one tax bill per year and that is on the property. By the way the property owners still carry a large portion of the tax collected for the schools. I don't remember the actual percentage that was printed but I think it was close to 75/25 split and you should have heard the renters complaining then, especially the ones with 3-4 kids in the school district.
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Uptown,
Just curious, where do you live?
south central Iowa